OT: Load management in real life work

[Kampuchea]

I lived in Cambodia with over 20 national holidays. Felt strange having all of those days off, glad to have moved back to USA and started working many more days and hours. Taking a bus into NYC instead of a 20 minute ride on my Honda air blade has been an awesome change as well.

[Ghetto Gospel]

40? Christ. My job caps us out at 20 if you're less than 10 years in.

20 vacation days, 3 floating holidays and standard sick time

'Murica!!

I worked with people from all over the world.

One German guy said: "Germans work to live, Americans live to work".

He meant it more about the rules companies follow in the USA, but clearly there was some cultural commentary in it as well.

That’s a bingo, most of the new American hires are downright afraid to take the time off, we had to start having people-ops threaten them into taking it

i'm finding new hires to be about 50/50. half of them work way too hard to try to "prove themself" and the other half are lazy as fck. it seems there's very little middle ground in the new gen.

[Stannis]

You need a hybrid setup (3 days at the office, 2 work from home) and at least a month/month a half of vacation time. I'm not much of a traveler but I take a week off every 2-3 months and have a hybrid schedule. It works for me.

I cannot do the 5 days a week, 40-50 hours at the office ever again. That was awful!

My job tried a return to office and they failed. There is no way I can ever do 5 straight days of that crap ever again.

People who love going to the office weird me out tbh. You see dudes on LinkedIn talking about the joy of the morning commute, being in the office with their coworkers, having lunch together, and after 5pm hitting the bar for happy hour.

I'm sorry, I'm not remotely anti social but I have no interest in being around coworkers more than necessary. We're all respected colleagues, and that's where it ends. Just because your home life is miserable to the point where you use the office as a refuge doesn't mean that everyone else lives that way.

lol. Those guys sound like r/LinkedInLunatics:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LinkedInLunatics/

I guess kudos to them for being passionate about their work. But if I had that kind of passion for work, I'd start my own business.

Luckily, I work with pretty anti-social IT guys.

[Stannis]

I worked with people from all over the world.

One German guy said: "Germans work to live, Americans live to work".

He meant it more about the rules companies follow in the USA, but clearly there was some cultural commentary in it as well.

That’s a bingo, most of the new American hires are downright afraid to take the time off, we had to start having people-ops threaten them into taking it

i'm finding new hires to be about 50/50. half of them work way too hard to try to "prove themself" and the other half are lazy as fck. it seems there's very little middle ground in the new gen.

We are struggling with this. Especially with remote workers. I know "silent vacationing" is a trend now. It seems like people accept the job and just see how long they can get way with doing nothing lol.

[Stannis]

I work for a uk based company, i get 40 days off a year(sick and holiday) and we're 100% remote, most of the time if i'm also able to set my own hours, as long as the work is done they dont care if it happens 9-5 or 5-1 or 1-9 w/e. Every year we're given the option of a bigger raise or extra days off or some combo of the 2

40? Christ. My job caps us out at 20 if you're less than 10 years in.

20 vacation days, 3 floating holidays and standard sick time

'Murica!!

Yeah, the vacation in the USA (at least for most people I talk to) is so BS.

15 days is fairly common if you've been with a company 3-5 years. But getting 20 days required something crazy like 10-15 years.

I've meant tourists in other countries, and they get like 8 weeks vacation time. Meanwhile, I have to think twice if I ever want to use 2 weeks consecutively and people still call/text me for shiet.

[HarthorneWingo]

That’s a bingo, most of the new American hires are downright afraid to take the time off, we had to start having people-ops threaten them into taking it

i'm finding new hires to be about 50/50. half of them work way too hard to try to "prove themself" and the other half are lazy as fck. it seems there's very little middle ground in the new gen.

We are struggling with this. Especially with remote workers. I know "silent vacationing" is a trend now. It seems like people accept the job and just see how long they can get way with doing nothing lol.

Maybe employers should treat their employees better?

[MrDollarBills]

How about a 4 day work week every other week? Just for starters. That way we can ease our way into it.

Or ... you get Fridays off if you get a certain amount of work done (quota?) each week?

Most salaried people in my industry are always "out of office" on Fridays. I would be too but I have direct reports so I have to at least have my work phone on and checking my emails just to make sure everything is alright

[MrDollarBills]

I work for a uk based company, i get 40 days off a year(sick and holiday) and we're 100% remote, most of the time if i'm also able to set my own hours, as long as the work is done they dont care if it happens 9-5 or 5-1 or 1-9 w/e. Every year we're given the option of a bigger raise or extra days off or some combo of the 2

40? Christ. My job caps us out at 20 if you're less than 10 years in.

20 vacation days, 3 floating holidays and standard sick time

'Murica!!

Yeah, the vacation in the USA (at least for most people I talk to) is so BS.

15 days is fairly common if you've been with a company 3-5 years. But getting 20 days required something crazy like 10-15 years.

I've meant tourists in other countries, and they get like 8 weeks vacation time. Meanwhile, I have to think twice if I ever want to use 2 weeks consecutively and people still call/text me for shiet.

Same. I feel your pain. Even when I'm off, someone is still gonna bug me. It is what it is, I enjoy the money and benefits so I'll eat the bowl of crap

[HarthorneWingo]

How about a 4 day work week every other week? Just for starters. That way we can ease our way into it.

Or ... you get Fridays off if you get a certain amount of work done (quota?) each week?

Most salaried people in my industry are always "out of office" on Fridays. I would be too but I have direct reports so I have to at least have my work phone on and checking my emails just to make sure everything is alright

So you can be home on Fridays so long as you’re available and checking your emails/messGes?

[Ghetto Gospel]

How about a 4 day work week every other week? Just for starters. That way we can ease our way into it.

Or ... you get Fridays off if you get a certain amount of work done (quota?) each week?

Most salaried people in my industry are always "out of office" on Fridays. I would be too but I have direct reports so I have to at least have my work phone on and checking my emails just to make sure everything is alright

yeah, i "worked from home" on fridays pre-covid when we were going to the office 5 days/week.

[Ghetto Gospel]

i'm finding new hires to be about 50/50. half of them work way too hard to try to "prove themself" and the other half are lazy as fck. it seems there's very little middle ground in the new gen.

We are struggling with this. Especially with remote workers. I know "silent vacationing" is a trend now. It seems like people accept the job and just see how long they can get way with doing nothing lol.

Maybe employers should treat their employees better?

eh, it's right when they start working and new hires/interns are always treated like kings and queens.

the needle is always moving though. just thinking about when i first started a decade ago, i remember when i first started working and just wanting a more relaxed dress code (work in business in nyc, so shirts, suits, ties and all that) then when we got that, more work from home flexibility which we got from covid, to now we have half-day fridays and i can't say i'm "satisfied".

it's always nice and fresh for the first few months or so, but then it kind of just becomes part of life and i end up wanting more. this kind of sounds like a corporate shill post but it's really not meant to be. so long as i know there are fckers over at google working 5-10 hour weeks, i will never be satiated

[Ghetto Gospel]

I work for a uk based company, i get 40 days off a year(sick and holiday) and we're 100% remote, most of the time if i'm also able to set my own hours, as long as the work is done they dont care if it happens 9-5 or 5-1 or 1-9 w/e. Every year we're given the option of a bigger raise or extra days off or some combo of the 2

40? Christ. My job caps us out at 20 if you're less than 10 years in.

20 vacation days, 3 floating holidays and standard sick time

'Murica!!

Yeah, the vacation in the USA (at least for most people I talk to) is so BS.

15 days is fairly common if you've been with a company 3-5 years. But getting 20 days required something crazy like 10-15 years.

I've meant tourists in other countries, and they get like 8 weeks vacation time. Meanwhile, I have to think twice if I ever want to use 2 weeks consecutively and people still call/text me for shiet.

being "expected" to check/answer e-mails even though you're on vacation is my biggest pet-peeve of my job currently. i hate that i can't just disconnect and forget about work on my days off

[thebuzzardman]

40? Christ. My job caps us out at 20 if you're less than 10 years in.

20 vacation days, 3 floating holidays and standard sick time

'Murica!!

Yeah, the vacation in the USA (at least for most people I talk to) is so BS.

15 days is fairly common if you've been with a company 3-5 years. But getting 20 days required something crazy like 10-15 years.

I've meant tourists in other countries, and they get like 8 weeks vacation time. Meanwhile, I have to think twice if I ever want to use 2 weeks consecutively and people still call/text me for shiet.

being "expected" to check/answer e-mails even though you're on vacation is my biggest pet-peeve of my job currently. i hate that i can't just disconnect and forget about work on my days off

Since I wasn't CIO or anything like that, I'd just say my vacation was in the backcountry, in the mountains, no cell service.

Vacation is vacation. These f*ckwits already had me working 50+ hours (minimum, trust me, often it was more) in the office (before I scammed work from home before Covid and it was a thing) and then assumed I'd be checking emails after hours, plus weekly meetings with APAC, so I'd have to be up or wake up at 3 AM to hold the meeting.

So, my vacations were always "deeply remote".

"I'm off to visit my unabomber cabin. See you in 2 weeks"

[MrDollarBills]

How about a 4 day work week every other week? Just for starters. That way we can ease our way into it.

Or ... you get Fridays off if you get a certain amount of work done (quota?) each week?

Most salaried people in my industry are always "out of office" on Fridays. I would be too but I have direct reports so I have to at least have my work phone on and checking my emails just to make sure everything is alright

So you can be home on Fridays so long as you’re available and checking your emails/messGes?

Oh yeah. I don't think I've set foot in the office on a Friday since early 2020

[thebuzzardman]

Most salaried people in my industry are always "out of office" on Fridays. I would be too but I have direct reports so I have to at least have my work phone on and checking my emails just to make sure everything is alright

So you can be home on Fridays so long as you’re available and checking your emails/messGes?

Oh yeah. I don't think I've set foot in the office on a Friday since early 2020

Even back in the mid 90's, working from home on Fridays was already a thing for a lot of companies. It seemed like some of them rolled it back in the 2000s...though I guess it depends where you worked and I bounced around a lot before a 3 month contract turned into 15 years in one location.

[MrDollarBills]

40? Christ. My job caps us out at 20 if you're less than 10 years in.

20 vacation days, 3 floating holidays and standard sick time

'Murica!!

Yeah, the vacation in the USA (at least for most people I talk to) is so BS.

15 days is fairly common if you've been with a company 3-5 years. But getting 20 days required something crazy like 10-15 years.

I've meant tourists in other countries, and they get like 8 weeks vacation time. Meanwhile, I have to think twice if I ever want to use 2 weeks consecutively and people still call/text me for shiet.

being "expected" to check/answer e-mails even though you're on vacation is my biggest pet-peeve of my job currently. i hate that i can't just disconnect and forget about work on my days off

Yeah I'm in a senior leadership role so I kinda have to stay in the loop with my team even if I don't respond right away. It absolutely does piss me off at times. Now days like today which are company holidays are cool, no one bothers me, but my vacation starts next week and I know I'm just gonna get a text from my team lead about something.

The worst is when I decided to take an edible in the morning once on a day off to start my day off right and i get a frantic call from her because something went haywire in the system. She's panicking and I'm just there like internally like



Like sis I taught you what to do in these situations already let me be lazy in peace lol

Nah but it's not too bad. When I leave the country though they're on their own, but the downside to that is coming back to an inbox full of f*ck

[MrDollarBills]

We are struggling with this. Especially with remote workers. I know "silent vacationing" is a trend now. It seems like people accept the job and just see how long they can get way with doing nothing lol.

Maybe employers should treat their employees better?

eh, it's right when they start working and new hires/interns are always treated like kings and queens.

the needle is always moving though. just thinking about when i first started a decade ago, i remember when i first started working and just wanting a more relaxed dress code (work in business in nyc, so shirts, suits, ties and all that) then when we got that, more work from home flexibility which we got from covid, to now we have half-day fridays and i can't say i'm "satisfied".

it's always nice and fresh for the first few months or so, but then it kind of just becomes part of life and i end up wanting more. this kind of sounds like a corporate shill post but it's really not meant to be. so long as i know there are fckers over at google working 5-10 hour weeks, i will never be satiated

Wait, they're working only 10 hours a week over at Google????

[Ghetto Gospel]

Maybe employers should treat their employees better?

eh, it's right when they start working and new hires/interns are always treated like kings and queens.

the needle is always moving though. just thinking about when i first started a decade ago, i remember when i first started working and just wanting a more relaxed dress code (work in business in nyc, so shirts, suits, ties and all that) then when we got that, more work from home flexibility which we got from covid, to now we have half-day fridays and i can't say i'm "satisfied".

it's always nice and fresh for the first few months or so, but then it kind of just becomes part of life and i end up wanting more. this kind of sounds like a corporate shill post but it's really not meant to be. so long as i know there are fckers over at google working 5-10 hour weeks, i will never be satiated

Wait, they're working only 10 hours a week over at Google????

that's been the stereotype for a long time: half the employees over there don't do anything all day and just pretend to work.

my younger cousin works at google and he just plays valorant for half the day

[FrozenEnvelope]

Interviewed with Google as a contractor last year and turned them down simply because they required me on-site 5x a week and on-call for emergencies afterhours and weekends on a salary so no OT.

The nerve of these companies!!

[MrDollarBills]

eh, it's right when they start working and new hires/interns are always treated like kings and queens.

the needle is always moving though. just thinking about when i first started a decade ago, i remember when i first started working and just wanting a more relaxed dress code (work in business in nyc, so shirts, suits, ties and all that) then when we got that, more work from home flexibility which we got from covid, to now we have half-day fridays and i can't say i'm "satisfied".

it's always nice and fresh for the first few months or so, but then it kind of just becomes part of life and i end up wanting more. this kind of sounds like a corporate shill post but it's really not meant to be. so long as i know there are fckers over at google working 5-10 hour weeks, i will never be satiated

Wait, they're working only 10 hours a week over at Google????

that's been the stereotype for a long time: half the employees over there don't do anything all day and just pretend to work.

my younger cousin works at google and he just plays valorant for half the day

Any time I try gaming during work I either get a call or I just can't focus enough to enjoy myself