Knicks current cap situation

[Moose]

Marci says we’ve got a cap hold on precious so we wouldn’t need to use the tax payer mle and could sign someone else for that 5.2 million. All the centers are gone so maybe there’s a forward as a super deep depth piece they could add like Saddiq Bey?

We need a center.

Precious is undersized at that position and has bad hands. I like Precious and he played well last year but we need a stronger piece behind Mr. Glass Mitch Rob.

Saddiq Bey doesn't fill a need and, more importantly, he sucks.

Tyus Jones if we need to trade McBride

[jvsimonetti0514]

Marci says we’ve got a cap hold on precious so we wouldn’t need to use the tax payer mle and could sign someone else for that 5.2 million. All the centers are gone so maybe there’s a forward as a super deep depth piece they could add like Saddiq Bey?

We need a center.

Precious is undersized at that position and has bad hands. I like Precious and he played well last year but we need a stronger piece behind Mr. Glass Mitch Rob.

Saddiq Bey doesn't fill a need and, more importantly, he sucks.

Are there any free agent bigs left? I’d obviously prefer to bring in a big but I wasn’t sure anyone was left.

[WargamesX]

Marci says we’ve got a cap hold on precious so we wouldn’t need to use the tax payer mle and could sign someone else for that 5.2 million. All the centers are gone so maybe there’s a forward as a super deep depth piece they could add like Saddiq Bey?

We have precious bird rights and I expect they sign him to something decent to create salary cap hold for matching in a future trade. We are out of picks now but that can always change in the future.

[stuporman]

So, it looks like NY will be capped at the first apron, due to being unwilling to include McBride and they can no longer sign and trade Burke. They could include Sims and maybe avoid the apron, but I'm not sure that would be enough, or sign and trade precious, but I'd almost rather keep Precious.

I think they might be able to sign a player to the Taxpayer exception, about 5 million, but not sure.

First Apron restrictions:

Teams cannot acquire a player in a sign-and-trade if that player keeps them above the apron
Teams cannot sign a player waived during the regular season whose salary was over the $12.2 million midlevel exception
Salary matching in trades must be within 110 percent, rather than 125 percent for teams not above the apron

So, a mid-season trade would be that much more difficult. Granted, they go back under next year, so it just affects this year.

If I got anything wrong, feel free to correct me. This stuff is kinda confusing.

Whoops…aged like milk...or should I say Shake...Milton that made it all work to not be hard capped.

[BrOnXKing1]

Knicks sign and trade Shake Milton and send Diabetes to the nets and it’s getting us unhard capped

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This makes more sense. For the past few days, with all this talk of being hard capped, i couldnt believe the knicks didnt think about that or made assurances with Nets that hard cap wouldnt happen

[jvsimonetti0514]

Knicks sign and trade Shake Milton and send Diabetes to the nets and it’s getting us unhard capped

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This makes more sense. For the past few days, with all this talk of being hard capped, i couldnt believe the knicks didnt think about that or made assurances with Nets that hard cap wouldnt happen

Nets fans were convinced that we’d have to give them deuce. Little did they know shake was in the rafters ready to be sign and traded.

[Jay10]

Knicks sign and trade Shake Milton and send Diabetes to the nets and it’s getting us unhard capped

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This makes more sense. For the past few days, with all this talk of being hard capped, i couldnt believe the knicks didnt think about that or made assurances with Nets that hard cap wouldnt happen

I was never in doubt of Brock Aller.

At some point people have to stop listening to reporters and just wait until the Knicks make things official.

[Luv those Knicks]

I wonder if the Nets were hoping for Burkes in the original swap, same 3 million, 1 year guaranteed deal, and in this scenario, Burkes was the hold-out. Later signing for Miami for basically the same amount. I can't say I blame him for choosing Miami over Brooklyn.

Edit . . . never mind. I got the confusing African names mixed up. I can't help it, I'm racist. This is basically nothing. It's basically the original trade and NY has a bit of money not to play with. Not a ton, but a bit.

[Luv those Knicks]

Thanks for clearing it up----as I understand it then, we don't have the ability do create a bigger salary with Precious. He made about 4.3mill. last season so at maxt we could increase to like around 6mill. right?

Any idea why we didn't bother to give Burks like a 1 year deal for 8mill. or so just to have an 8mill. expiring or so?

In conclusion, the only rumored name that may be available and is still on his rookie deal is Kessler at 2mill. Seems like the only player that salary-wise would be realistically attainable. Of course you'd still have to convince Ainge to deal him but it seems like the Jazz have cooled somewhat on him. He would make for a pretty solid 24minute backup or eventual starter. Like a white Mitch Robinson.

Is my conclusion correct that Center with salaries at 10+mill. will be unattainable for us as long as we want to keep our core together?

Same reason they didn't extend Precious the QO. That would have significantly reduced the money they could offer Hartenstein.

[Luv those Knicks]

Whoops…aged like milk...or should I say Shake...Milton that made it all work to not be hard capped.

Obviously, the Knicks are better at this than I am. That's a good thing.

We still need a center and a back-up PF.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I wonder if the Nets were hoping for Burkes in the original swap, same 3 million, 1 year guaranteed deal, and in this scenario, Burkes was the hold-out. Later signing for Miami for basically the same amount. I can't say I blame him for choosing Miami over Brooklyn.

Edit . . . never mind. I got the confusing African names mixed up. I can't help it, I'm racist. This is basically nothing. It's basically the original trade and NY has a bit of money not to play with. Not a ton, but a bit.

[Luv those Knicks]

I wonder if the Nets were hoping for Burkes in the original swap, same 3 million, 1 year guaranteed deal, and in this scenario, Burkes was the hold-out. Later signing for Miami for basically the same amount. I can't say I blame him for choosing Miami over Brooklyn.

Edit . . . never mind. I got the confusing African names mixed up. I can't help it, I'm racist. This is basically nothing. It's basically the original trade and NY has a bit of money not to play with. Not a ton, but a bit.

. . . yeah, I wasn't sure I should have gone there, but I read Mamadi Diakite and in my brain, I immediately thought Ariel Hukporti. The names are nothing alike, except, they're both hard to remember.

I'll show myself out.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I wonder if the Nets were hoping for Burkes in the original swap, same 3 million, 1 year guaranteed deal, and in this scenario, Burkes was the hold-out. Later signing for Miami for basically the same amount. I can't say I blame him for choosing Miami over Brooklyn.

Edit . . . never mind. I got the confusing African names mixed up. I can't help it, I'm racist. This is basically nothing. It's basically the original trade and NY has a bit of money not to play with. Not a ton, but a bit.

. . . yeah, I wasn't sure I should have gone there, but I read Mamadi Diakite and in my brain, I immediately thought Ariel Hukporti. The names are nothing alike, except, they're both hard to remember.

I'll show myself out.

[Richard4444]

By Sportrac, we have 173M on 12 players.

15,9M under the second apron. Also, we have 2 or 3 roster spots. TMLE (5M). And Precious Birds rights.

[Fury]

I wonder if the Nets were hoping for Burkes in the original swap, same 3 million, 1 year guaranteed deal, and in this scenario, Burkes was the hold-out. Later signing for Miami for basically the same amount. I can't say I blame him for choosing Miami over Brooklyn.

Edit . . . never mind. I got the confusing African names mixed up. I can't help it, I'm racist. This is basically nothing. It's basically the original trade and NY has a bit of money not to play with. Not a ton, but a bit.

Lol wth

[Luv those Knicks]

By Sportrac, we have 173M on 12 players.

15,9M under the second apron. Also, we have 2 or 3 roster spots. TMLE (5M). And Precious Birds rights.

The point is, they're not "capped at the first apron" though they are over it. Those are different situations.

Yes, this stuff is pretty darn confusing. The Knicks are over the first Apron, but not capped at it. This gives them more options if they explore trades or moves at the deadline.

[JayTWill]

By Sportrac, we have 173M on 12 players.

15,9M under the second apron. Also, we have 2 or 3 roster spots. TMLE (5M). And Precious Birds rights.

Do you know what the largest salary Precious could be signed to if they wanted to use him in a future trade? I assume 2 of the last roster spots could be filled for cheap if the second round picks are signed. I would want to have as many options available to improve the center rotation.

I would be keeping an eye on Orlando's situation since they have Carter, Wagner, Isaac and Goga under contract. Some of those guys are injury prone but they all get minutes at the 5 at some point. I feel like they must be planning to move one of them and signing Goga who was their 3rd string center seemed a bit odd. Goga should be available to be traded by some time in December right?

Someone like Deuce with his shooting and defense may be appealing to them or even Kolek with his more traditional point guard skills for a team lacking a true point guard.

[thebuzzardman]

By Sportrac, we have 173M on 12 players.

15,9M under the second apron. Also, we have 2 or 3 roster spots. TMLE (5M). And Precious Birds rights.

The point is, they're not "capped at the first apron" though they are over it. Those are different situations.

Yes, this stuff is pretty darn confusing. The Knicks are over the first Apron, but not capped at it. This gives them more options if they explore trades or moves at the deadline.

The main thing to think about, with these moves and any other potential trades or signings, is that the Knicks and Aller are VERY reluctant to give up the ability to maneuver, so any moves that will be made will maintain their ability to deal at the deadline and the near future.

I don't mean huge trades, just the ability to act.

I'm sure they know that as they get better and made/make the moves that get them to true championship contention, the window of moves gets smaller, but pretty sure they will not give it up. I don't think any well run team would.

So, for the Kessler speculation, IF the Knicks were to do it, they'd only do it IF it didn't tie their hands at the deadline etc.

Same for whatever they do with Precious and any other moves from here on out.

[Luv those Knicks]

The main thing to think about, with these moves and any other potential trades or signings, is that the Knicks and Aller are VERY reluctant to give up the ability to maneuver, so any moves that will be made will maintain their ability to deal at the deadline and the near future.

I don't mean huge trades, just the ability to act.

I'm sure they know that as they get better and made/make the moves that get them to true championship contention, the window of moves gets smaller, but pretty sure they will not give it up. I don't think any well run team would.

So, for the Kessler speculation, IF the Knicks were to do it, they'd only do it IF it didn't tie their hands at the deadline etc.

Same for whatever they do with Precious and any other moves from here on out.

Good post. Leon is all about flexibility. I don't know if they'll make a move before the deadline this year. In theory, they could trade Sims, Precious (if resigned), Rokas . . . even Mitch or Randle for the right return, though I think they should keep Randle. There's not a ton to work with. It's mostly not valuable pieces or pieces we depend on, but you never know.. Another trade might happen.

I really like their draft this year. Pacome is a young player to dream on. Kolek & McCuller could be rotation players/depth players fairly soon. Hukporti's timetable is harder to predict, but maybe him too. It's nice having some youth in the mix. Much better than the end of the bench we had last year. Yuck.

They still need to fix their PF & Center depth, and funds are limited. Another team could sign Precious for more money just to screw us.

No picks right now, and I don't think they can trade their 2026 pick, just the Pistons and Wizards protected picks and a collection of 2nds. I think it's better to wait and see if the Pistons/Wizards picks materialize into first rounders rather than trade them now.

[NYKinMIA]

I'd love a little clarification on this, just so know how to taunt the heatards around me properly.

are we now able to spend up to the 2nd apron?