Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[dubasilva]

Im so convinced. With hometown teams able to obliterate outsider contract offers, we've got a new playing field.

You better draft, and draft well. Funny that this wake up, slap to the face, would occur right before a very interesting 2025 draft class.

Weve got more young guys than ever. We develop players well. We have a squad of youngsters now...without that superstar/leader. Get him. Have the exact same space youd expect to have with HIM and cap space and a TEAM in 2026.

Everyone said this years draft class sucked but i think this draft class has potential to have a major impact on this organization. Next year’s draft class could be hyped then flop. We essentially got a lottery talent(Ware)and three 2nd rd picks(Larsson, Johnson, and Pullin). Just never know. Stepien rule atleast saves us from ourselves. Either way we have a pick to pay out so for me the sooner the better.

Really feel like Mia will look back and regard the draft as a missed opportunity to get Carter

San Antonio’s pick went for dirt cheap

And it wouldn’t of stopped them from still getting Ware

I agree with MettaWorlPanda.

With the new rules, it is even more clear now. You have to draft your stars.

[Wiltside]

Isaac Okoro apparently a S&T candidate.

Anything there for us?

[Decipher]

Derozan very clearly wants to be here

Sounds like Chi doesn’t want add salary so it all but kills the derozan idea

Here’s another idea, see if Beal is willing to waive his no trade clause and if so offer Rozier, Duncan, and J Rich to Phoenix for him.

If they accept, offer Herro to Brooklyn for Schroeder and Finny Smith

Schroeder
Beal
Butler
Finny Smith
Bam

Would still need more guard help but at least Mia keeps all of their young players

Nets want cap space available so no to Herro

[contract]

Isaac Okoro apparently a S&T candidate.

Anything there for us?

It's hard for me to see. We have no money or assets to speak of. If we're sending back salary, then who do we have that they'd prefer over their own guy? Also, what role would he fill here?

[Pokuokic]

Isaac Okoro apparently a S&T candidate.

Anything there for us?

It's hard for me to see. We have no money or assets to speak of. If we're sending back salary, then who do we have that they'd prefer over their own guy? Also, what role would he fill here?

Lower IQ Caleb Martin role/Highsmith, it would be another pointless move to add to Dru Smith/Bryant/Love so far.

[Bishop45]

Ingram is young enough, big enough, and scored enough points for me to want to take a gamble on him.

If Spo can help him get more efficient on offense and more focused on defense he'd become an Allstar wing in a league where big wings are priceless.

And he's the most attainable from the high caliber players out there - won't require sending out our young guys.

Our new four?

[AirP.]

I have Zero Intrest - ZERO in signing Martin for anything more then 5 Mil per year.

Guy had 1 good series and been overrated since, my god.

Always injured, totally inconsistent, funky shot, questionable IQ....YOU DON'T PAY BIG BUCKS TO THESE KIND OF PLAYERSS FFS

Big bucks? The MLE is around 13 million. The cap is skyrocketing in the next few years. If Miami could lock him up around 10-12 for 3-4 years you now can look to make other moves to upgrade the roster.

Quit looking at a single transaction when not talking about your top players, look at what it can do for your teambuilding and what flexibility it gives you.

BTW... I'd rather have Martin at 10-12 million than Highsmith at 5-8.

Hell no! Highsmith at 5m-8m per is a better contract. Both of them are worth contracts in that $5m-$8m range.

I don't think Martin and Highsmith should be worth anywhere around the same amount of money, neither big money but not near the same amount. Miami seemed to think the same thing since even during a year Martin was injured, he played 27 minutes a night to Highsmith's 20 and I'm pretty sure we can all agree Martin's offensive potential is much higher than Highsmith's.

[wade44]

We can’t get a first for Herro but give a first for Rozier on a 3 year deal.

Rozier trade also came with 15 million worth of luxury tax savings. For Micky that was well worth the first that also brought a much younger starting PG. All trade scenarios are somewhat different. We gave up the corpse of Lowry and his expiring for this deal. I don’t see many teams with an old man expiring and first for Herro. Jordan Poole was dumped for Paul while GS had to send out a 1st and 2nd.

Damn that is wild we gave them massive cap relief and a 1st for a multi year deal that is somewhat questionable but apparently we can’t with a 24 year old Tyler. Thats literally like the pistons trading us THJ and a 1st for Herro

Actually it was the Warriors attaching a protected first with Poole to trade for Paul. Wizards are a brain dead franchise but not to that degree

[twix2500]

Rozier trade also came with 15 million worth of luxury tax savings. For Micky that was well worth the first that also brought a much younger starting PG. All trade scenarios are somewhat different. We gave up the corpse of Lowry and his expiring for this deal. I don’t see many teams with an old man expiring and first for Herro. Jordan Poole was dumped for Paul while GS had to send out a 1st and 2nd.

Damn that is wild we gave them massive cap relief and a 1st for a multi year deal that is somewhat questionable but apparently we can’t with a 24 year old Tyler. Thats literally like the pistons trading us THJ and a 1st for Herro

Actually it was the Warriors attaching a protected first with Poole to trade for Paul. Wizards are a brain dead franchise but not to that degree

Amazing watching 3Hammy do a 180. Now acting like he wasn't the number 1 band leader for the Heat trading for Rozier

[wade44]

In this new apron nba landscape, teams that are straddled with albatross contracts (Herro) or just completely undesirable (Duncan) just have to suck it up. The new rules are basically a soft core version of the hardcap which is why you’re seeing one dimensional players like Buddy hield getting paid drastically less

[Rapaz]

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Y’all gonna fall for this chit again?

Your front office is

[SoFlaKingReal]

For his own sake, Barry honestly just needs to STFU at this point. We're all losing it over the Heat's current direction, but this guy is a professional reporter/journalist, not some fanboy on the internet.

[Kobewade11]

In this new apron nba landscape, teams that are straddled with albatross contracts (Herro) or just completely undesirable (Duncan) just have to suck it up. The new rules are basically a soft core version of the hardcap which is why you’re seeing one dimensional players like Buddy hield getting paid drastically less

I don't think Herro is viewed as an albatross contract. A lot of ppl like to trash him every chance they get but the reality is he's too good of a player to simply dump the way some fans want to, and if you're looking to acquire that impact player on a larger deal he has the contract to help make the math work. Regarding Duncan, if they had more picks they could shed him. Hell there's probably a trade they could make right now that involve taking a player back with similar money its probably a matter if they have the appetite to do that vs. waiting on something else to materialize.

[HeatIn5]

In this new apron nba landscape, teams that are straddled with albatross contracts (Herro) or just completely undesirable (Duncan) just have to suck it up. The new rules are basically a soft core version of the hardcap which is why you’re seeing one dimensional players like Buddy hield getting paid drastically less

I don't think Herro is viewed as an albatross contract. A lot of ppl like to trash him every chance they get but the reality is he's too good of a player to simply dump the way some fans want to, and if you're looking to acquire that impact player on a larger deal he has the contract to help make the math work. Regarding Duncan, if they had more picks they could shed him. Hell there's probably a trade they could make right now that involve taking a player back with similar money its probably a matter if they have the appetite to do that vs. waiting on something else to materialize.

Why would we do that with Duncan? Why not just keep and let him eventually expire if he’s gonna be negative asset. He doesn’t hurt our 26-27 plan. That’s the goal

[MettaWorldPanda]

Derozan very clearly wants to be here

Sounds like Chi doesn’t want add salary so it all but kills the derozan idea

Here’s another idea, see if Beal is willing to waive his no trade clause and if so offer Rozier, Duncan, and J Rich to Phoenix for him.

If they accept, offer Herro to Brooklyn for Schroeder and Finny Smith

Schroeder
Beal
Butler
Finny Smith
Bam

Would still need more guard help but at least Mia keeps all of their young players

Nets want cap space available so no to Herro

They also really like Cam Thomas who does the same things as Herro for basically nothing.

[Kobewade11]

Why would we do that with Duncan? Why not just keep and let him eventually expire if he’s gonna be negative asset. He doesn’t hurt our 26-27 plan. That’s the goal

What I meant to say is there are players on expiring deals this year (similar $) they could potentially pursue in place of Duncan (Tim Hardaway Jr., Marcus Smart) that don't compromise future cap space.

[twix2500]

The fact of the matter the Heat do not want to shed Herro and Duncan. The Heat didn't want to shed Martin. All this talk is fanbase theories

[twix2500]

In few years you will see the league expand. A larger pool of players are getting developed, other leagues are prospering and the NBA wants to take from that. Players are playing to an older age increases the pool

[MettaWorldPanda]

The fair deal for trading Herro should be exactly what we traded for Rozier. An expiring, salary relief, and a 1st rd pick. If we can’t get at least that for Herro or swap him out for LaVine than we are going to have to run it back and rehabilitate his value like we did to a certain degree with Duncan. Detroit really should be all over that deal of Tim Hardaway Jr and something along the lines of 2026 protected that forwards to unprotected in 2027. Either way the deal gives us major salary relief, a vet two guard who comes with feel good nostalgia from his old man, and the pick saves our ass in many ways and opens up many more trade options.

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