Happy Final Independence Day

[G_K_F]

And yet somehow this Supreme Court ruling won’t be a problem if a Democrat wins office, right? Just a Republican.

This is why I don’t get involved in politics. People are so caught up in their team and have this narrow ass minded point of view that’s outside of reality.

Yeah, President Alzheimer’s is going to save democracy from big bad orange guy! There is absolutely no chance we’ll see corruption again after November if Biden wins. No politician has been corrupt and abused power before or after this ruling!

Don’t need to respond back because I don’t care to argue about this my team is better yours political crap and I won’t. I have nothing else to add to this.

Happy Independence Day! God Bless America!

The supreme court ruling is a problem if a crook gets into office, because it gives the crook too big an invitation to break the law.

I don't care what side of the political fence you're on, Trump is a crook. This is well established. If a Democrat crook (and they do exist) - Menendez in NJ, Rod Blagojevich, an evil clone of Bill Clinton. How would you feel then?

Biden, dislike him as much as you want, but there's no evidence that he's a crook, but this supreme court ruling will go on past Biden. Imagine if a black lives matter president gets in office - and they had cart blanch to do all kinds of questionable things, and prosecuting them for abuse of power would be nearly impossible. How would you feel then? That's the door the supreme court opened.

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Now, I've not read up on this a whole lot. I've read up on it a little bit, and listened to some people who are smarter than me, and this isn't full blown dictatorship, but it is half way there.

Take what happened with the voting machine claims. Trump (or any president) can claim it's their presidential duty to ensure safe and fair elections, but what does that mean? Does it give the president the power to delay the results of an election until their satisfied? Where does presidential duty end? This is a scary ruling, and not just Trump. ANY ELECTED PRESIDENT can do this.

Now, if they have an attorney - lets call this attorney Rudy, and lets say that Rudy makes some accusations that put people's lives in danger. Attorney Rudy doesn't have presidential immunity. This person could face civil and criminal prosecution. They could still lose their license to practice law, and a pardon will only cover some of that.

Presumably, no president ever will be stupid enough to call a state attorney general and ask them to "find 11,000 votes", but presidents can call state attorney generals, ask for illegal ****, say it's "I just want to ensure free and fair elections" and say it's covered by presidential immunity. Imagine if the state attorney general is corrupt.

With this ruling, a president could literally send out a flyer to every millionaire in the country that says "Pardons for sale - bidding starts at 2 million", and Pardons, a presidential power, would be protected from any kind of prosecution. Rod Blagojevich would LOVE that.

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Now, lets look at why the 6 conservative justices made this ruling? One reason that's been floated out there, is that they wanted to protect Trump from prosecution prior to the election, so if he wins in 2024, he's safe. They love Trump that much.

Now, any charge against Trump can be challenged on the basis of "Presidential duties, so he's immune" - I don't know how that would apply to Hush money payments before he was elected. Or his crooked real estate finances, which were done before he was president. I suspect it shouldn't, but Trump's going to try to challenge those rulings. The supreme court gave Trump a get out of jail free pass, at least, for a while, until this can be sorted out.

To me, that's even scarier. That this might not have been a rule of law, but a rule based entirely on favoritism. Two of the supreme court justices have direct family ties to January 6th. One has taken a HUGE amount of bribes and payments. Their ruling on abortion was based on an arcane, 300 year old law, and very strange, and this one shows blatant favoritism. The fact that they waited until the last possible minute to reach this ruling is evidence of that.

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There are valid reasons to be concerned. These are scary times. And if you don't think that's the case, just remember, this immunity will exist long after Trump is gone. This could be a real problem. American politics is built on checks and balances, and we can see now, the supreme court has no checks and balances, outside of impeachment, which only happened once. It's very rare, and is impossible to succeed in our current 2 party system and now the president has increased power to commit crimes. This isn't good.

You can write a diatribe but, again, it’s coming from an alternative reality. You’re a hardcore liberal unable to see anything else.

Sorry, the Trump derangement syndrome with some is too much to handle.

Biden is not a crook? Lol. Let’s ask Hunter about the money he’s been receding from foreign countries for ‘the big guy’. And that’s just a sample of what we know about.

Every politician is a crook. I just want the one who’s going to get the country on the right path.

I don’t need the sky is falling Democrats to come in here and act like the world is ending because Trump will be president. None of that is in good faith. It’s BS blue rhetoric. I don’t listen to it because it’s so over the top it might as well be on a comedy show.

Joe Biden is a horrible president for a multitude of reasons besides his age - economy is in shambles, wasting hundreds of billions on 2 wars, high crime in all major U.S. cities, thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens flooding the border and destabilizing the country. Come to New York City and take a look at what a third would county we’ve become over the last 5 years between DeBlassio and Adams and illegal aliens.

I need someone who’s going to come in with some common sense. Every single politician is a crook. They make millions of dollars while we sit and struggle in the mud. They throw us a penny while we ask for a dollar. I’ll just take the guy who will get me more money and security with the idea that every single politician is a conman or conwoman.

I’m not here to argue Democratic talking points. Talk can argue till you’re blue in the face. I don’t think Trump is a ‘threat to democracy’ but I’m also not voting for him.

[Luv those Knicks]

You can write a diatribe but, again, it’s coming from an alternative reality. You’re a hardcore liberal unable to see anything else.

Sorry, the Trump derangement syndrome with some is too much to handle.

So, you would be fine with it, if a liberal president used presidential immunity to break all kinds of laws?

Because, if you read my post, and I suggest you read it again, I pointed out the flaws in this decision and I'm very far from the only person to do that.

Your response was to attack me, rather than respond to what I wrote.

If you're going to reply to people, I urge you to reply to what they wrote and not just attack ad-homonym. I think that will work better for you. You'll have to think about things more and people will respect you more.

Biden is not a crook? Lol. Let’s ask Hunter about the money he’s been receding from foreign countries for ‘the big guy’. And that’s just a sample of what we know about.

If Biden was a crook, the republican congress would have found something on him. Because they sure as hell looked.

and Trumps kids made hundreds of times what Hunter made. Even if Hunter got money dishonestly, that's not Joe's fault.

Every politician is a crook. I just want the one who’s going to get the country on the right path.

There are levels. Biden was one of the few in the senate who didn't take advantage of stocks and insider trading. He invested in real estate. His record is more honest than most.

I don’t need the sky is falling Democrats to come in here and act like the world is ending because Trump will be president. None of that is in good faith. It’s BS blue rhetoric. I don’t listen to it because it’s so over the top it might as well be on a comedy show.

We're scared. Sometimes we talk about it. If that bothers you, I don't know what to say. You could try to ignore it, or you could post replies like you're doing. But these aren't small things we're talking about. They're big things.

And you do listen to it. You can't respond without first listening.

Joe Biden is a horrible president for a multitude of reasons besides his age - economy is in shambles, wasting hundreds of billions on 2 wars, high crime in all major U.S. cities, thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens flooding the border and destabilizing the country. Come to New York City and take a look at what a third would county we’ve become over the last 5 years between DeBlassio and Adams and illegal aliens.

The economy is in good shape. Inflation has a lot to do with corporations and not as much to do with BIden as you think.

What wars did Biden waste money on? The US is spending less on war than any president since . . . maybe Carter. A long time.

Biden has also addressed illegal immigration by executive order, after the REPUBLICAN congress failed to act on it - He was ready to sign a bill that had bipartisan support, that Trump urged his party to reject because Trump wanted the increase in immigration to continue with Biden in office.

I get that you disagree with liberals, but you're also wrong about far too much. If I was wrong about as many things as you are, I'd spend more time reading and less time posting.

I need someone who’s going to come in with some common sense. Every single politician is a crook. They make millions of dollars while we sit and struggle in the mud. They throw us a penny while we ask for a dollar. I’ll just take the guy who will get me more money and security with the idea that every single politician is a conman or conwoman.

I’m not here to argue Democratic talking points. Talk can argue till you’re blue in the face. I don’t think Trump is a ‘threat to democracy’ but I’m also not voting for him.

Out of curiosity, name a few politicians that you have liked and would consider voting for.

Just throwing generalities that "They're all crooks" is basically saying nothing. It's just about you. Say who you like. Name one politician you could get behind and try to keep it modern. Don't say George Washington because that's too easy and it fails to answer the question. The world was different 240 years ago. Name a politician in today's complex world that you feel you can get behind. If you don't have some kind of answer, then everything you're writing is little more than noise.

[G_K_F]

You can write a diatribe but, again, it’s coming from an alternative reality. You’re a hardcore liberal unable to see anything else.

Sorry, the Trump derangement syndrome with some is too much to handle.

So, you would be fine with it, if a liberal president used presidential immunity to break all kinds of laws?

Because, if you read my post, and I suggest you read it again, I pointed out the flaws in this decision and I'm very far from the only person to do that.

Your response was to attack me, rather than respond to what I wrote.

If you're going to reply to people, I urge you to reply to what they wrote and not just attack ad-homonym. I think that will work better for you. You'll have to think about things more and people will respect you more.

Biden is not a crook? Lol. Let’s ask Hunter about the money he’s been receding from foreign countries for ‘the big guy’. And that’s just a sample of what we know about.

If Biden was a crook, the republican congress would have found something on him. Because they sure as hell looked.

and Trumps kids made hundreds of times what Hunter made. Even if Hunter got money dishonestly, that's not Joe's fault.

Every politician is a crook. I just want the one who’s going to get the country on the right path.

There are levels. Biden was one of the few in the senate who didn't take advantage of stocks and insider trading. He invested in real estate. His record is more honest than most.

I don’t need the sky is falling Democrats to come in here and act like the world is ending because Trump will be president. None of that is in good faith. It’s BS blue rhetoric. I don’t listen to it because it’s so over the top it might as well be on a comedy show.

We're scared. Sometimes we talk about it. If that bothers you, I don't know what to say. You could try to ignore it, or you could post replies like you're doing. But these aren't small things we're talking about. They're big things.

And you do listen to it. You can't respond without first listening.

Joe Biden is a horrible president for a multitude of reasons besides his age - economy is in shambles, wasting hundreds of billions on 2 wars, high crime in all major U.S. cities, thousands upon thousands of illegal aliens flooding the border and destabilizing the country. Come to New York City and take a look at what a third would county we’ve become over the last 5 years between DeBlassio and Adams and illegal aliens.

The economy is in good shape. Inflation has a lot to do with corporations and not as much to do with BIden as you think.

What wars did Biden waste money on? The US is spending less on war than any president since . . . maybe Carter. A long time.

Biden has also addressed illegal immigration by executive order, after the REPUBLICAN congress failed to act on it - He was ready to sign a bill that had bipartisan support, that Trump urged his party to reject because Trump wanted the increase in immigration to continue with Biden in office.

I get that you disagree with liberals, but you're also wrong about far too much. If I was wrong about as many things as you are, I'd spend more time reading and less time posting.

I need someone who’s going to come in with some common sense. Every single politician is a crook. They make millions of dollars while we sit and struggle in the mud. They throw us a penny while we ask for a dollar. I’ll just take the guy who will get me more money and security with the idea that every single politician is a conman or conwoman.

I’m not here to argue Democratic talking points. Talk can argue till you’re blue in the face. I don’t think Trump is a ‘threat to democracy’ but I’m also not voting for him.

Out of curiosity, name a few politicians that you have liked and would consider voting for.

Just throwing generalities that "They're all crooks" is basically saying nothing. It's just about you. Say who you like. Name one politician you could get behind and try to keep it modern. Don't say George Washington because that's too easy and it fails to answer the question. The world was different 240 years ago. Name a politician in today's complex world that you feel you can get behind. If you don't have some kind of answer, then everything you're writing is little more than noise.

Why is it that you have an excuse for every single thing listed? It’s actually amazing that you feel you can excuse everything away as it being someone else’s fault or it actually great and not horrible (economy/inflation/gas prices). So Joe Biden and the Democrats are doing everything right and everyone else is wrong? Do you understand how ridiculously silly you sound with your partisanship.

I talk down to people like you because there’s no point in debating you. You already have your thoughts made up because you’ve been thinking that way your entire life. You vote blue down the line. You’ll vote a literal zombie blue because he’s a Democrat. I don’t like extremists like you. Same would go for a Republican. There’s no reasoning with anyone like that, which is why I’d rather say my piece and go, as I said I would.

But for the record - Joe Biden did jack **** on the border until this hill this year when things had gotten so out of control that it couldn’t be ignored any longer. The idea that Joe Biden was tough on border security and only stopped by the Republicans has to be the single biggest joke told on RealGM in a long time. I may be wrong on a few things - or I may rant needlessly - but I’m not going to sit here and argue with someone who thinks Joe Biden has been the torchbearer for border security.

And btw - what wars? How much money have Ukraine received from us? Israel? No wars? How did the Afghanistan withdrawal go? I’m sure there’s excuses and positive spin for everything here. Joe Biden does everything well. The Democrats do it all well. I know the story already. Which is why I don’t have discussions with people so deeply dug into their partisanship. It’s literally yelling at a brick wall. So I’m not addressing anything else you said because it’s not worth my time. Or even yours. No reason for us to continue this. I know I won’t anyway. Later.

[Luv those Knicks]

Why is it that you have an excuse for every single thing listed? It’s actually amazing that you feel you can excuse everything away as it being someone else’s fault or it actually great and not horrible (economy/inflation/gas prices). So Joe Biden and the Democrats are doing everything right and everyone else is wrong? Do you understand how ridiculously silly you sound with your partisanship.

OK, well, for one, I NEVER EVER EVER even implied, much less said that Biden and the Democrats are doing everything right? Why are you unable to respond to what I say and not just make things up?

As for "an excuse about everything", it seems that you honestly don't know the difference between a counterpoint or a correction and an excuse. It's as if the only answer you'll accept is "you're right" and anything that disagrees with your world view is "an excuse" - that's not how conversation works.

I talk down to people like you because there’s no point in debating you.

That's the difference between us. I talk with respect and I make valid points. You respond by insulting me.

You already have your thoughts made up because you’ve been thinking that way your entire life. You vote blue down the line. You’ll vote a literal zombie blue because he’s a Democrat. I don’t like extremists like you. Same would go for a Republican. There’s no reasoning with anyone like that, which is why I’d rather say my piece and go, as I said I would.

Most people have their minds already made up. The question worth asking, is, when you hear something new, do you reject it out of hand or do you investigate it. I try to investigate.

I feel I should point out that you've presented no new information. Just saying "all politicians are crooks" is effectively saying nothing intelligent.

But for the record - Joe Biden did jack **** on the border until this hill this year when things had gotten so out of control that it couldn’t be ignored any longer. The idea that Joe Biden was tough on border security and only stopped by the Republicans has to be the single biggest joke told on RealGM in a long time. I may be wrong on a few things - or I may rant needlessly - but I’m not going to sit here and argue with someone who thinks Joe Biden has been the torchbearer for border security.

Yes, because laws and funding are written in congress. When congress failed to act, he took action.

And btw - what wars? How much money have Ukraine received from us? Israel? No wars? How did the Afghanistan withdrawal go? I’m sure there’s excuses and positive spin for everything here. Joe Biden does everything well. The Democrats do it all well. I know the story already. Which is why I don’t have discussions with people so deeply dug into their partisanship. It’s literally yelling at a brick wall. So I’m not addressing anything else you said because it’s not worth my time. Or even yours. No reason for us to continue this. I know I won’t anyway. Later.

US Spending on recent wars:


Ukraine: 113 billion
Afganistaion: 2.26 trillion
Iraq: 757 billion.

and US support to Israel has not been increased as a result of this war and it's less than 4 billion a year.

That's is all due to a quick google search. Feel free top do your own. But I didn't even have to look it up these numbers to know that the Ukraine war support is far far cheaper than the two wars we recently got out of and US support for Israel is more more ceremonial than it's really making a difference to them. 99% of Israel's military budget is provided by Israel.

I get that you hate democrats and liberals.

What you don't seem to get, is that I'm trying to have a conversation with you.

I'll ask you again. What politicians do you support? Just dropping insults and incorrect statements isn't doing anything for anybody, including yourself. Maybe you're afraid to find out that you're not as smart as you think you are.

[Adelheid]

With biden's condition, it is almost apparent that he does not have any control on all the offices in his regime. Scary situation when you think about it. I could not see him winning the reelection unless a miracle happens

methinks only way the dems beat trump is by putting michelle in the race

[Polk377]

Just want to wish everyone a possible Final Independence Day as our democratic institutions crumble to the ground.

Please vote come this November if you want Wingo to stay in the U.S.

Maybe we can start our own community somewhere?

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Still overly dramatic I see. Never change Wingo.

[Polk377]

Last year of Democracy? Please. The drama queens come out every election cycle with their doom and gloom and yet life continues on in the good US of A.

You want to talk Democracy? How about the senile old man some of you propped up for years showing the world every bit of a geriatric, dementia riddled, deer in the headlight, idiot we knew he was to the nation on a grand stage. So much so that the DNC is scrambling to replace him kicking and screaming with an unjust fill in that the people never had the opportunity to put their vote for because this buffon ran unopposed in the primaries . There is your loss of democratic freedom you should be complaining about.

I told you for years your lives would be worse with bumbling Biden as President and you keep doubling down like the ship isn't sinking to the bottom of the ocean with your precious pandering party leading the way.

Yes get to the voting booths, do the right thing. Vote for the guy who actually gives a damn about this country and will fix this hell hole of a mess these morons have made over the last 4 years. There is only one right answer. T-R-U-M-P!

[thebuzzardman]

And yet somehow this Supreme Court ruling won’t be a problem if a Democrat wins office, right? Just a Republican.

This is why I don’t get involved in politics. People are so caught up in their team and have this narrow ass minded point of view that’s outside of reality.

Yeah, President Alzheimer’s is going to save democracy from big bad orange guy! There is absolutely no chance we’ll see corruption again after November if Biden wins. No politician has been corrupt and abused power before or after this ruling!

Don’t need to respond back because I don’t care to argue about this my team is better yours political crap and I won’t. I have nothing else to add to this.

Happy Independence Day! God Bless America!

Oh no. You don’t get walk into a room, take a big dump in the middle of it and just walk away. I have a couple of points to make in response.

And yet somehow this Supreme Court ruling won’t be a problem if a Democrat wins office, right? Just a Republican.

Have you been living under a rock? Democrats are livid over this decision as well as the decision overturning 50 years of precedent when it overturned the Chevron doctrine. Do you know what the Chevron is, or was?

The decision on immunity in Trump’s case is exactly what I’m so upset about. Biden immediately came out with a statement saying that he would hold him to a higher standard. Your statement about how Democrats like this is just plain ignorant.

This is why I don’t get involved in politics. People are so caught up in their team and have this narrow ass minded point of view that’s outside of reality.

Then why did you chime in? Does everyone have to have the same POV as you?

I happen to agree with the following:

However, as former president Barack Obama once reminded us: “Loving your country shouldn't just mean watching fireworks on the Fourth of July. Loving your country must mean accepting your responsibility to do your part to change it. If you do, your life will be richer, our country will be stronger.”

Happy 4th!

Sorry, you’re too wrapped up in your blue cocoon to ever see reality. The idea that you think you’re rooting for the “good guys” and the other people are “bad guys” is just so ridiculous and laughable to me. It’s cultist behavior from people who like to talk about Trump cults.

Both Dems and Republicans are cult like followings with weirdos who idolize politicians like they care for them.

If all was fair RFK would’ve been on that debate stage last week but both parties don’t want him taking the shine away from their candidates.

RFK is a sad, weird lunatic, propped up by one party, to try and siphon off some weird votes from the other party.

It would be nice if he had something good to say, but he's weirder than Jill Stein.

[thebuzzardman]

Last year of Democracy? Please. The drama queens come out every election cycle with their doom and gloom and yet life continues on in the good US of A.

You want to talk Democracy? How about the senile old man some of you propped up for years showing the world every bit of a geriatric, dementia riddled, deer in the headlight, idiot we knew he was to the nation on a grand stage. So much so that the DNC is scrambling to replace him kicking and screaming with an unjust fill in that the people never had the opportunity to put their vote for because this buffon ran unopposed in the primaries . There is your loss of democratic freedom you should be complaining about.

I told you for years your lives would be worse with bumbling Biden as President and you keep doubling down like the ship isn't sinking to the bottom of the ocean with your precious pandering party leading the way.

Yes get to the voting booths, do the right thing. Vote for the guy who actually gives a damn about this country and will fix this hell hole of a mess these morons have made over the last 4 years. There is only one right answer. T-R-U-M-P!

If you think one person affects the economy so easily and quickly, then we might as well get rid of presidents and go with a monarchy, as that's way more effective.

More cult of personality BS, and people did it with Obama as well.

[thebuzzardman]

He's on Fire and Polk. Tell everyone they are in their echo chamber. They are hermetically sealed in their echo chamber. Whatever. The country is hopelessly divided. I can't believed I served to defend this utter sh*t show and peoples ret*rded opinions, left and right. Wish I could go back in time and not do it.

[Kampuchea]

Hope you had a good holiday.

[NowWHYcee7]

Just want to laugh at democrats before the thread lock. HAHAHA.

[WargamesX]

Just want to laugh at democrats before the thread lock. HAHAHA.

Things are rocky now but I am sure we’ll get our stuff together in time to save America from electing the convicted felon.

[robillionaire]

I was doing a detox from the internet yesterday but hey thanks wingo. Definitely a bittersweet holiday now that presidents have the right of kings and the looming threat, I’m glad I’m recognized Italian now and my family have EU passports. Saw it all coming a couple years ago and put the work in to make it happen. All that considered I was able to take my mind off it and enjoy the day

[Stannis]

If all was fair RFK would’ve been on that debate stage last week but both parties don’t want him taking the shine away from their candidates.

lol. He's another warmonger + Israel lapdog.

He literally has the same policies except he's anti-vax.

Get real.

[Stannis]

Wish I could go back in time and not do it.

Sorry to hear that.

Not sure where you serviced. But thank you for your service either way. My family and I greatly appreciated US soldiers during the Yugoslav/Kosovo War.

I can at least speak for myself and probably Hawthrone here.

[The Lamma]

There is no way in hell that anyone can convince me that these two men vying for office are the two best, most competent people to "lead" our nation. It's an absolute joke and a fcking disgrace. At the very least, both candidates should be not just intelligent, but supremely so. It should be the bare minimum. We're not even remotely close with these two.

About a decade ago, I read "The Wisdom of John Adams," written by our second president. The man was profound, intelligent, empathetic, and philosophical. And this is what our leader should be, someone who embodies all the best human traits. Where we are now? I can't even comprehend how this happens.

There must be a sht ton going on behind the scenes that I can't even fathom. In some way, all this must benefit those behind the curtains, for whatever their reasons are. This is the part that frustrates me the most. Because we'll never know just how much wool is being pulled over our eyes. It sure as fck doesn't make sense on the surface. These are not the best men we have.

[MrDollarBills]

This thread is gonna get locked but I'd like to say the following:

I hope you all enjoyed your holiday. Regardless of your political leanings, I hope you are happy, healthy, and safe in this country we call our home. Emphasis on the word "our". This is OUR home, we need to live together and ensure we keep this place running as a free and fair democratic republic. Please remember this.

Donald Trump is convicted felon, court certified rapist, an insurrectionist who tried to overthrow the government, currently has double digit felony charges pending for stealing government documents, and is a pedophile that raped little girls with his friend Jeff Epstein.

The other guy is old, enacted policies that have kept the US economy afloat while the rest of the world lags behind, isn't a criminal, is sane, and isn't threatening to rip apart the constitution and openly calling for military tribunals against his political rivals. He also forgave my student loans.

Vote your conscience. Or lack thereof.

[Buttah304]

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[MrDollarBills]

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