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Post#421 » by Chuck Everett » Sat Jul 6, 2024 5:38 pm

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It really wouldn't shock me to see Gobert play his final years in the NBA backing up Victor. They play so well together.


How is anyone going to score in the paint against Gobert/Wemby in FIBA without the defensive second rule + the ability to knock the ball off the rim.

I'm saying that while ignoring the offensive potential just shown in those highlights too lol


I had never seen them play together before this summer. The big to big passing is just hilarious because they're both giants. I know Rudy mentors him since Victor was like 15, but their chemistry is obviously through years of working out together. As long as both guys are playing (Euros, World Cup, Olympics), that team will be tough to beat. You need size and shooting for sure.
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Post#423 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 5:53 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Greece should be one of the favorites, their achilles heal is shooting. Seeing Giannis, Papagiannis, Walkup and Calathes is some blast from the past lineup. It can come down to Calathes shooting, as everyone decides to gamble on him, and he always takes those shots. Killed Monaco just like that. But Greece seem to have another bad shooter at all times, so opponents can switch on who they sag off. A bit tricky situation for Spanoulis to handle, is there a single very good shooter on that team


Toliopoulos and Larentzakis are the best shooters on the team, and are quite good shooters overall, and they can do catch and shoot as well, although that's the one thing that they are not that good at. For example, they are not really competent at running Spanoulis action. But very few shooters are. Tyle Dorsey for example sucks at it. Greece hasn't had anyone that can run it properly since Spanoulis. It would be nice if they did, since they have the coach that can set it up to perfection.

Charalampopolous and Papagiannis are quite good spot shooters, but they usually need to be at least somewhat open and set. Papanikolaou is also, but he's kind of a wildcard, because he's super streaky and inconsistent. He can go 2 weeks without barely making an open shot, or he can go 2 weeks where he hits like 45 to 50 percent on open threes.

Mitoglou isn't really a good long distance shooter, but he does have very deep range, and he can potentially be a big mismatch problem as a stretch five, if he hits a few threes in a game, which he can do.

Then there are Giannis, Kostas A., Kalaitzakis, Walkup, Calathes, Moraitis...and yeah, they are all pretty much absolutely horrible outside shooters. Although Kalaitzakis in theory should be a capable shooter, because he used to be a sharp shooter when he was younger, believe it or not. But these days, he's horrible. At least with Calathes and Walkup, they do occasionally, hit like 4 threes in a game. But every team always leaves them wide open and dares them to shoot. With Calathes, he never doesn't shoot, even if he's 0 for 10 from three, he will keep jacking it, falling into the defense's trap of leaving him wide open and daring him to shoot.

Walkup on the other hand is very quick to not shoot if he isn't making threes in a game. Not uncommon for him to not even take a shot in a whole game. So he won't shoot you out of a game like Calathes will. But it's a catch 22 situation between them, because while Calathes will shoot you into a loss, on the other hand, if you get real lucky and his shot is falling that day, the opponent will leave him wide open and he will keep getting easy shots and make them, and you can win the game that way.

The problem is that on average, Walkup maybe has a good shooting game in like 3 out of 10 games. While Calathes does so in maybe like 1 out of 10 games. And if we look at Calathes' record with the national team at it, it's just horrific. He's literally been the absolute 100% cause of numerous Greece losses in elimination games, and he absolutely cost them a gold medal in 2015 (along with the idiot coach Katsikaris). On the bright side, he's overdue for his 1 out of 10 good shooting games, and maybe Greece will get lucky with that this time, instead of him again shooting the team into a loss at the elimination rounds.

If we had to make a list of the worst shooting main rotation point guards in EuroLeague, Calathes is probably the worst and Walkup is maybe the 2nd or 3rd worst, along with Campazzo.
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Post#424 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 6:00 pm

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Nebo is Euroleague star and you can see why he is there in this game, hes their best player. Tobey always was just a scrub.


EuroLeague "star" is a bit of a stretch for Nebo's level. Although he was a lot better this season. Still has a way to go for the "star" label. But yeah, he's way better than Tobey is. Tobey is basically a 3rd string center for EuroLeague.

However with that being said, Tobey is a lot better fit with Luka on offense than Nebo is. Tobey is the perfect type of center to pair offensively with Luka. Nebo...not so much.
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Post#425 » by UcanUwill » Sat Jul 6, 2024 6:11 pm

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durden_tyler wrote:Why was Tobey replaced as a naturalized player for Slovenia? Old age?


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Nebo is Euroleague star and you can see why he is there in this game, hes their best player. Tobey always was just a scrub.


EuroLeague "star" is a bit of a stretch for Nebo's level. Although he was a lot better this season. Still has a way to go for the "star" label. But yeah, he's way better than Tobey is. Tobey is basically a 3rd string center for EuroLeague.

However with that being said, Tobey is a lot better fit with Luka on offense than Nebo is. Tobey is the perfect type of center to pair offensively with Luka. Nebo...not so much.


We have long history debating who is star, doninant etc. I will ho into this again, but IMO, Nebo is one of the best centers in Euroleague today, also probably most athletic player, so to me - he is a star. Too expensive for any bottom half team, and would play solid minutes on basically any contender, guy is a star.

Tobey always was barely Euroleague caliber player, maybe he is decent, just never hot to show it outside of Slovenian team, but currently career vise, Nebo is far far ahead.
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Post#426 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 6:14 pm

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Nebo is Euroleague star and you can see why he is there in this game, hes their best player. Tobey always was just a scrub.


EuroLeague "star" is a bit of a stretch for Nebo's level. Although he was a lot better this season. Still has a way to go for the "star" label. But yeah, he's way better than Tobey is. Tobey is basically a 3rd string center for EuroLeague.

However with that being said, Tobey is a lot better fit with Luka on offense than Nebo is. Tobey is the perfect type of center to pair offensively with Luka. Nebo...not so much.


We have long history debating who is star, doninant etc. I will ho into this again, but IMO, Nebo is one of the best centers in Euroleague today, also probably most athletic player, so to me - he is a star. Too expensive for any bottom half team, and would play solid minutes on basically any contender, guy is a star.

Tobey always was barely Euroleague caliber player, maybe he is decent, just never hot to show it outside of Slovenian team, but currently career vise, Nebo is far far ahead.


You have to be at least a very key and important player on a big team to be a "star" in EuroLeague. Nebo is nearing to that in this last season, but he's still not quite there yet. Maybe he gets this next season.

Tobey is basically like a 12th-13th man for EuroLeague.

That's a separate issue as to offensive fit though. Tobey is the exact type of center that fits perfectly with Luka on offense. Nebo isn't as good of a fit in just that way, but a much better overall player. Slovenia needed to naturalize a center more like Tobey's style than Nebo's style, only one that is much better than Tobey is.
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Post#427 » by UcanUwill » Sat Jul 6, 2024 6:19 pm

I think Nebo and Lessort are very comparable. I was talking up Lessort last season, while you were still saying Lessort is nobody pretty much. He almost win final 4 MVP this season, honestly, probably should have won. Yeah, he is also the guy who will miss 10 staight FTs, but I think Lessort has proved to be a star even by your definition. I think Nebo will be the same.
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Post#428 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 6:24 pm

UcanUwill wrote:I think Nebo and Lessort are very comparable. I was talking up Lessort last season, while you were still saying Lessort is nobody pretty much. He almost win final 4 MVP this season, honestly, probably should have won. Yeah, he is also the guy whobwill miss 10 staight FTs, but I think Lessort has proved to be a starveven by your definition. I think Nebo will be the same.


You are really a huge Lessort fan with how you overrate him.

Nebo is better than Lessort is.
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Post#429 » by Archx » Sat Jul 6, 2024 6:28 pm

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Archx wrote:Lol Slovenia... Cancar was suppose to be 2nd best player but i'm not sure that he would get signed by a GLeague team right now.


Cancar supposed to be second best player? I think Nebo undoubtfully supposed to be that, and I think he was.


Nebo was 2nd best yeah, but we expected a lot more from Cancar even though he was injured. We expected also a lot more from him in previous tournaments but he wasn't worthy of his NBA contract.
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Post#430 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 6:31 pm

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Archx wrote:Lol Slovenia... Cancar was suppose to be 2nd best player but i'm not sure that he would get signed by a GLeague team right now.


Cancar supposed to be second best player? I think Nebo undoubtfully supposed to be that, and I think he was.


Nebo was 2nd best yeah, but we expected a lot more from Cancar even though he was injured. We expected also a lot more from him in previous tournaments but he wasn't worthy of his NBA contract.


There are a lot of role players in NBA that wouldn't be worth anything in the EuroLeague. At any given time, there are dozens of former role players from the NBA that are playing in Europe in leagues that are below the EuroLeague, and many of them are not even that good of players in those leagues. He's pretty much that type of NBA player.
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Post#431 » by UcanUwill » Sat Jul 6, 2024 6:49 pm

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Cancar supposed to be second best player? I think Nebo undoubtfully supposed to be that, and I think he was.


Nebo was 2nd best yeah, but we expected a lot more from Cancar even though he was injured. We expected also a lot more from him in previous tournaments but he wasn't worthy of his NBA contract.


There are a lot of role players in NBA that wouldn't be worth anything in the EuroLeague. At any given time, there are dozens of former role players from the NBA that are playing in Europe in leagues that are below the EuroLeague, and many of them are not even that good of players in those leagues. He's pretty much that type of NBA player.


He obviously never was serious NBA player, but we had this hope that we will come back to Europe and be good EL caliber player. I mean, happened many times with these types of players. When Shengelia joined NBA, he was a nobody, but few seasons just practicing in the NBA, made him an aninal in Euroleague competion. Same exact thing with Khryapa, that man was crazy good after his failed Chicago stint. Cancar does not look like that type of player, that major injury I think ended hus NBA career, and right now he is in bad shape, maybe he will bounce back, but what is his absilule best case scenario? Rolands Smits? I think that is best case scenario right now.
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Post#432 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 7:22 pm

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Nebo was 2nd best yeah, but we expected a lot more from Cancar even though he was injured. We expected also a lot more from him in previous tournaments but he wasn't worthy of his NBA contract.


There are a lot of role players in NBA that wouldn't be worth anything in the EuroLeague. At any given time, there are dozens of former role players from the NBA that are playing in Europe in leagues that are below the EuroLeague, and many of them are not even that good of players in those leagues. He's pretty much that type of NBA player.


He obviously never was serious NBA player, but we had this hope that we will come back to Europe and be good EL caliber player. I mean, happened many times with these types of players. When Shengelia joined NBA, he was a nobody, but few seasons just practicing in the NBA, made him an aninal in Euroleague competion. Same exact thing with Khryapa, that man was crazy good after his failed Chicago stint. Cancar does not look like that type of player, that major injury I think ended hus NBA career, and right now he is in bad shape, maybe he will bounce back, but what is his absilule best case scenario? Rolands Smits? I think that is best case scenario right now.


Khryapa was really athletic, really physical, was very versatile, could guard a bunch of positions, he was a really great rebounder and defender and he was a good 3 point shooter.

Shengelia is a big man that can handle the ball, pass, create his own shot, create for others, can shoot the 3, has low post and high post game, has a good face up game, is a great rebounder......

That would be setting the bar pretty high, in terms of likely outcomes for such players in Cancar's current situation. It seems very unlikely.

Roland Smits as a possible upside? Seems like a pretty good comparison actually. But as of right now, Cancar would have a ways to go to get to that level I think.
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Post#433 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 7:40 pm

Luka's stats in the Olympic Qualifying Tournament:

27.7 Points Per Game

38.7% FG%
26.7% 3-PT FG%
77.1 FT%

9.7 Rebounds Per Game
8.3 Assists Per Game

1.0 Steals Per Game
0.0 Blocks Per Game

5.0 Turnovers Per Game

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Post#435 » by Evenacus » Sat Jul 6, 2024 7:54 pm

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Croatia vs Dominikana will be an interesting game.


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That is on him then, he looked out of gas in these matches. Some rest should do him good.

OT: Croatia squeezes a win, just barely. Zubacca is the man. Sadly, I just don't see how they could win against Greece. Maybe there is a chance when there is no pressure and everyone ia expecting Greece to win.
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Post#437 » by vi3t » Sat Jul 6, 2024 8:29 pm

Spain escapes but I think they're going to have problems with Bahamas
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Post#438 » by UcanUwill » Sat Jul 6, 2024 8:58 pm

vi3t wrote:Spain escapes but I think they're going to have problems with Bahamas


Spain straight up lucked out with this draw, could still lose tho, this is not Spain we used to know.
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Post#439 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 9:07 pm

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vi3t wrote:Spain escapes but I think they're going to have problems with Bahamas


Spain straight up lucked out with this draw, could still lose tho, this is not Spain we used to know.


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Post#440 » by Hugi Mancura » Sat Jul 6, 2024 9:11 pm

Ayton plays drop coverage, so Spains guards will have more space to operate than they did against Finland (who switches). So Spain probably scores more, but also Bahamas offense is better than Finlands, so I presume Bahamas will score more than Finland did. But still I think Finlands playing style is more poisonous for Spain than Bahamas. But one game, Bahamas only need Hield to have a hot shooting night and everything changes. But Spain really doesn't look like a contender in Olympics this year.

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