Cooper Flagg

[Hair Jordan]

Bobby Hurley looked all world against Team USA in ‘92. Settle down folks

Do you remember Bobby Hurley? He was a monster at Duke

That’s what I mean. A zillion players were all world in college and then exceptionally minimal as pros. Zion for example. People thought he was gonna be some Barkley/Shaq hybrid or something and he averages fewer rebounds than lots of stiffs. It’s the Duke curse. Johnny Dawkins, Christian Laettner, Danny Ferry, Austin Rivers etc all woefully underperformed as pros.

[heatwillbeback]

Flagg is a cant miss prospect. Like in 5 years i'd be very surprised if he isn't an NBA All Star.

[Duke4life831]

Needs to be said that he's only 17 and his birthday isn't until December. He's going to be the age of some HS to NBA pros when he's a rookie.

Yup. Flagg is essentially as young of a NBA prospect as you can get with the new rules, with a late December birthday.

Flagg will be younger his first game of the NBA, than some of the top high school players at the time. Its not all that rare anymore to see top athletes in high school being 19 years old their senior year. Guys like Evan Mobley and Jalen Suggs were 20 years old on draft night, even though they were OADs.

[bigboi]

Flagg doesn’t impress me at all lol. I still don’t see the hype. His high school tape reminded me of high school MPJ

[bigboi]

Great athletic ability, height, a jump shot, handles, passing ability, high BBIQ, even blocks shots, dude has it all. He may be better than LeBron at the same age. Not the body. We'll see how he does at Duke in his one season. I think he'll light it up.

Is he going to be a great player in the NBA? No idea yet, but I like his chances. I'd have took him at #1 in this years draft, if the rules allowed. Even if he still had to play a year of college.

What? There are so many players better than him at the same page, idk why you guys do this. It really seems like some of you just started watching basketball

[Hair Jordan]

Flagg is a cant miss prospect. Like in 5 years i'd be very surprised if he isn't an NBA All Star.

Johnny Dawkins, Billy Owens, Waymon Tisdale, Pervis Ellison, Stacy King etc were all “can’t miss” prospects who missed big time

[Black Jack]

Clips looking shaky. Let this guy relax some, hyping him as the next KG isn’t fair.

[bigboi]

What makes him overrated?

His stats were pedestrian in high school.

16.5ppg 7.5rpg 3.8apg 1.6spg 2.7bpg

I don't care if that is a great high school team with a bunch of other top players, one of his teammates averaged exactly the same averages points and rebound averages. The season prior it was the same guys and he averaged 9.8ppg 5.2rpg and was like the 3rd or 4th leading scorer. If you are some generational talent I think you really need to be dominating high schoolers in a way that is tangible on the court. Luka and Wembanyama for example dominated professionals.

I expect him to be the #1 pick and longterm it will probably work out well, but a lot of people are already talking about him as the best player in college basketball or top 5. I think expecting a 6-9, 200lb dude that plays in the post to come into college basketball at the age of 17 and be a top 5 player like I've seen some pick him is ridiculous in the super senior era. Freshmen are struggling more than ever per kenpom.

He not only has that working against him, he doesn't turn 18 until like the last week of December when there will be many 23 and 24 year old 250lb post players in college basketball next year in the last year of the super senior. It's basically like a high school Junior playing in college basketball if you take his age and those in their 5th or 6th years and he will run into Bacot and DJ Burns types.

It’s about points per possession right? but you talking about raw stats here.

Who measures PPP in high school? You serious? Lmaooo.

[Duke4life831]

Flagg doesn’t impress me at all lol. I still don’t see the hype. His high school tape reminded me of high school MPJ

They play nothing alike. MPJ was a bouncy sharpshooter who was an extremely high volume scorer and was not known for his defense or facilitating.

Flagg is an elite defender and many think of him as one of the better defensive prospects to come out of American high school since AD. Flagg is also more of a fill up the stat sheet kind of player, not a high volume scorer. His 3pt shot is viewed as one of the weaker aspects of his game.

MPJ before the back injuries was a stud in high school. I just think him and Flagg are almost polar opposite kinds of players coming out of high school.

[bigboi]

Cooper is a monster.

Best American prospect since Anthony Davis I think.

If you value defense even Stevie Wonder can see he’s generational. He’s a freak on that end. His motor is insane and he’s got the physical tools now to be dominant on that end already. From day one he’s making your life miserable on defense. Him when he fills out and gets taller / stronger forget about it game over. He plays angry and his intensity is nuts. He imposes his will on games all around being a menace every where. He plays angry I love that about him.

On offense everything is there

He’s got a good handle
He’s got a good jumper with nice form
He’s got a mixed bag of moves to get a variety of shots
He’s a good passer
He’s good off the ball

To commit on defense like he does and to already be very well rounded everywhere else shows his work ethic and determination. The things he’s good at he’s going to be great at it’s only a matter of time.

0 chance Flagg is a better prospect than Zion coming out lmao. Or even Young or Ja for that matter

[bigboi]

Flagg doesn’t impress me at all lol. I still don’t see the hype. His high school tape reminded me of high school MPJ

They play nothing alike. MPJ was a bouncy sharpshooter who was an extremely high volume scorer and was not known for his defense or facilitating.

Flagg is an elite defender and many think of him as one of the better defensive prospects to come out of American high school since AD. Flagg is also more of a fill up the stat sheet kind of player, not a high volume scorer. His 3pt shot is viewed as one of the weaker aspects of his game.

MPJ before the back injuries was a stud in high school. I just think him and Flagg are almost polar opposite kinds of players coming out of high school.

This is exactly what Flagg is touted to be. His handle is unimpressive and his distribution ability is unimpressive.

All I see with Flagg is a high motor guy. I don’t view his athleticism as elite at all either. He looks ridiculously slow and not slow like Luka who has elite change of direction. Just looks like a generic player

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Cooper is a monster.

Best American prospect since Anthony Davis I think.

If you value defense even Stevie Wonder can see he’s generational. He’s a freak on that end. His motor is insane and he’s got the physical tools now to be dominant on that end already. From day one he’s making your life miserable on defense. Him when he fills out and gets taller / stronger forget about it game over. He plays angry and his intensity is nuts. He imposes his will on games all around being a menace every where. He plays angry I love that about him.

On offense everything is there

He’s got a good handle
He’s got a good jumper with nice form
He’s got a mixed bag of moves to get a variety of shots
He’s a good passer
He’s good off the ball

To commit on defense like he does and to already be very well rounded everywhere else shows his work ethic and determination. The things he’s good at he’s going to be great at it’s only a matter of time.

0 chance Flagg is a better prospect than Zion coming out lmao.

Coopers never going to be 400lbs

[bigboi]

Cooper is a monster.

Best American prospect since Anthony Davis I think.

If you value defense even Stevie Wonder can see he’s generational. He’s a freak on that end. His motor is insane and he’s got the physical tools now to be dominant on that end already. From day one he’s making your life miserable on defense. Him when he fills out and gets taller / stronger forget about it game over. He plays angry and his intensity is nuts. He imposes his will on games all around being a menace every where. He plays angry I love that about him.

On offense everything is there

He’s got a good handle
He’s got a good jumper with nice form
He’s got a mixed bag of moves to get a variety of shots
He’s a good passer
He’s good off the ball

To commit on defense like he does and to already be very well rounded everywhere else shows his work ethic and determination. The things he’s good at he’s going to be great at it’s only a matter of time.

0 chance Flagg is a better prospect than Zion coming out lmao.

Coopers never going to be 400lbs

You said prospect which means pre draft. And Zion was superior in pretty much every way other than shooting. His season in Duke, he was viewed as elite offensively, elite defensively, a good passer, and high motor.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

0 chance Flagg is a better prospect than Zion coming out lmao.

Coopers never going to be 400lbs

You said prospect which means pre draft. And Zion was superior in pretty much every way other than shooting. His season in Duke, he was viewed as elite offensively, elite defensively, a good passer, and high motor.

Zions bad reputation scouting report goes all the way back to him being a 35lb baby at birth.

[azcatz11]

0 chance Flagg is a better prospect than Zion coming out lmao.

Coopers never going to be 400lbs

You said prospect which means pre draft. And Zion was superior in pretty much every way other than shooting. His season in Duke, he was viewed as elite offensively, elite defensively, a good passer, and high motor.

17 years old and cooking the national team. You wanna retract your statement?

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[Asianiac_24]

His ceiling is probably Kevin Garnett/Anthony Davis. Extremely high potential and ceiling obviously, but I wouldn't call that generational. Generational is reserved for prospects like Wemby/LeBron/Shaq

[Duke4life831]

Flagg doesn’t impress me at all lol. I still don’t see the hype. His high school tape reminded me of high school MPJ

They play nothing alike. MPJ was a bouncy sharpshooter who was an extremely high volume scorer and was not known for his defense or facilitating.

Flagg is an elite defender and many think of him as one of the better defensive prospects to come out of American high school since AD. Flagg is also more of a fill up the stat sheet kind of player, not a high volume scorer. His 3pt shot is viewed as one of the weaker aspects of his game.

MPJ before the back injuries was a stud in high school. I just think him and Flagg are almost polar opposite kinds of players coming out of high school.

This is exactly what Flagg is touted to be. His handle is unimpressive and his distribution ability is unimpressive.

All I see with Flagg is a high motor guy. I don’t view his athleticism as elite at all either. He looks ridiculously slow and not slow like Luka who has elite change of direction. Just looks like a generic player

Flagg is touted to be a high volume scorer who is a sharpshooter and primarily catch and shoot guy?

Also Flagg's distribution ability is unimpressive? During Peach Jam Flagg was 2nd in assists. Flagg was also 2nd in assists this past year for Montverde with 4 assists per game and that was doing that while playing the 4 and not being the primary ball handler. His facilitating is viewed as one of his stronger aspects on the offensive side.

[Duke4life831]

His ceiling is probably Kevin Garnett/Anthony Davis. Extremely high potential and ceiling obviously, but I wouldn't call that generational. Generational is reserved for prospects like Wemby/LeBron/Shaq

Agreed. I think Flagg is in that Oden/KD/Zion/AD level of prospect out of the last 20 or so years. I think all of those guys are a tier below the freak prospects like LeBron and Wemby.

I agree the term generational talent gets thrown around too often. Generational prospects should be viewed as the kind of prospect you see once in 20-30 years.

[Homerclease]

His ceiling is probably Kevin Garnett/Anthony Davis. Extremely high potential and ceiling obviously, but I wouldn't call that generational. Generational is reserved for prospects like Wemby/LeBron/Shaq

Agreed. I think Flagg is in that Oden/KD/Zion/AD level of prospect out of the last 20 or so years. I think all of those guys are a tier below the freak prospects like LeBron and Wemby.

I agree the term generational talent gets thrown around too often. Generational prospects should be viewed as the kind of prospect you see once in 20-30 years.

I tend to agree with this. I was born in 85 so in my lifetime there’s only been 3 generational prospects. Duncan, Lebron and Wemby. Maybe Shaq if you wanna argue that.

[Duke4life831]

Im getting ready for a Wemby "injury" and see him play like 25-35 games this year and watch the Spurs tank. To then land Flagg and have a Wemby/Flagg front court going forward.

And to be clear, when I say "injury". Obviously Im not rooting or hoping he gets an actual injury. Just hoping Spurs tank this year so this duo can happen.