Political Roundtable Part XXXII

[closg00]

It’s over for Biden, and for U.S. Democracy

[Pointgod]

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You're assuming dems are competent and the competent things they are doing now would be disrupted

Biden is unpopular among the voters who won him the election in 2020. Replacing him would solve a big problem the dems have. I'm not convinced the dems are spending money effectively enough that disrupting their campaign would have some noticeable effect. They're losing to a convicted felon rapist pedophile. Explain to me what they are doing right?

Who do you believe won Biden the election in 2020 that have now soured on him? There’s a lot of narratives that aren’t actually backed up by the data.

The election is still 4 months out, polls don’t vote. Don’t mistake people’s grumpiness about everything for approval to vote for Trump. Project 2025 is deeply unpopular, Trump is **** despised. He’s lost more voters from 2020 than he’s gained. The reason it’s so close is that Americans are washed in propaganda where the loudest voices have an outsized influence.

Democrats have been doing the actual work that wins elections, not fantasy bs that you see on social media.

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[Zonkerbl]

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You're assuming dems are competent and the competent things they are doing now would be disrupted

Biden is unpopular among the voters who won him the election in 2020. Replacing him would solve a big problem the dems have. I'm not convinced the dems are spending money effectively enough that disrupting their campaign would have some noticeable effect. They're losing to a convicted felon rapist pedophile. Explain to me what they are doing right?

Who do you believe won Biden the election in 2020 that have now soured on him? There’s a lot of narratives that aren’t actually backed up by the data.

The election is still 4 months out, polls don’t vote. Don’t mistake people’s grumpiness about everything for approval to vote for Trump. Project 2025 is deeply unpopular, Trump is **** despised. He’s lost more voters from 2020 than he’s gained. The reason it’s so close is that Americans are washed in propaganda where the loudest voices have an outsized influence.

Democrats have been doing the actual work that wins elections, not fantasy bs that you see on social media.

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Progressive democrats who do not support unconditional support for Israel's right wing fascist government committing genocide adjacent (at least!) acts in Palestine, for one. Every single member of the squad is publicly pro Palestine. Progressive democrats know how to win 21st century elections, DNC is still campaigning like it's the 1990s ("dominating the airwaves" - give me a break!!!). "Begrudgingly voting for Biden" = low enthusiasm = low turnout. DNC would rather lose an election than nominate a candidate who represents their base's core values, who will generate the enthusiasm necessary to save democracy in the United States.

[closg00]

Biden is gifting the country to MAGA , he is completely delusional and not dropping out….

[Benjammin]

How selfish can Biden be? I still think he will drop out one way or the other, but the longer this goes on the worse it will be. The press will not go off this story because it is an actual story along with being great for ratings.

[closg00]

How selfish can Biden be? I still think he will drop out one way or the other, but the longer this goes on the worse it will be. The press will not go off this story because it is an actual story along with being great for ratings.

Senate and House leadership needs to have an intervention with him, but they won’t bet they are wussie Democrats, few of them have any spine.

[pancakes3]

I'm agnostic as to Biden's age now, and have shifted my apathy to voting blue no matter what in light of the most recent SCOTUS decisions.

living on a hope and a prayer that DNC gets its act together for 2028.

[Zonkerbl]

I mean, I'll vote for Biden. I'd vote for a smelly sock just to vote against Trump. But most voters aren't like me. They have no idea what's about to happen.

[Zonkerbl]

I'm agnostic as to Biden's age now, and have shifted my apathy to voting blue no matter what in light of the most recent SCOTUS decisions.

living on a hope and a prayer that DNC gets its act together for 2028.

Well, assuming we even have elections in 2028.

[Fairview4Life]

I'm agnostic as to Biden's age now, and have shifted my apathy to voting blue no matter what in light of the most recent SCOTUS decisions.

living on a hope and a prayer that DNC gets its act together for 2028.

Well, assuming we even have elections in 2028.

There would still be elections. Fascists still usually go through the motions so they can fake legitimacy. There would just be a whole lot of voter suppression, courts not ruling against insane gerrymandered maps, bog standard Republican election tactics would be the norm everywhere etc.

[Zonkerbl]

I'm agnostic as to Biden's age now, and have shifted my apathy to voting blue no matter what in light of the most recent SCOTUS decisions.

living on a hope and a prayer that DNC gets its act together for 2028.

Well, assuming we even have elections in 2028.

There would still be elections. Fascists still usually go through the motions so they can fake legitimacy. There would just be a whole lot of voter suppression, courts not ruling against insane gerrymandered maps, bog standard Republican election tactics would be the norm everywhere etc.

True, they have elections in Russia, just no one besides Putin has a chance at winning.

Ironic that Trump's campaign against "rigged elections" might result in us having rigged elections forever afterwards. Straight out of 1984. Up is down. Black is white. Two plus two equals five. The 2020 election was rigged.

[Pointgod]

You're assuming dems are competent and the competent things they are doing now would be disrupted

Biden is unpopular among the voters who won him the election in 2020. Replacing him would solve a big problem the dems have. I'm not convinced the dems are spending money effectively enough that disrupting their campaign would have some noticeable effect. They're losing to a convicted felon rapist pedophile. Explain to me what they are doing right?

Who do you believe won Biden the election in 2020 that have now soured on him? There’s a lot of narratives that aren’t actually backed up by the data.

The election is still 4 months out, polls don’t vote. Don’t mistake people’s grumpiness about everything for approval to vote for Trump. Project 2025 is deeply unpopular, Trump is **** despised. He’s lost more voters from 2020 than he’s gained. The reason it’s so close is that Americans are washed in propaganda where the loudest voices have an outsized influence.

Democrats have been doing the actual work that wins elections, not fantasy bs that you see on social media.

Read on Twitter

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Progressive democrats who do not support unconditional support for Israel's right wing fascist government committing genocide adjacent (at least!) acts in Palestine, for one. Every single member of the squad is publicly pro Palestine. Progressive democrats know how to win 21st century elections, DNC is still campaigning like it's the 1990s ("dominating the airwaves" - give me a break!!!). "Begrudgingly voting for Biden" = low enthusiasm = low turnout. DNC would rather lose an election than nominate a candidate who represents their base's core values, who will generate the enthusiasm necessary to save democracy in the United States.

Where you’re making the mistake is believing the Squad is the base of the Democratic Party. They represent a small slice of the Democratic voters. And your point is kind of moot considering most of the squad supports Biden staying on. So even the representatives of the Progressives section of the party support Biden.

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And it’s ironic that the people that claim the DNC rig everything are asking the DNC to just select a new candidate ignoring the millions of voters that actually voted for Biden. Its non sensical but I understand it’s coming from a place of emotions and media narratives.

[Pointgod]

I'm agnostic as to Biden's age now, and have shifted my apathy to voting blue no matter what in light of the most recent SCOTUS decisions.

living on a hope and a prayer that DNC gets its act together for 2028.

Well, assuming we even have elections in 2028.

There would still be elections. Fascists still usually go through the motions so they can fake legitimacy. There would just be a whole lot of voter suppression, courts not ruling against insane gerrymandered maps, bog standard Republican election tactics would be the norm everywhere etc.

Do you think the people who tried to blatantly overthrow an election give a **** about legitimacy? Trump will invoke the insurrection act, jail protestors and make up some bs excuse to declare martial law. The Supreme Court has granted him immunity and there will be little push back because your average American is more talk than action. The rest of the world will fall inline because Americans stupidly decided to give a mad man access to nuclear codes

[Pointgod]

Enjoy the camps and Project 2025 all because you guys were hand wringing about an old guy…..

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[Fairview4Life]

Well, assuming we even have elections in 2028.

There would still be elections. Fascists still usually go through the motions so they can fake legitimacy. There would just be a whole lot of voter suppression, courts not ruling against insane gerrymandered maps, bog standard Republican election tactics would be the norm everywhere etc.

Do you think the people who tried to blatantly overthrow an election give a **** about legitimacy? Trump will invoke the insurrection act, jail protestors and make up some bs excuse to declare martial law. The Supreme Court has granted him immunity and there will be little push back because your average American is more talk than action. The rest of the world will fall inline because Americans stupidly decided to give a mad man access to nuclear codes

Yes. That was the whole point of the fake electors schemes and disrupting the count so they could have Pence declare it all too confusing. The veneer of legality so there’s just enough for people to go along with it.

[closg00]

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[Zonkerbl]

I think it's healthy, actually, for us to have a loud, public airing of grievances about Biden. It gets everyone thinking about the election, and it's good that we seriously considered the option of replacing Biden with someone else, rather than having the various members of the squad grumbling about it.

If you don't think the squad represents progressive dems, who are 100% the base of the Democratic party and 100% the reason why the Dems win any elections at all, you are clinically delusional and part of the reason why we are stuck with Biden in the first place. Yes, the squad did publicly fall in line with the Biden nomination, after the Dems all got together to hash things out. Good! I would rather we talk this all out publicly with the representatives of the base (the squad!) having a voice and an opportunity to demand that Biden step down. It's healthy.

Now let's just hope that Biden doesn't lose and then immediately die.

[closg00]

Frightening and a most of it will come to pass.
https://youtu.be/NpLpOtFNFWg?si=ST6lhsM_WvyQN_o-

[montestewart]

It's all about perception. For some reason, people aren't getting that a brain dead Biden could not be any worse than Trump was on day one of his first term. Read the tell alls of former Trump administration officials. Not stable, not a genius. An ignorant, immature, erratic, unintelligible crybaby. Add a get-out-of-jail card from his SC cronies, and he can finally be the fascist he always wanted to be, but for democracy, free speech, courts, separation of powers, etc.

If they want to sell Biden stepping down, they need to do more than say, "Biden has to step down." They need to explain how it will work, legally, financially, and politically. I'm not seeing a well articulated, comprehensive, publicly advertised plan, and "Get rid of Biden, then we'll figure it out," doesn't count. I support the path to defeating Trump, whatever it is, but most of the politician/pundit/celebrity blather seems like brand CYA and clickbait sensationalism.