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Would you move Deuce for Kessler?

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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#61 » by Guano » Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:56 pm

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Why would Detroit deal Duren?

It still hurts that we had to deal Duren to unload salary so we could sign Hartenstein only to have him walk this season but what can you do?


Idk

I've been his name floated. They have 3 C now


I think they're more likely to make a move with the Pels involving BI than a deal with us for Deuce.


Maybe idk wtf they're doing, the pels are doing or what the knicks plan on doing at c.


I do strongly believe the knicks will make a move eventually at c. They're window is open right now. And I can't believe they think they can trust Mitch's health or sims development to be a championship contending team. It would be foolish
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#62 » by K_ick_God » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:30 pm

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We're getting sims practice hype videos. The offseason has officially begun.

There is no way a contending team can have him as their backup big with mitch as the starter. The knicks have to do better.

Hate to lose deuce but if it brings in a quality big who is an average nba starting c they have to do it.


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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#63 » by RHODEY » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:30 pm

Deuce in the lead...by a hair.
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#64 » by Madskillzz024 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:46 pm

If Rokas looks decent during summer league , might make sense to move Deuce for Kessler. If Utah doesn’t want Deuce, maybe he can be routed to a 3rd team for a first
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#65 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:48 pm

Guano wrote:
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We're getting sims practice hype videos. The offseason has officially begun.

There is no way a contending team can have him as their backup big with mitch as the starter. The knicks have to do better.

Hate to lose deuce but if it brings in a quality big who is an average nba starting c they have to do it.


Kessler's rim protection is elite, and at 22 he's got room to grow under the big man whisperer.


For this reason I'm cool with bringing in duren. Thibs and comp did wonders on developing mitch. I'm sure they could help duren a lot too. And he would be cheaper as we have dealt with Detroit already.

duren has a lot of upside. he would be a good get
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#66 » by RHODEY » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:05 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
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Kessler's rim protection is elite, and at 22 he's got room to grow under the big man whisperer.


For this reason I'm cool with bringing in duren. Thibs and comp did wonders on developing mitch. I'm sure they could help duren a lot too. And he would be cheaper as we have dealt with Detroit already.

duren has a lot of upside. he would be a good get

He's a beast on the boards but is a subpar rim protester and defender
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#67 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:47 pm

Deuce is on one of the best non rookie contracts in the NBA. I'm not sure moving him would be wise considering we just went all in and cap mechanics become crucial.
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#68 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:54 pm

There has to be a way to obtain a back up C without losing Deuce.

It's unfortunate but there was always going to be a flaw on the roster and right now it's at back up C. That in itself isn't the end of the world because this a pretty versatile group. Even if we have to run small ball line ups at times this team should be high level on both ends.
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#69 » by El Poochio » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:54 pm

I love Deuce, wanted Knicks to draft him and it will suck losing him after the year he had but its a no brainer to switch the bench player with one who will start. If we have a chance to go for Sengun though we have to pursue that since he has more in his bag than Kessler and we will need another creator since none of our players really create for others, maybe except Randle who is dubious
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#70 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:56 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Deuce is on one of the best non rookie contracts in the NBA. I'm not sure moving him would be wise considering we just went all in and cap mechanics become crucial.


It would take a lot more than Kessler for me to trade McBride. Value contract two way players are hard to come by.
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#71 » by moocow007 » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:58 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Deuce is on one of the best non rookie contracts in the NBA. I'm not sure moving him would be wise considering we just went all in and cap mechanics become crucial.


If he doesn't play his contract won't be one of the best non rookie contracts. This roster right now, chances are pretty good that he's not going to get much playing time and likely won't even be in the rotation most nights. His value may not get any higher than it is now if they keep him around collecting dust.
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#72 » by El Poochio » Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:58 pm

dakomish23 wrote:Deuce is on one of the best non rookie contracts in the NBA. I'm not sure moving him would be wise considering we just went all in and cap mechanics become crucial.


How much play time he is gonna get behind the Nova boys though? Especially on a Thibs team. Brunson - McBride together is too small too. If you can get 30 mins quality time at C instead of 10 mins backup you should make that switch. Kessler/Sengun/Duren are also on great contracts
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#73 » by El Poochio » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:00 pm

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dakomish23 wrote:Deuce is on one of the best non rookie contracts in the NBA. I'm not sure moving him would be wise considering we just went all in and cap mechanics become crucial.


It would take a lot more than Kessler for me to trade McBride. Value contract two way players are hard to come by.


Kessler fits that bill too, think we are too emotionally invested in Deuce. He epitomizes tough nosed NYC guard
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#74 » by El Poochio » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:01 pm

Pick up Jevon Carter from rebuilding Bulls on the cheap to fill the Deuce void
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#75 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:02 pm

El Poochio wrote:I love Deuce, wanted Knicks to draft him and it will suck losing him after the year he had but its a no brainer to switch the bench player with one who will start. If we have a chance to go for Sengun though we have to pursue that since he has more in his bag than Kessler and we will need another creator since none of our players really create for others, maybe except Randle who is dubious


Now we're talking. Sengun for Deuce and draft assets makes sense. Cheap contract with team options and dude replaces Hartenstein.

Not sure why Houston would trade him nor do I care.
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#76 » by El Poochio » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:07 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
El Poochio wrote:I love Deuce, wanted Knicks to draft him and it will suck losing him after the year he had but its a no brainer to switch the bench player with one who will start. If we have a chance to go for Sengun though we have to pursue that since he has more in his bag than Kessler and we will need another creator since none of our players really create for others, maybe except Randle who is dubious


Now we're talking. Sengun for Deuce and draft assets makes sense. Cheap contract with team options and dude replaces Hartenstein.

Not sure why Houston would trade him nor do I care.


I have no idea why they will trade him either but they were offering him for KD and Randle has more in the tank :dontknow:
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#77 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:08 pm

El Poochio wrote:
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dakomish23 wrote:Deuce is on one of the best non rookie contracts in the NBA. I'm not sure moving him would be wise considering we just went all in and cap mechanics become crucial.


It would take a lot more than Kessler for me to trade McBride. Value contract two way players are hard to come by.


Kessler fits that bill too, think we are too emotionally invested in Deuce. He epitomizes tough nosed NYC guard


You made me think too

Brunson, Donte, Bridges are getting the lion share of guard minutes. Deuce's role probably is going to take a hit.

I would do it, but I like Sengun or Duren a lot more.
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#78 » by Riot Randolph » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:09 pm

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For this reason I'm cool with bringing in duren. Thibs and comp did wonders on developing mitch. I'm sure they could help duren a lot too. And he would be cheaper as we have dealt with Detroit already.

duren has a lot of upside. he would be a good get

He's a beast on the boards but is a subpar rim protester and defender

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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#79 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:11 pm

El Poochio wrote:
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El Poochio wrote:I love Deuce, wanted Knicks to draft him and it will suck losing him after the year he had but its a no brainer to switch the bench player with one who will start. If we have a chance to go for Sengun though we have to pursue that since he has more in his bag than Kessler and we will need another creator since none of our players really create for others, maybe except Randle who is dubious


Now we're talking. Sengun for Deuce and draft assets makes sense. Cheap contract with team options and dude replaces Hartenstein.

Not sure why Houston would trade him nor do I care.


I have no idea why they will trade him either but they were offering him for KD and Randle has more in the tank :dontknow:


Yeah that is odd.

I don't trade Randle for anything less than a proven all nba player.
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Re: Would you move Deuce for Kessler? 

Post#80 » by dakomish23 » Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:24 pm

moocow007 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:Deuce is on one of the best non rookie contracts in the NBA. I'm not sure moving him would be wise considering we just went all in and cap mechanics become crucial.


If he doesn't play his contract won't be one of the best non rookie contracts. This roster right now, chances are pretty good that he's not going to get much playing time and likely won't even be in the rotation most nights. His value may not get any higher than it is now if they keep him around collecting dust.


How we use him does not in any diminish the value of the contract in a vacuum
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