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Post#941 » by jengmann3 » Fri Jul 12, 2024 2:26 pm

wco81 wrote:Zach Lowe again goes in on the Clippers front office and Ballmer.

Said they should have given PG the fourth year and deal with it later.

Says they insulted PG with Immanuel Quigley money with the initial offer. Wouldn't give PG the same money and terms as KL, except he wanted a NTC on top, because he was worried about getting Blake'd.

Says are the Clippers going to replace PG with a bunch of role players and finish #12 in the West? Emphasized that they need to have a good record this upcoming season because their 2025 pick could be subject to a swap.

Lowe has always been PG guy so I get it. Not to rehash misery but I think PG was a pretty good number 2. For that matter Kawhi has been a pretty good number 1. It's just that they both were not healthy. I think maybe that's y lowe is disappointed in not bringing pg back. Also , losing an all star for nothing is not the greatest when ur not in a full on rebuild but in light of the changing cap rules it seems to be understandable. Lastly 12th sounds egregious, but the west is really good. Memphis, Golden State, San Antonio, Houston i think is y he said that. Obviously Portland and Utah are not in the conversation
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Post#942 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:08 pm

This was ultimately about choosing the lesser of 2 or 3 different evils, and I think we made the right choice all things considered. Without the 2nd apron, I can see his point about signing PG and then dealing with the contract later, but that's not the world we live in now.

We do really want to beat Houston's record this season, but IMO that's less a factor in whether to max out PG and more about doing our best to retool after he left.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#943 » by Clemenza » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:11 pm

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nickhx2 wrote:
i respect and trust lowe's basketball opinions far more than i'd ever trust my own, and he was one of my favorite writers (before he went behind the paywall)

but...

if this is his criticism then i am kinda shocked. PG showed us year after year, and big game after big game that he's not the dude you can trust when the stakes get higher and higher. there are TONS of players who play really well until those stakes rise and the anxiety becomes too much to deal with. and there are the rare ones whose games get tougher as the challenges get tougher. and paul george is the former, through and through.

like, the fans had enough of that and obviously very clearly the team did, too. and despite me being someone who values modern analytics as the foremost tool of telling us what goes on, on a basketball court, there's a resilience factor in any competitor that's not really quantifiable, and is only observable through our repeat experiences of seeing what we see on the court.

and he doesn't have that, and he's gone, and i think if feedback informs us of anything, the overall lack of lament at his departure should say something. and i think lowe doesn't get that or see that, at all.



Also, it is absurd that last year's 4th place in the West caused us to be projected as 12th this year just because Paul George left. PG's departure will definitely set us back, but He's not that type of impact player at all. It's ridiculous this media underrates the moves our FO have executed to a point "just a bunch of role players" as if we haven't put anything in place.

"just a bunch of role players" is true for last year's garbage.
How many times did Russ knock us out of the games we were cruising ahead?
How many times did we bleed points because we gave PJ Tucker playing time?
How many times did we fall behind while waiting for Mason Plumlee to find himself coming back from injury?(he never did)
How many times did we have to take Theis off due to his undersized physique?
How many times have we had BJ Boston taken out immediately because he couldn't add anything to the game other than bad shot choices?
Bones Hyland and his immature behaviors?

We replaced 5 of this players and PG13 with 4 players respectively, who will not write a net negative as soon as they enter the game; Derrick Jones Jr, Nic Batum, K. Dunn, M.Bamba. Additionally, we rolled the dice on Kevin Porter JR, who could potentially raise the ceiling(big if though).

Finally, we must also take into account the possible forward steps of players such as T.Mann, Zubac, Norman Powell, who sacrificed their talents and rotation time while playing a very stagnant, isolation heavy game around 3 stars last year. With less isolation and more movement in the offence, the impact of these players will increase much more. Defensively we already better than last year.

Lets see what our homegrown guys T-Mann and Zu will do? Are they going to step up? Can Zu become 15+ ppg player? T-mann like Iggy stats 13 ppg-6 Reb-5 ast? These guys are deserving to be a starter for the opening night in Intuit dome and excitement is there.

All we need to do is keep ahead of Houston so we can protect our 25 1st rd pick swap with OKC, have pick in teens rather than like OKC's #29.


Here's what the numbers say:

It's easy to scapegoat PJ Tucker, but he spent most of the season DNP-CD. He appeared in only 28 games total for the Clippers. PJ played 247 of his 420 minutes after the All-Star Break-- partly due to injuries--and "leaked" a total of only 18 points. This was 9th on the team. Kobe Brown leaked more in fewer than half as many minutes [24 in 115 minutes]. The time for investing PT was over--by the All-Star Break, school's out.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Totals&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

And per 100 possessions, the numbers looked like this:

10 Terance Mann -2.8
11 P.J. Tucker -3.6
12 James Harden -3.9
13 Mason Plumlee -4.6
14 Bones Hyland -5.0
15 Amir Coffey -5.4
16 Kobe Brown -9.9
17 Xavier Moon -10.4
18 Brandon Boston Jr. -11.5

PJ sucked, but so did the alternatives.

As for T-Mann, He turns 28 in October and there's no reason to think he'll transform into Iggy or anyone else. Once again his per-36 numbers EERILY remained almost exactly the same they do year after year--whether he plays fewer minutes, more minutes, or in between, every category is always within plus or minus 10%--and often within 5%. You is what you is.

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ADD: You are correct about Brandon Boston Jr--he leaked the most points of any Clipper REGARDLESS of minutes played--dead last at minus-111 points in only 345 minutes. Unplayable. [Kobe was 2nd-worst at minus-92.]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Totals&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

PJ Tucker was a problem, a locker room cancer, a disruptor, ran to the media about his minutes, wanted a trade.. So many issues that he had to be sent home before all star break. Lue bowed down to him in the end, but please, please bring into account everything that went on with this guy all season long besides just his minutes played and his plus/minus. We probably wouldn't say much about him if it was only about the minutes he played.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#944 » by TrueLAfan » Fri Jul 12, 2024 4:16 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:This was ultimately about choosing the lesser of 2 or 3 different evils, and I think we made the right choice all things considered. Without the 2nd apron, I can see his point about signing PG and then dealing with the contract later, but that's not the world we live in now.

We do really want to beat Houston's record this season, but IMO that's less a factor in whether to max out PG and more about doing our best to retool after he left.


Great point. I don’t totally disagree with Lowe's analysis. But the important thing is context. He's leaving a lot of stuff out

    Immanuel Quickley just turned 25. He’s nine years younger than PG.

    He’s played in over 90% of his team’s games in his four years. PG has played in 67% in that time—a difference of 20 regular season games a year.

    Quickley is a very good player. His numbers have gone up each year. He became a starter in Toronto and averaged 18.6/4.8/6.8.

    It’s (very) likely that he’ll improve from his current level, since he’s young and his game has had an in upward trajectory.

Is it “insulting” to have a similar offer in those conditions? You may not like it, but I don’t think it’s “insulting.” I liked PG too, but Zach needs to look at the big picture a little more.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#945 » by wco81 » Fri Jul 12, 2024 7:18 pm

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madmaxmedia wrote:This was ultimately about choosing the lesser of 2 or 3 different evils, and I think we made the right choice all things considered. Without the 2nd apron, I can see his point about signing PG and then dealing with the contract later, but that's not the world we live in now.

We do really want to beat Houston's record this season, but IMO that's less a factor in whether to max out PG and more about doing our best to retool after he left.


Great point. I don’t totally disagree with Lowe's analysis. But the important thing is context. He's leaving a lot of stuff out

    Immanuel Quickley just turned 25. He’s nine years younger than PG.

    He’s played in over 90% of his team’s games in his four years. PG has played in 67% in that time—a difference of 20 regular season games a year.

    Quickley is a very good player. His numbers have gone up each year. He became a starter in Toronto and averaged 18.6/4.8/6.8.

    It’s (very) likely that he’ll improve from his current level, since he’s young and his game has had an in upward trajectory.

Is it “insulting” to have a similar offer in those conditions? You may not like it, but I don’t think it’s “insulting.” I liked PG too, but Zach needs to look at the big picture a little more.
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wco81 wrote:Zach Lowe again goes in on the Clippers front office and Ballmer.

Said they should have given PG the fourth year and deal with it later.

Says they insulted PG with Immanuel Quigley money with the initial offer. Wouldn't give PG the same money and terms as KL, except he wanted a NTC on top, because he was worried about getting Blake'd.

Says are the Clippers going to replace PG with a bunch of role players and finish #12 in the West? Emphasized that they need to have a good record this upcoming season because their 2025 pick could be subject to a swap.

Lowe has always been PG guy so I get it. Not to rehash misery but I think PG was a pretty good number 2. For that matter Kawhi has been a pretty good number 1. It's just that they both were not healthy. I think maybe that's y lowe is disappointed in not bringing pg back. Also , losing an all star for nothing is not the greatest when ur not in a full on rebuild but in light of the changing cap rules it seems to be understandable. Lastly 12th sounds egregious, but the west is really good. Memphis, Golden State, San Antonio, Houston i think is y he said that. Obviously Portland and Utah are not in the conversation



I think his point was mainly that Clippers can't let an asset walk for nothing when they don't have draft picks.

Especially when the Clippers' record this year will determine the fate of their FRP this year.

He wasn't predicting that Clippers would be 12th but he didn't think they would be competitive with role players replacing PG, who played at an all-NBA level last season and in light of Kawhi's having to leave Team USA, months after he was unable to play in the playoffs.

If the Clippers are able to sign a big free agent next summer or the summer after that, maybe the moves will work out.

Otherwise, without draft picks, that may be the only way for them to improve, unless a superstar just wants to live in LA and forces a trade there. That is what happened 4-5 seasons ago and maybe it happens again.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#946 » by MartinToVaught » Fri Jul 12, 2024 8:31 pm

wco81 wrote:I think his point was mainly that Clippers can't let an asset walk for nothing when they don't have draft picks.

Again, if PG was still an asset, he either would have been traded or re-signed. The Clippers (rightfully) didn't feel he was worth the contract he was demanding and refusing to budge on. And no other team was willing to trade anything of value for him now, let alone when he's 37 and still making $53 million a year. So the only option left was to let him walk. It's not complicated to understand, and at this point your posts are bordering on concern trolling.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#947 » by esqtvd » Fri Jul 12, 2024 9:08 pm

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Also, it is absurd that last year's 4th place in the West caused us to be projected as 12th this year just because Paul George left. PG's departure will definitely set us back, but He's not that type of impact player at all. It's ridiculous this media underrates the moves our FO have executed to a point "just a bunch of role players" as if we haven't put anything in place.

"just a bunch of role players" is true for last year's garbage.
How many times did Russ knock us out of the games we were cruising ahead?
How many times did we bleed points because we gave PJ Tucker playing time?
How many times did we fall behind while waiting for Mason Plumlee to find himself coming back from injury?(he never did)
How many times did we have to take Theis off due to his undersized physique?
How many times have we had BJ Boston taken out immediately because he couldn't add anything to the game other than bad shot choices?
Bones Hyland and his immature behaviors?

We replaced 5 of this players and PG13 with 4 players respectively, who will not write a net negative as soon as they enter the game; Derrick Jones Jr, Nic Batum, K. Dunn, M.Bamba. Additionally, we rolled the dice on Kevin Porter JR, who could potentially raise the ceiling(big if though).

Finally, we must also take into account the possible forward steps of players such as T.Mann, Zubac, Norman Powell, who sacrificed their talents and rotation time while playing a very stagnant, isolation heavy game around 3 stars last year. With less isolation and more movement in the offence, the impact of these players will increase much more. Defensively we already better than last year.

Lets see what our homegrown guys T-Mann and Zu will do? Are they going to step up? Can Zu become 15+ ppg player? T-mann like Iggy stats 13 ppg-6 Reb-5 ast? These guys are deserving to be a starter for the opening night in Intuit dome and excitement is there.

All we need to do is keep ahead of Houston so we can protect our 25 1st rd pick swap with OKC, have pick in teens rather than like OKC's #29.


Here's what the numbers say:

It's easy to scapegoat PJ Tucker, but he spent most of the season DNP-CD. He appeared in only 28 games total for the Clippers. PJ played 247 of his 420 minutes after the All-Star Break-- partly due to injuries--and "leaked" a total of only 18 points. This was 9th on the team. Kobe Brown leaked more in fewer than half as many minutes [24 in 115 minutes]. The time for investing PT was over--by the All-Star Break, school's out.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Totals&SeasonSegment=Post%20All-Star&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

And per 100 possessions, the numbers looked like this:

10 Terance Mann -2.8
11 P.J. Tucker -3.6
12 James Harden -3.9
13 Mason Plumlee -4.6
14 Bones Hyland -5.0
15 Amir Coffey -5.4
16 Kobe Brown -9.9
17 Xavier Moon -10.4
18 Brandon Boston Jr. -11.5

PJ sucked, but so did the alternatives.

As for T-Mann, He turns 28 in October and there's no reason to think he'll transform into Iggy or anyone else. Once again his per-36 numbers EERILY remained almost exactly the same they do year after year--whether he plays fewer minutes, more minutes, or in between, every category is always within plus or minus 10%--and often within 5%. You is what you is.

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ADD: You are correct about Brandon Boston Jr--he leaked the most points of any Clipper REGARDLESS of minutes played--dead last at minus-111 points in only 345 minutes. Unplayable. [Kobe was 2nd-worst at minus-92.]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Totals&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS

PJ Tucker was a problem, a locker room cancer, a disruptor, ran to the media about his minutes, wanted a trade.. So many issues that he had to be sent home before all star break. Lue bowed down to him in the end, but please, please bring into account everything that went on with this guy all season long besides just his minutes played and his plus/minus. We probably wouldn't say much about him if it was only about the minutes he played.


Let's get one thing straight, I am NOT defending Tucker. Yes, both he and Bones got sent home from that road trip in mid-February. Tucker was fined $75,000 by the LEAGUE for his comments to the press. The whole story is here:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5275997/2024/02/14/clippers-pj-tucker-bones-hyland-road-trip/

But the facts are that the door was wide open for Kobe to walk through and grab those minutes, and he was even worse.


Afterward, rookie Kobe Brown replaced Tucker in the rotation. News surfaced in December that Tucker and LA were working on a trade that never came.



Then in March, Tucker was given the same chance because the Clippers were stuck with him anyway and needed help because of injuries. He sucked, but he sucked less. After the ASB, he was minus 18 points in 247 minutes. Kobe was minus-24 in only 113 minutes. The scoreboard doesn't lie.

It's all there in black-and-white: After a brief 12-game audition [including 6 straight losses to begin the Harden era] Tucker had been BENCHED from November on. BEFORE the ASB, Kobe played 279 minutes for a TEAM WORST minus-68 points. Tucker played only 174 minutes, for minus-34 points. Bad, but still not as bad as Kobe.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?PerMode=Totals&SeasonSegment=Pre%20All-Star&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612746&dir=D&sort=PLUS_MINUS

Hate on PJ both on and off the court, that's fine. But he played in only 28 games and was not responsible for Kobe not getting it. And coach did the best he could with the bad hand the FO dealt him. We might agree that the real blame lies there...and we're looking at the same damn predicament THIS year, minus the 6-7 Paul George. smdh
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Post#948 » by KL2 » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:30 pm

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Post#950 » by wakelaunch1 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:01 am

madmaxmedia wrote:This was ultimately about choosing the lesser of 2 or 3 different evils, and I think we made the right choice all things considered. Without the 2nd apron, I can see his point about signing PG and then dealing with the contract later, but that's not the world we live in now.

We do really want to beat Houston's record this season, but IMO that's less a factor in whether to max out PG and more about doing our best to retool after he left.


i definitely think we made the right move, we saw the PG experiment. If he was a 1A, then i would have said keep him. Harden played better/more consistent than him. I say PG is a 35-40 million dollar player at this point.
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All for Tyus Jones, solid, balanced PG, and not real old yet.

Diallo has shown he has talent in the past for stretches of seasons.. would not mind at all taking a flyer on him into the pre-season. Maybe bring him to compete with the younger recent draft picks on the wing, see what happens. Decent size and really good athleticism on the wing.

Clips are not done yet past Kris Dunn and Russ' being swapped basically.
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Post#952 » by ejftw » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:25 am

The Tyus speculation is head scratching......a consolidation Woj bomb/ShamWow tweet is what I'm waiting on I guess
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Post#953 » by og15 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:26 am

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Tyus Jones is a very nice rotation point guard, mentioned him a while back as a guy to get though that was in a hypothetical no Harden scenario.

A lot of guards on the team though, so some guys will have to be going out. Seems like Mann and Bones would be the most likely candidates to go in some sort of deal(s)

From a fit standpoint, pairing Harden with a defensive guard like Dunn to guard smaller and quicker guys and pairing KPJ's scoring off the bench with a true PG to run and organize the offense makes sense though.

This sets the team up to have a lot of playmaking. All their most recent seasons:
Harden: 8.9 ast/36
Dunn: 7.3 ast/36
KPJ: 6.0 ast/36
Jones: 9.0 ast/36

Could go from not having any reliable point guards before Harden to having two high level playmakers (Harden and Jones) and two other nice secondary playmakers and initiators (Dunn and Porter).
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Post#954 » by KL2 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:32 am

ejftw wrote:The Tyus speculation is head scratching......a consolidation Woj bomb/ShamWow tweet is what I'm waiting on I guess


They were interested in him before he was traded to Washington right?

That Woj bomb is going to come in the night. I’m always asleep when those hit.
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Post#955 » by og15 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:32 am

ejftw wrote:The Tyus speculation is head scratching......a consolidation Woj bomb/ShamWow tweet is what I'm waiting on I guess

Yea, definitely didn't see that coming.

If there's a way to move Mann and Bones (plus whatever contracts , hopefully somehow get rid of PJ) for a bigger forward (youngish) and Jones, it's nice.

Harden, Jones, Dunn, KPJ is a nice 1/2 rotation with all guys who can handle and create, and then a mix of defense, and shooting.
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Post#956 » by nickhx2 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:39 am

there's an irony in that the team seems to now want to be adding these these tyus jones/monte morris/kris dunn types, now that paul george is gone, since we woulda made the best of use of a solid, backup PG with everyone in tow.

you know, in comparison to the team catering vs the team-sabotaging moves that resulted in john wall and russell westbrook.

thanks, paul george!
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Post#957 » by og15 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 2:48 am

nickhx2 wrote:there's an irony in that the team seems to now want to be adding these these tyus jones/monte morris/kris dunn types, now that paul george is gone, since we woulda made the best of use of a solid, backup PG with everyone in tow.

you know, in comparison to the team catering vs the team-sabotaging moves that resulted in john wall and russell westbrook.

thanks, paul george!

Haha, even though the injuries would have still made it all for naught, the timing as well as actually having some contract flexibility makes any front office look smarter than having to work on the absolute margins.

But yea, the team needed solid point guards and playmaking WITH Paul George so he could do less of that, and it would have been great to have that when he was 30, 31, 32.

Still, in the end, Kawhi went out in the playoffs in PG's 30 year old season (Clippers likely make the finals and really could have won it all, Clippers could have guarded Giannis better than Phoenix). Kawhi missed all of PG's 31 year old season and PG barely played that season too, then Kawhi managed two playoff games in PG's 32 year old season, and PG was not healthy for the playoffs anyways due to Dort and needed the team to go further first to join them.

So while of course it would have been nice, they (the stars) wouldn't even had made use of the additional talent and pieces anyways :lol: :lol: :( :(
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Post#958 » by esqtvd » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:11 am

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Tyus Jones is a very nice rotation point guard, mentioned him a while back as a guy to get though that was in a hypothetical no Harden scenario.

A lot of guards on the team though, so some guys will have to be going out. Seems like Mann and Bones would be the most likely candidates to go in some sort of deal(s)

From a fit standpoint, pairing Harden with a defensive guard like Dunn to guard smaller and quicker guys and pairing KPJ's scoring off the bench with a true PG to run and organize the offense makes sense though.

This sets the team up to have a lot of playmaking. All their most recent seasons:
Harden: 8.9 ast/36
Dunn: 7.3 ast/36
KPJ: 6.0 ast/36
Jones: 9.0 ast/36

Could go from not having any reliable point guards before Harden to having two high level playmakers (Harden and Jones) and two other nice secondary playmakers and initiators (Dunn and Porter).


We had Dunn on our G-League team. We had first crack at him. No excuse for the FO to let him go elsewhere and now have to trade for him. Tyus Jones, not so much. He was an UFA but we wanted more from our backup PG than just being an actual backup PG.

Two areas the FO blew BIGTIME: a backup center [Hartenstein, now signed for 3 years/$87 million with OKC, and would have signed with us for 4 years/$36 million] and a true backup point guard [whoever], instead of a fading star or future star or somebody who can't fkng play it no matter how much you coach him up [Wall, Russ, Bones, Mann].

So yeah, let's get a backup point guard. After we get a backup center and a starting Power Foward.

I think this is why I get annoyed about blaming the coach and even some players. I still blame Ballmer for all this. I'm no basketball expert or visionary but I still don't understand how L-Frank and J-West didn't see all this coming. I think they did, but got overruled by the guy who signs the checks.
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Post#959 » by Ballings7 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:12 am

And Zach Lowe does go hard on the clippers, but I think he wants them to do well but they keep failing him, and then he doesn't want to set expectations too high again, and because of Kawhi.. someimes he is just overly brash and ignorant, though.


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Tyus Jones is a very nice rotation point guard, mentioned him a while back as a guy to get though that was in a hypothetical no Harden scenario.

A lot of guards on the team though, so some guys will have to be going out. Seems like Mann and Bones would be the most likely candidates to go in some sort of deal(s)

From a fit standpoint, pairing Harden with a defensive guard like Dunn to guard smaller and quicker guys and pairing KPJ's scoring off the bench with a true PG to run and organize the offense makes sense though.

This sets the team up to have a lot of playmaking. All their most recent seasons:
Harden: 8.9 ast/36
Dunn: 7.3 ast/36
KPJ: 6.0 ast/36
Jones: 9.0 ast/36

Could go from not having any reliable point guards before Harden to having two high level playmakers (Harden and Jones) and two other nice secondary playmakers and initiators (Dunn and Porter).



og15 wrote:
ejftw wrote:The Tyus speculation is head scratching......a consolidation Woj bomb/ShamWow tweet is what I'm waiting on I guess

Yea, definitely didn't see that coming.

If there's a way to move Mann and Bones (plus whatever contracts , hopefully somehow get rid of PJ) for a bigger forward (youngish) and Jones, it's nice.

Harden, Jones, Dunn, KPJ is a nice 1/2 rotation with all guys who can handle and create, and then a mix of defense, and shooting.


Agreed.
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Re: An early summer 2024 thread 

Post#960 » by KL2 » Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:29 am

Sure hope a trade can open up a roster spot for Miler.

Brown has done a lot of right things but had a mostly rough night.

Diabate has been active and looks more comfortable. A battle between him and Jones could get interesting.

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