Summer League 2024, Multi-Game Thread – Celtics finish 2-3, in Vegas

[Fierce1]

I believe Brad drafted Bay and Anton because they're a good fit and NBA ready.

What's not to like?

[playa-hater]

430 on a Friday ! damn that start time.. Someone tell Scheierman that if he mises a 3, fine.. But one more airball from 3, he's done... Grounded to the G-League for eternity..

[cl2117]

Should have drafted filipowski. scheirman looks super slow . I think Zvi was good off the bench

I'm happy with Scheierman but I think you could be right about Filipowski. I had him and Baylor roughly equal in terms of draft value, flip a coin type situation, but Filipowski felt like he fit a much bigger need.

KP has never been the picture of health and is out until January already, it would make sense to me to get the poor man's version in Filipowski as a developmental option plus injury insurance. Brad obviously thinks he can get that with our current guys, and there's some solid talent there so he might be able to, but Filipowski just seems like such a natural fit behind KP given his archetype (at least offensively).

Scheierman is still a good get though. His defense has looked better every game and even though the shot isn't falling, he does appear to have a really good feel for the game so should eventually provide you more than just three point shooting.

Watson could end up better than them both anyway. It's all a crapshoot.

It's somewhat of a crap shoot.

But just for fun, here's 3 big boards by folks on Draft Twitter:
https://mavsdraft.com/2024-nba-draft-big-board/

https://upsideswings.com/stones-24-big-board

https://chuckingdarts.substack.com/p/2024-nba-draft-dart-board-understanding?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

If you average out the rankings from these 3 big boards, here are the average rankings for each of the 3 guys you mention:

Filipowski: 25.0
Scheierman: 31.0
Watson: 31.6

Very close..

And those guys probably weren't factoring in the "intel" on Filipowski that caused to fall into the 2nd round (played poorly in pre-draft workouts, didn't interview well with teams, some concerns about his girlfriend who is like 6 yrs older than him, who he started dating when he was only like 17)..If you factor that stuff in to those rankings, then all 3 players are basically even..

I'm surprised Watson was so high on those boards, I've seen a few where he was going undrafted. Really big swings for that guy, but I think even on the draft boards that ranked him low he was usually mentioned as a sleeper/favorite pick of the 2nd round type guy, so clearly people were clued into him potentially being better than he'd be drafted.

But yeah, especially with them all basically being even, I'm surprised we didn't go for the guy who ostensibly fits the roster needs much better in Flip if it's effectively a toss-up in terms of talent/draft value.

I guess it'll come down to whether KP can stay healthy and/or if they decide Hauser is going to be too expensive. If KP can't stay healthy, I think we'll look back and wish we had Flip. If KP stays healthy, then I think you can't go wrong with either. If KP stays healthy and Sam walks, then Baylor was 100% the right choice. Only time will tell.

I like Scheierman but the two guys I’ve heard really intriguing SL reports on have been Furphy and Mogbo so those are the two “what if’s” for me, more so than Flip, even acknowledging the positional need/fit as you mentioned.

But… we shall see … Baylor has shown some stuff, I’m not out on him

Furphy is a great shout as a "what if". He and Baylor are relatively similar players, just with a huge age gap. It'll be interesting to see how they both develop.

I would have been tempted to go with Furphy if the expectation is that whomever we brought in was going to be riding the pine regardless. Give him some time to properly develop and potentially reach his ceiling, which I think is a good bit higher than Scheierman's. But if Brad felt like we needed more NBA ready options, Baylor is definitely the right answer.

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I'm happy with Scheierman but I think you could be right about Filipowski. I had him and Baylor roughly equal in terms of draft value, flip a coin type situation, but Filipowski felt like he fit a much bigger need.

KP has never been the picture of health and is out until January already, it would make sense to me to get the poor man's version in Filipowski as a developmental option plus injury insurance. Brad obviously thinks he can get that with our current guys, and there's some solid talent there so he might be able to, but Filipowski just seems like such a natural fit behind KP given his archetype (at least offensively).

Scheierman is still a good get though. His defense has looked better every game and even though the shot isn't falling, he does appear to have a really good feel for the game so should eventually provide you more than just three point shooting.

Watson could end up better than them both anyway. It's all a crapshoot.

It's somewhat of a crap shoot.

But just for fun, here's 3 big boards by folks on Draft Twitter:
https://mavsdraft.com/2024-nba-draft-big-board/

https://upsideswings.com/stones-24-big-board

https://chuckingdarts.substack.com/p/2024-nba-draft-dart-board-understanding?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=true

If you average out the rankings from these 3 big boards, here are the average rankings for each of the 3 guys you mention:

Filipowski: 25.0
Scheierman: 31.0
Watson: 31.6

Very close..

And those guys probably weren't factoring in the "intel" on Filipowski that caused to fall into the 2nd round (played poorly in pre-draft workouts, didn't interview well with teams, some concerns about his girlfriend who is like 6 yrs older than him, who he started dating when he was only like 17)..If you factor that stuff in to those rankings, then all 3 players are basically even..

I'm surprised Watson was so high on those boards, I've seen a few where he was going undrafted. Really big swings for that guy, but I think even on the draft boards that ranked him low he was usually mentioned as a sleeper/favorite pick of the 2nd round type guy, so clearly people were clued into him potentially being better than he'd be drafted.

But yeah, especially with them all basically being even, I'm surprised we didn't go for the guy who ostensibly fits the roster needs much better in Flip if it's effectively a toss-up in terms of talent/draft value.

I guess it'll come down to whether KP can stay healthy and/or if they decide Hauser is going to be too expensive. If KP can't stay healthy, I think we'll look back and wish we had Flip. If KP stays healthy, then I think you can't go wrong with either. If KP stays healthy and Sam walks, then Baylor was 100% the right choice. Only time will tell.

I like Scheierman but the two guys I’ve heard really intriguing SL reports on have been Furphy and Mogbo so those are the two “what if’s” for me, more so than Flip, even acknowledging the positional need/fit as you mentioned.

But… we shall see … Baylor has shown some stuff, I’m not out on him

Furphy is a great shout as a "what if". He and Baylor are relatively similar players, just with a huge age gap. It'll be interesting to see how they both develop.

I would have been tempted to go with Furphy if the expectation is that whomever we brought in was going to be riding the pine regardless. Give him some time to properly develop and potentially reach his ceiling, which I think is a good bit higher than Scheierman's. But if Brad felt like we needed more NBA ready options, Baylor is definitely the right answer.

Yeah it does seem like a pretty clear strategy this season that Brad was targeting older prospects. We brought in about 40 guys for a pre-draft workout..most of them were older (like 22 or 23).

If we just look at the 4 players you mentioned, listed with their age on draft night:
Scheierman - 23.75
Watson - 23.70
Filipowski - 20.62
Furphy - 19.54

From that group, 2 of them are much older than the other 2. And 1 of them (Furphy) is over a year younger than the other 3 players.

The 2 older ones are the guys the Celtics drafted. Not only are they the 2 guys the Celtics drafted, but they are the ones who BOS brought in for a pre-draft workout. Not only did BOS pass on Filipowski and Furphy, but they didn't even bring either of them in for a workout.

I would also add that part of Brad's thinking may have been this:
Scheierman: older guy, some defense and athleticism concerns but the dude is a knock down shooter, was one of the best players in college basketball, great work ethic, great kid, high IQ, can rebound. We've literally seen that type of player work really well here in Boston (Hauser) and in Miami (Duncan Robinson) and other places (Joe Ingles, Joe Harris, Fontecchio..to a lesser extent Luke Kennard, Kevin Huerter since they were a little younger etc.). Maybe not the highest ceiling but very high floor, low risk pick

Watson: older guy and a guy who played 5 years at a college that churns out NBA talent and all the NBA guys who come from that program are high IQ, high character, high fundamental players so maybe not a high ceiling but very high floor with size, shooting potential, defensive versatility and extremely high FG% at the rim. You look at his size, and his game and it's a similar archetype to guys like Brandon Clarke, Xavier Tillman, Horford, Grant Williams, Kyle Anderson, Larry Nance Jr, Paul Millsap and Aaron Gordon. All these guys are good role players, good glue guys, winning players.

Filipowski: younger so more of a dice roll. Also some off court concerns with the sketchy girlfriend situation, had some effort/motor issues in college. And what exactly is his archetype in the NBA? He can kind of shoot but is by no means a great shooter. The defense is ok in terms of defending in space and the rim protection is just ok but no one would call him a plus defender and it's hard to project him as a plus defender. So the offense has to be really good but the shooter isn't that good..but he needs to be a floor spacer, stretch big type to be a good role player in the league? If the shooting doesn't become really good (like Olynyk and Vucevic level good) then what is Filipowski, is he like Moe Wagner but with less toughness/physicality?

Furphy: younger so more of a dice roll. Has basically zero ability to put the ball on the floor in the half court. Had like less drives per game than any wing in the draft class. So on offense he can't drive..and he also isn't very much of a passer. So he needs to be *elite* as a shooter but he's not. He's a good shooter but definitely not elite. And on defense he is not very good..one of the worst defenders in the class..partly because he's *very* skinny. So he's a 3&D wing but can't defend and the shooting is good but definitely not elite. Seems like a project, especially with how young he is..and has to get stronger..if the shooting doesn't improve to be an elite level, than what is Furphy? What's his archetype? Skinny guy who struggles to defend but can shoot fairly well - I guess that is kind of like Davis Bertans?

[phincsfan]

I don't think Flipowski has the toughness for the NBA game. IMO, that will be the weakness that shows why he dropped out of the 1st rd.

[djFan71]

3 guys I liked at 54, Keshad Johnson, Jalen Bridges and Trey Alexander all seem to be doing good as UDFAs. I like Watson as well, though. And, we didn't really have attractive UDFA slots, but I always want to sign all the guys, lol. But, I really liked those 3.

[Parliament10]

[Parliament10]

ESPN Boxscore:
https://www.espn.com/nba-summer-league/boxscore/_/gameId/401686870/league/nba-summer-las-vegas

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[Parliament10]

J. House gets the Start.

[cloverleaf]

Looks like they're missing Davison.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Walsh is like a putrefying piece of meat left at 100 degree temperature in Turkey for 2 weeks
while the maggots hatch...

[darrendaye]

Looks like they're missing Davison.

Not bringing Peterson back is questionable....

[Parliament10]

House, with the 3.

I wonder where he learned that from?

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

BAYLOR BLAST!

[Parliament10]

Looks like they're missing Davison.

How unfortunate. Lol

We need to Waive Davison.

[cloverleaf]

Good to see Scheierman hit early.

[Parliament10]

Looks like they're missing Davison.

Not bringing Peterson back is questionable....

Yeah. Peterson should be playing.
How many guys do they have sitting?

[165bows]

Looks like they're missing Davison.

Not bringing Peterson back is questionable....

Whew looks like the D team is playing today.

[Parliament10]

House has some spunk.
I like this Kid.