Moderators: Inigo Montoya, FJS
red4hf wrote:
Need roster spots? Or just the date by which their contracts were becoming guaranteed?
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:The only thing Windy says is that the Jazz are refusing to use their cap space to maximize their cap space, but it's unclear what exactly is happening.
They're obviously going to give the full $24m to Markkanen, but they still have like 10-12m in cap space left over after that but they're telling teams that they will not take any salary dumps for picks (eg, like the Harrison Barnes dump where the Spurs got a 2031 swap)
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
Inigo Montoya wrote:The Hoop Collective are talking about the Jazz (time stamped, starting at 34:10)
Cappy_Smurf wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:The Hoop Collective are talking about the Jazz (time stamped, starting at 34:10)
These guys are kind of clueless. Utah is absolutely NOT going to try force Lauri to sign on Aug. 6th. If Lauri signs on the 7th in order to not be traded this year, that is good news for Utah. They want him to prefer staying in Utah because they absolutely do not want to go into a long term rebuild, regardless of how many people think that's the only way to do it.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Cappy_Smurf wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:The Hoop Collective are talking about the Jazz (time stamped, starting at 34:10)
These guys are kind of clueless. Utah is absolutely NOT going to try force Lauri to sign on Aug. 6th. If Lauri signs on the 7th in order to not be traded this year, that is good news for Utah. They want him to prefer staying in Utah because they absolutely do not want to go into a long term rebuild, regardless of how many people think that's the only way to do it.
Detail the potential paths where the Jazz become WCF+ contenders in the next four years.
AingesBurner wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:Cappy_Smurf wrote:
These guys are kind of clueless. Utah is absolutely NOT going to try force Lauri to sign on Aug. 6th. If Lauri signs on the 7th in order to not be traded this year, that is good news for Utah. They want him to prefer staying in Utah because they absolutely do not want to go into a long term rebuild, regardless of how many people think that's the only way to do it.
Detail the potential paths where the Jazz become WCF+ contenders in the next four years.
You can’t detail an unknown… We could trade all Veterans except Lauri and Collins to improve into the top 5 of 25 picks. An unhappy Veteran becomes available next summer.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:AingesBurner wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:
Detail the potential paths where the Jazz become WCF+ contenders in the next four years.
You can’t detail an unknown… We could trade all Veterans except Lauri and Collins to improve into the top 5 of 25 picks. An unhappy Veteran becomes available next summer.
You absolutely can detail an unknown!
Someone who goes to college can be like "I'll probably be able to get a job in industry X, Y, Z if I get degree A, internships B, and grades C."
They can make that projection based on history etc.
Name the unhappy vet that could possibly be available that could make any sense.
If it's Booker, Mitchell, Luka, or Giannis, they are not coming to Utah.
The issue is very much that this plan makes no sense. Paul George was the unhappy vet this year who left his team and he didn't bother to give Utah a meeting because why would he
AingesBurner wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:AingesBurner wrote:
You can’t detail an unknown… We could trade all Veterans except Lauri and Collins to improve into the top 5 of 25 picks. An unhappy Veteran becomes available next summer.
You absolutely can detail an unknown!
Someone who goes to college can be like "I'll probably be able to get a job in industry X, Y, Z if I get degree A, internships B, and grades C."
They can make that projection based on history etc.
Name the unhappy vet that could possibly be available that could make any sense.
If it's Booker, Mitchell, Luka, or Giannis, they are not coming to Utah.
The issue is very much that this plan makes no sense. Paul George was the unhappy vet this year who left his team and he didn't bother to give Utah a meeting because why would he
You are trying to use history in a chaotic environment… The NBA is a VUCA world. If we are going to use history as our basis, history says that Wemby will be injured and out of the league in 4-5 years because there have been no superstars taller than 7’4”…
HadAnEffectHere wrote:AingesBurner wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:
You absolutely can detail an unknown!
Someone who goes to college can be like "I'll probably be able to get a job in industry X, Y, Z if I get degree A, internships B, and grades C."
They can make that projection based on history etc.
Name the unhappy vet that could possibly be available that could make any sense.
If it's Booker, Mitchell, Luka, or Giannis, they are not coming to Utah.
The issue is very much that this plan makes no sense. Paul George was the unhappy vet this year who left his team and he didn't bother to give Utah a meeting because why would he
You are trying to use history in a chaotic environment… The NBA is a VUCA world. If we are going to use history as our basis, history says that Wemby will be injured and out of the league in 4-5 years because there have been no superstars taller than 7’4”…
I mean, that is possible, yes and much more possible than any star wanting to come to Utah or Utah paying more than any other team would for a star.
Like, name a guy and create the narrative of how he ends up in Utah over everywhere else. How could it happen?
Because the last two years have been a series of
1. Star becomes available
2a. Jazz are outbid for star
OR
2b. Star tells Utah he would never sign with the Jazz long-term and Jazz refuse to trade for star because of fear he'll walk in free agency.
The Jazz are like 0/5 on near star trades and seemingly haven't even come close on any of them. There's been 0 major stars that have been moved in a while as well.
AingesBurner wrote:HadAnEffectHere wrote:AingesBurner wrote:
You are trying to use history in a chaotic environment… The NBA is a VUCA world. If we are going to use history as our basis, history says that Wemby will be injured and out of the league in 4-5 years because there have been no superstars taller than 7’4”…
I mean, that is possible, yes and much more possible than any star wanting to come to Utah or Utah paying more than any other team would for a star.
Like, name a guy and create the narrative of how he ends up in Utah over everywhere else. How could it happen?
Because the last two years have been a series of
1. Star becomes available
2a. Jazz are outbid for star
OR
2b. Star tells Utah he would never sign with the Jazz long-term and Jazz refuse to trade for star because of fear he'll walk in free agency.
The Jazz are like 0/5 on near star trades and seemingly haven't even come close on any of them. There's been 0 major stars that have been moved in a while as well.
The 2nd apron never existed until new CBA and that changes things. Utahs way to a superstar is trading for a European star. Europeans are less adverse to playing in Utah because SLC is much closer to mimicking a Euro city than LA or NYC.
The 2nd apron will change the dynamics of team building in the NBA.
SoCalJazzFan wrote:If I am not mistaken, the Jazz sit at 13 players once Flip is signed (and also Eubanks and Williams and Collier if they haven't yet).
Locke has been throwing Okoro's name around a lot recently. Would the Jazz do a sign and trade (JC?) for him, or sign him outright? Okoro has an $11.8M player option, and has rejected the Cavs contract offers (rumored to be $8-$10M, but nobody knows for sure).
If not Okoro, who?
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
Inigo Montoya wrote:Why are we trying to make this team better? Just roll with what we have and tank hard.
HadAnEffectHere wrote:Inigo Montoya wrote:Why are we trying to make this team better? Just roll with what we have and tank hard.
The only way we can tank hard is if Hendricks and Keyonte are just awful this year.
Which they probably will be, but you have to have very little belief in Keyonte or Hendricks at all to think this team can tank that well. Players that eventually become good aren't just catastrophically bad their 2nd seasons.
Like, the Jazz's starting lineup next year should be
Keyonte
Sexton
Hendricks
Markkanen
Kessler
If Keyonte and Hendricks are NBA caliber... This team is fine?
I have no belief whatsoever in Keyonte or Hendricks, but if you think they're future building blocks, you should expect them to be NBA caliber this year.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.