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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Horst Interview page 36 

Post#741 » by BroncoBuck » Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:46 am

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Sure, those are his good traits, now list his bad traits. He's a massive liability to transition defense, forcing the Bucks to game plan and limit where his is on the floor offensively. He get absolutely lit up from the 3 point line come playoff time consistently. He's too slow to be a threat as a roll man. He refuses to post up. He's not switchable.

Versus the Pacers, the Bucks were 20 points/100 worse defensively with Brook on the floor.

That number becomes even more awestriking when you realize Bobby Portis was the center when Brook sat.

If the Bucks defense can put up a 106 defensivee rating versus the high powered Pacers offense with out Giannis, and Portis at center, then I dont think it will be a difficult task to find an actual center (not Portis) to replace Brook.


No one gives a **** about a few games versus the Pacers without the Bucks best player.


Brook was one of the only players holding down for stretches. He still holds down the paint & boxes out. Puts the ball in the basket.

The weakest link was Malik, not Brook.


He’s coming off one of the most pitiful rebounding performances in recent playoffs history. In a series without Giannis he simply did not rebound the ball. Brook does not box out like he used to. He’s noticeably reluctant to get aggressive in the paint. When he does go down there he gets frustrated and starts calling for fouls. He does not punish teams who play small ball against him nearly enough. Brook’s shooting doesn’t carry the same weight in this offense when you replace Jrue with Dame. It’s a great luxury to have, but you’re paying the Brook tax on the other end when he’s dropping and the other team is launching open 3’s.

The truth is there isn’t a market for Brook at his salary with the new apron rules. The teams who want him (Lakers) aren’t going to offer much for him because they are bidding against themselves for a 37 year old center.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Horst Interview page 36 

Post#742 » by -Jragon- » Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:21 am

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Neuromancer56 wrote:I can't believe Doc and Horst are so high on Brook. I say trade him while you still can get something for him. He's just too slow and unplayable too much of the time, especially in the playoffs. Does anyone think that maybe Horst was BS'ing just to keep Brook happy, and was shopping him all over the place but nobody wanted to give us anything for him?


for the money....its theoretically possible hes our second most important buck. if somebody swore differently i wouldnt be convinced


Right.. if there is someone redundant that can't play a lick of D in the rotation -- trade THAT guy. That's not Brook.. we don't even have another 7 footer: furthermore he was within the past few years in DPOY discussions... last year our MAIN problem was slow, out of position wing defense and coaching either not adjusting or being too hands off.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Horst Interview page 36 

Post#743 » by pifhluk23 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:48 am

Brook gets cooked a lot in the playoffs. Against Boston he can only be on the floor against Horford but even then Horford is dragging him out of the paint. NY is a nightmare matchup for him. Philly might be the only series where he is useful. We desperately need a replacement for him even if it's just some tall young raw guy who can at least move his feet.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Horst Interview page 36 

Post#744 » by Frank Nova » Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:25 pm

Fotis St wrote:Frank Nova .... I saw what you did with the Knicks there ... Robinson ain't starting neither closes games with em. Randle is their Center and Hart starts at SG ... no way Hart and Donte are both benched.

Brunson/Hart/Bridges/Anunoby/Randle
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This looks way more scary.


Yeah no doubt. I was just going more based on a standard starting 5 for the 8 teams in the East that made the playoffs last year and then their next best 3 for the playoffs essentially. But you’re right about NYKs closing lineup, it wouldn’t have Robinson just like we most likely wouldn’t have Brook on the floor either.

I still like the Bucks matchup vs NYK, I’m not scared of anyone in the league. If the Bucks are healthy, they’re the team to beat this season.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Horst Interview page 36 

Post#745 » by raferfenix » Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:25 pm

pifhluk23 wrote:We desperately need a replacement for him even if it's just some tall young raw guy who can at least move his feet.


…or just go with Giannis?

Khris or Prince or acquisition TBD guards the 4 instead of Bobby.

Brook doesn’t work in all matchups but few do. Keeping him isn’t mutually exclusive from having a better plan for that.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Horst Interview page 36 

Post#746 » by Milbucks96 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:14 pm

I feel like we always need Brook in bad matchups for him because of his scoring and rim protection. Sometimes because of roster construction and others because of injuries. 21 finals was great because we were able to sit Brook and get enough shooting/scoring from Bobby and Pat, and then PJ was great at the 4 for Gianni’s 5 lineups.

With health, we should have enough scoring and shooting to be able to sit Brook in later rounds if the playoffs.
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Re: Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Horst Interview page 36 

Post#747 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:21 pm

I'm just out here hoping/praying that Brook will take the Al Horford discount extension (2-yrs $20 million) next offseason.

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Post#748 » by BroncoBuck » Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:29 pm

I don’t really think you need Brook for a Philly matchup. Embiid has trouble with undersized guys who can pick him up on the outside and get low and swipe at the ball. Putting a true big on him plays into his skillset, especially when Brook drops and Embiid is allowed to get his shots up.
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Post#749 » by BroncoBuck » Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:32 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'm just out here hoping/praying that Brook will take the Al Horford discount extension (2-yrs $20 million) next offseason.

:dontknow:


I wish he would’ve taken closer to that last time instead of chasing a bag. If he would’ve been in that 10-15 million range this year instead of 23 it’s not an issue.
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Post#750 » by Jez2983 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 2:36 pm

blazza18 wrote:Kinda criminal that we haven't tried to find a Brook replacement yet. Or at least someone who can fill in and give him off nights. Dude is 36 years old.


Agreed, but it also shows how hard it is to find those guys. Probably also references the challenge of building around Giannis as your other big.
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Post#751 » by bdpecore » Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:30 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:Brook should've been shopped in 2022. Very good player and person for this team but when the better teams go small it's death by a thousand cuts with drop defense. No shame in quietly exploring options this season.

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The only reason Bucks fans feel like we need to replace Brook is because Giannis has been injured the last two postseasons. If he's healthy, you don't need to play Brook when the opposition goes small as we can slide Giannis to the 5. Now that we've also added Prince, their potential small ball lineup is even more switchable defensively (Dame, GTJ/Wright, Midds, Prince, Giannis). If they prefer more rebounding and/or scoring, Doc can swap out Prince for Bobby.

People need to remember we have the necessary players to match up in small ball situations but also have the roster to go big if we want (Wright, Midds, Prince, Giannis, Lopez).
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Post#752 » by bdpecore » Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:37 pm

Fotis St wrote:Frank Nova .... I saw what you did with the Knicks there ... Robinson ain't starting neither closes games with em. Randle is their Center and Hart starts at SG ... no way Hart and Donte are both benched.

Brunson/Hart/Bridges/Anunoby/Randle
DDV, Robinson,Payne

This looks way more scary.

The Knicks will only go as far as Brunson can take them as their remaining "star players" (OG, Mikal, Randle) are not on the same level as Milwaukee and Philly. For them to make a deep run in the playoffs one of those three needs to be dominant in the playoffs which I'm not willing to bank on. All three are capable of having big games but none have ever dominated for an entire playoff series.
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Post#753 » by bdpecore » Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:20 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:I'm just out here hoping/praying that Brook will take the Al Horford discount extension (2-yrs $20 million) next offseason.

:dontknow:


I wish he would’ve taken closer to that last time instead of chasing a bag. If he would’ve been in that 10-15 million range this year instead of 23 it’s not an issue.

I don't think it's an issue now based on the fact Horst was still able to improve our roster while being a 2nd apron team. Brook's salary should drop next year and Pat C will be in the final year of his deal which makes him much easier to move. Milwaukee is in a position to afford paying the luxury tax and willing to do so while their championship window remains open. I think Milwaukee would be significantly worse off right now if we allowed Brook to sign with Houston.
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Post#754 » by raferfenix » Mon Jul 29, 2024 4:40 pm

Yes Horst traded Holiday but that was for Dame.

I don't think he'd come out this strongly for Brook if the team were willing to trade him for less than a can't miss return.

First of all, rumors and chatter are what makes the league so interesting and so fun, so people are always going to speculate and talk about it. And I typically don’t talk about any of this stuff with the media, but I will say, because Brook is so core to who we are, we have zero intentions of trading Brook. Of course he has value around the league. That’s a credit to him. But we’ve not engaged in any real conversations about trading Brook. There are teams that have a lot of value and interest in him. It’s my job to take calls, receive calls, have conversations, but Brook has been and will continue to be core to who we are.

I hope that Brook retires as a Milwaukee Buck. That’s been the goal since we originally got him. His impact on our team defensively and rebounding is elite. It only gets better. It’s not declining. I mean, he’s an anomaly in how he just continues to get better and better and better. For Doc, who got to spend time with Brook personally last year, Brook holds an incredible value for Doc for what he does defensively and rebounding and offensively, the spacing he gives us, and especially Giannis, is unique. People are going to always speculate and have conversations and they’ll think they know what they’re talking about, but at the end of the day, we have zero interest or intention of trading Brook Lopez. He’s a core part of our team. We’ve got a starting group now that we think is as good as anybody and we look forward to seeing how this team plays throughout the year.


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Post#755 » by yb90 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 5:40 pm

If Horst traded Pat to open up the tmle for Precious Achiuwa it could solve all of the Bucks potential problems. He could reduce Lopez minutes sown to the 25 min range and be that mobile big the Bucks might need come playoff time. I also think Lopez is needed for teams like Philly, Boston, Orlando, and Cleveland.
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Post#756 » by Dick Tate » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:09 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'm just out here hoping/praying that Brook will take the Al Horford discount extension (2-yrs $20 million) next offseason.

:dontknow:

If Horst is talking about Brook retiring as a Buck, i'm guessing a follow-up deal like this was already discussed and agreed to last summer.
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Post#757 » by Dick Tate » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:12 pm

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Post#758 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:35 pm

other than that one year we had from bogut, and maybe a lanier and sikma debate....brooks been giving us the best weve had in 50 years.

horst said he seems just to get better and better and i agree wholeheartedly. god knows hes the toughest guy around here to hurt or miss games on a team where thats been the biggest struggle and will remain so indefinitely.

hes just a massive building block here and a few more seasons i could see his jersey even retired

discount deals to him and khris with pat and bobbys deals in play is how we remain in contention. a short term fix of trading him for bits and cash is a hail mary i have literally zero interest in. it wouldnt improve us measurably in any way that would compensate the massive hole we'd create if he wasnt around
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Post#759 » by pifhluk23 » Mon Jul 29, 2024 6:55 pm

You guys must be watching different games then me. Brook gets absolutely roasted against any team that has a guard that can hit a midrange and/or any big that can shoot a 3.
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Post#760 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:10 pm

pifhluk23 wrote:You guys must be watching different games then me. Brook gets absolutely roasted against any team that has a guard that can hit a midrange and/or any big that can shoot a 3.


all bigs struggle with both those things and its why basketball games involve so much scoring.

if a matchup goes particularly awry the countermove is going small but then you give up rebounding, the rim, and a guy like giannis would take an absolute physical beating every single night.

the answer is keeping teams on their heels having to make multiple adjustments thru a game and brook is a back line chess piece for that.

for me now no discussion about lopez is complete if you arent discussing what he can take away from other teams. we saw the year he was out how desperate we were to have what he brings and paid a high price for it. but a guy that can almost singlehandedly force teams to try and rain 3s or shoot pullup midrange jumpers without crushing your offense is exactly why a gobert or lopez or embiid will always have a place on all nba defensive teams..... and the defensive metrics of their teams often back it up year after year

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