Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[JayTWill]

Yes, he will look great in his Middleton role giving us 17-19 PPG with good effiency and lockdown defense

I agree Mikal would be a great 3rd option in a more 3 and D role especially since Randle can't fill that role but why use Khris Middleton, a guy who averaged 20 points as a second option and late game closer on a contender for a 5 year stretch and actually won a championship as an example to why Mikal should be a 3rd option? I know you like to troll sometimes but are you serious?

I've used the term Khris Middleton Lite for Mikal's role on this Knicks team a bunch of times. Not sure if you know what lite means but I suggest you googling it so you can have a better understanding of it.

Also, Middleton wasn't primarily the 2nd option for the Bucks for 5 years.

Here's a couple years of other Bucks players other than Giannis who had a higher usage rate than Middleton in the playoffs.

2019 Post Season: Bledsoe's usage: 24.3. Middleton: 21.1
2022 Post season: Holiday's usage: 26.5. Middleton: 21.9
2024 Post season: Dame's usage: 31.2. Middleton: 28.2 (higher than usual due to injuries to Dame)

Middleton is literally the 3rd option on a Bucks team right now. So your whole point is pretty moot. Were you being serious?

I was responding to your quote about Mikal in the Middleton role not some Middleton-lite role. Also usage rate is not a direct indicator of a player's hierarchy as a scorer in the offense or how long the ball is in their hands. It is calculation using how a possession ends whether it be a field goal attempt, free throw attempt, turnover while the player is on the floor. Style of play and skillset can affect usage rate.

Alecs Burks averaged 13.5mpg, 6.5 points, .9 assists and .7 turnovers on terrible efficiency but outside of Brunson he was by far the highest usage rate player on the team after his arrival. Maybe Channel would be willing to concede that MJ Burks' greatness took a backseat to Brunson last year but I don't think anyone else would call him the team's second option in that period. He was out of the rotation by the end of the year.

2019 Postseason only Giannis and Middleton averaged over 30 minutes per game and they were 2 top in scoring and assists.

They won the championship in 2021 with Middleton as the clear second option to Giannis and closer with Holiday on the team.

In 2022 he was injured in game 2 of the playoffs missing the next 10 games and the rest of the postseason putting a larger load on Holiday. I don't know how that would have played out if he were healthy but I would have considered Middleton to be the
2nd option in the regular season or at worst 2a/2b with Holiday.

In 2024 I did not consider the Bucks to be a true contender and Middleton has started to show some slippage. It is part of the reason they gambled on trading Holiday for Lillard. I was actually referring to 2018-2022 but even in 2023 with Giannis getting injured he was clearly ahead of Holiday as the 2nd option taking the #1 option with Giannis out.

I wasn't sure if you were saying you would not take prime Khris Middleton as a second option over Randle but now I assume you wouldn't based on your thoughts about his usage rate and your belief that he was not the Bucks second option for at least 5 years.

[3toheadmelo]

I agree Mikal would be a great 3rd option in a more 3 and D role especially since Randle can't fill that role but why use Khris Middleton, a guy who averaged 20 points as a second option and late game closer on a contender for a 5 year stretch and actually won a championship as an example to why Mikal should be a 3rd option? I know you like to troll sometimes but are you serious?

I've used the term Khris Middleton Lite for Mikal's role on this Knicks team a bunch of times. Not sure if you know what lite means but I suggest you googling it so you can have a better understanding of it.

Also, Middleton wasn't primarily the 2nd option for the Bucks for 5 years.

Here's a couple years of other Bucks players other than Giannis who had a higher usage rate than Middleton in the playoffs.

2019 Post Season: Bledsoe's usage: 24.3. Middleton: 21.1
2022 Post season: Holiday's usage: 26.5. Middleton: 21.9
2024 Post season: Dame's usage: 31.2. Middleton: 28.2 (higher than usual due to injuries to Dame)

Middleton is literally the 3rd option on a Bucks team right now. So your whole point is pretty moot. Were you being serious?

I was responding to your quote about Mikal in the Middleton role not some Middleton-lite role. Also usage rate is not a direct indicator of a player's hierarchy as a scorer in the offense or how long the ball is in their hands. It is calculation using how a possession ends whether it be a field goal attempt, free throw attempt, turnover or an assist while the player is on the floor. Style of play and skillset can affect usage rate.

Alecs Burks averaged 13.5mpg, 6.5 points, .9 assists and .7 turnovers on terrible efficiency but outside of Brunson he was by far the highest usage rate player on the team after his arrival. Maybe Channel would be willing to concede that MJ Burks' greatness took a backseat to Brunson last year but I don't think anyone else would call him the team's second option in that period. He was out of the rotation by the end of the year.

2019 Postseason only Giannis and Middleton averaged over 30 minutes per game and they were 2 top in scoring and assists.

They won the championship in 2021 with Middleton as the clear second option to Giannis and closer with Holiday on the team.

In 2022 he was injured in game 2 of the playoffs missing the next 10 games and the rest of the postseason putting a larger load on Holiday. I don't know how that would have played out if he were healthy but I would have considered Middleton to be the
2nd option in the regular season or at worst 2a/2b with Holiday.

In 2024 I did not consider the Bucks to be a true contender and Middleton has started to show some slippage. It is part of the reason they gambled on trading Holiday for Lillard. I was actually referring to 2018-2022 but even in 2023 with Giannis getting injured he was clearly ahead of Holiday as the 2nd option taking the #1 option with Giannis out.

I wasn't sure if you were saying you would not take prime Khris Middleton as a second option over Randle but now I assume you wouldn't based on your thoughts about his usage rate and your belief that he was not the Bucks second option for at least 5 years.

You're referring to the stretch of games where Randle and OG was out. Yeah Burks was trying to act like our 2nd option and took every shot opportunity he had which made him fall out of the rotation.

You're basically proving my point by calling Middleton a 2B player. That's essentially a 3rd option. So yes, he had some years where he was a clear 2nd option (I never said otherwise), some years while he wasn't. So I don't really get where you're going with this. It just seems like you want to argue about nothing

[Chanel Bomber]

I've used the term Khris Middleton Lite for Mikal's role on this Knicks team a bunch of times. Not sure if you know what lite means but I suggest you googling it so you can have a better understanding of it.

Also, Middleton wasn't primarily the 2nd option for the Bucks for 5 years.

Here's a couple years of other Bucks players other than Giannis who had a higher usage rate than Middleton in the playoffs.

2019 Post Season: Bledsoe's usage: 24.3. Middleton: 21.1
2022 Post season: Holiday's usage: 26.5. Middleton: 21.9
2024 Post season: Dame's usage: 31.2. Middleton: 28.2 (higher than usual due to injuries to Dame)

Middleton is literally the 3rd option on a Bucks team right now. So your whole point is pretty moot. Were you being serious?

I was responding to your quote about Mikal in the Middleton role not some Middleton-lite role. Also usage rate is not a direct indicator of a player's hierarchy as a scorer in the offense or how long the ball is in their hands. It is calculation using how a possession ends whether it be a field goal attempt, free throw attempt, turnover or an assist while the player is on the floor. Style of play and skillset can affect usage rate.

Alecs Burks averaged 13.5mpg, 6.5 points, .9 assists and .7 turnovers on terrible efficiency but outside of Brunson he was by far the highest usage rate player on the team after his arrival. Maybe Channel would be willing to concede that MJ Burks' greatness took a backseat to Brunson last year but I don't think anyone else would call him the team's second option in that period. He was out of the rotation by the end of the year.

2019 Postseason only Giannis and Middleton averaged over 30 minutes per game and they were 2 top in scoring and assists.

They won the championship in 2021 with Middleton as the clear second option to Giannis and closer with Holiday on the team.

In 2022 he was injured in game 2 of the playoffs missing the next 10 games and the rest of the postseason putting a larger load on Holiday. I don't know how that would have played out if he were healthy but I would have considered Middleton to be the
2nd option in the regular season or at worst 2a/2b with Holiday.

In 2024 I did not consider the Bucks to be a true contender and Middleton has started to show some slippage. It is part of the reason they gambled on trading Holiday for Lillard. I was actually referring to 2018-2022 but even in 2023 with Giannis getting injured he was clearly ahead of Holiday as the 2nd option taking the #1 option with Giannis out.

I wasn't sure if you were saying you would not take prime Khris Middleton as a second option over Randle but now I assume you wouldn't based on your thoughts about his usage rate and your belief that he was not the Bucks second option for at least 5 years.

You're referring to the stretch of games where Randle and OG was out. Yeah Burks was trying to act like our 2nd option and took every shot opportunity he had which made him fall out of the rotation.

You're basically proving my point by calling Middleton a 2B player. That's essentially a 3rd option. So yes, he had some years where he was a clear 2nd option (I never said otherwise), some years while he wasn't. So I don't really get where you're going with this. It just seems like you want to argue about nothing

Thibs was always too conservative to see the vision. From my vantage point it cost us the chip.

[sol537]

We're gonna be really good this year. We're going for that #1 seed but may end up a bit lower if the injury bug hits again.

Just gotta somehow get right health wise throughout the playoffs. I want to see they boys go against the best of the NBA.

The key to all of this will be 1) Health 2) Randle's evolution and 3) adding competent C depth by the deadline

[JayTWill]

I've used the term Khris Middleton Lite for Mikal's role on this Knicks team a bunch of times. Not sure if you know what lite means but I suggest you googling it so you can have a better understanding of it.

Also, Middleton wasn't primarily the 2nd option for the Bucks for 5 years.

Here's a couple years of other Bucks players other than Giannis who had a higher usage rate than Middleton in the playoffs.

2019 Post Season: Bledsoe's usage: 24.3. Middleton: 21.1
2022 Post season: Holiday's usage: 26.5. Middleton: 21.9
2024 Post season: Dame's usage: 31.2. Middleton: 28.2 (higher than usual due to injuries to Dame)

Middleton is literally the 3rd option on a Bucks team right now. So your whole point is pretty moot. Were you being serious?

I was responding to your quote about Mikal in the Middleton role not some Middleton-lite role. Also usage rate is not a direct indicator of a player's hierarchy as a scorer in the offense or how long the ball is in their hands. It is calculation using how a possession ends whether it be a field goal attempt, free throw attempt, turnover or an assist while the player is on the floor. Style of play and skillset can affect usage rate.

Alecs Burks averaged 13.5mpg, 6.5 points, .9 assists and .7 turnovers on terrible efficiency but outside of Brunson he was by far the highest usage rate player on the team after his arrival. Maybe Chanel would be willing to concede that MJ Burks' greatness took a backseat to Brunson last year but I don't think anyone else would call him the team's second option in that period. He was out of the rotation by the end of the year.

2019 Postseason only Giannis and Middleton averaged over 30 minutes per game and they were 2 top in scoring and assists.

They won the championship in 2021 with Middleton as the clear second option to Giannis and closer with Holiday on the team.

In 2022 he was injured in game 2 of the playoffs missing the next 10 games and the rest of the postseason putting a larger load on Holiday. I don't know how that would have played out if he were healthy but I would have considered Middleton to be the
2nd option in the regular season or at worst 2a/2b with Holiday.

In 2024 I did not consider the Bucks to be a true contender and Middleton has started to show some slippage. It is part of the reason they gambled on trading Holiday for Lillard. I was actually referring to 2018-2022 but even in 2023 with Giannis getting injured he was clearly ahead of Holiday as the 2nd option taking the #1 option with Giannis out.

I wasn't sure if you were saying you would not take prime Khris Middleton as a second option over Randle but now I assume you wouldn't based on your thoughts about his usage rate and your belief that he was not the Bucks second option for at least 5 years.

You're referring to the stretch of games where Randle and OG was out. Yeah Burks was trying to act like our 2nd option and took every shot opportunity he had which made him fall out of the rotation.

You're basically proving my point by calling Middleton a 2B player. That's essentially a 3rd option. So yes, he had some years where he was a clear 2nd option (I never said otherwise), some years while he wasn't. So I don't really get where you're going with this. It just seems like you want to argue about nothing

So jacking up a ton of shots at a high rate make or miss or turning the ball over no matter how many minutes played makes Burks a second option but someone like DDV can't be considered the second option in that period of time despite starting and finishing games, playing more minutes and scoring more points within the flow of the offense while still helping to generate more offense for himself and others more efficiently? Was Marreese Speights the first option on the Warrior's 2014-2015 championship team since he had a higher usage rate than Klay and Steph in the regular and postseason?

I don't know how Middleton who basically played 40 minutes per game in 2018 along with Giannis averaging 25 points per game in a 7 games series against your guy Tatum and the Celtics and at worst has been a 2a/2b at times but had to step up being a number 1 late in games because of Giannis struggles in that role is basically a 3rd option but you consider guys like Bledsoe and Burks 2nd options simply because of some high rate of shots or whatever this is



or maybe it is this formula

Usage rate equals 100 times the sum of field goals attempted, a third of assists, turnovers and 0.44 times free throws attempted, all divided by the possessions.

It could actually be this formula for all I know



I don't even know what the hell any of that really means other than that you do some things on the court good and bad.

[NiceLikeChrist]

we got a real athletic freak in jericho that we can't seem to develop at all. is it our fault or is it his fault? not gonna lie just watching him these couple of years he seems like an aloof type that doesn't really have any desire to seriously reach his peak but who knows

[Capn'O]

I was responding to your quote about Mikal in the Middleton role not some Middleton-lite role. Also usage rate is not a direct indicator of a player's hierarchy as a scorer in the offense or how long the ball is in their hands. It is calculation using how a possession ends whether it be a field goal attempt, free throw attempt, turnover or an assist while the player is on the floor. Style of play and skillset can affect usage rate.

Alecs Burks averaged 13.5mpg, 6.5 points, .9 assists and .7 turnovers on terrible efficiency but outside of Brunson he was by far the highest usage rate player on the team after his arrival. Maybe Channel would be willing to concede that MJ Burks' greatness took a backseat to Brunson last year but I don't think anyone else would call him the team's second option in that period. He was out of the rotation by the end of the year.

2019 Postseason only Giannis and Middleton averaged over 30 minutes per game and they were 2 top in scoring and assists.

They won the championship in 2021 with Middleton as the clear second option to Giannis and closer with Holiday on the team.

In 2022 he was injured in game 2 of the playoffs missing the next 10 games and the rest of the postseason putting a larger load on Holiday. I don't know how that would have played out if he were healthy but I would have considered Middleton to be the
2nd option in the regular season or at worst 2a/2b with Holiday.

In 2024 I did not consider the Bucks to be a true contender and Middleton has started to show some slippage. It is part of the reason they gambled on trading Holiday for Lillard. I was actually referring to 2018-2022 but even in 2023 with Giannis getting injured he was clearly ahead of Holiday as the 2nd option taking the #1 option with Giannis out.

I wasn't sure if you were saying you would not take prime Khris Middleton as a second option over Randle but now I assume you wouldn't based on your thoughts about his usage rate and your belief that he was not the Bucks second option for at least 5 years.

You're referring to the stretch of games where Randle and OG was out. Yeah Burks was trying to act like our 2nd option and took every shot opportunity he had which made him fall out of the rotation.

You're basically proving my point by calling Middleton a 2B player. That's essentially a 3rd option. So yes, he had some years where he was a clear 2nd option (I never said otherwise), some years while he wasn't. So I don't really get where you're going with this. It just seems like you want to argue about nothing

Thibs was always too conservative to see the vision. From my vantage point it cost us the chip.

incredible work

[Context]

Got Dam Mel still going....Ya'll better leave Mel alone

I just check in on the thread from time to time

[Clyde_Style]

This is the real math:

One set of tight hair braids times 10,000 steps a day divided by one triple hesi and a double stutter = NBA Championship

[Wildcat]

we got a real athletic freak in jericho that we can't seem to develop at all. is it our fault or is it his fault? not gonna lie just watching him these couple of years he seems like an aloof type that doesn't really have any desire to seriously reach his peak but who knows

Being in the league for some players is just good enough. I think that's where we are with Sims. He's had opportunities. He just never delivered consistently. Personally, I think he just doesn't have good instincts. The game doesn't seem to come nature to him.

[RHODEY]

We're gonna be really good this year. We're going for that #1 seed but may end up a bit lower if the injury bug hits again.

Just gotta somehow get right health wise throughout the playoffs. I want to see they boys go against the best of the NBA.

The key to all of this will be 1) Health 2) Randle's evolution and 3) adding competent C depth by the deadline

We can withstand way more in terms of injury.

[moocow007]

we got a real athletic freak in jericho that we can't seem to develop at all. is it our fault or is it his fault? not gonna lie just watching him these couple of years he seems like an aloof type that doesn't really have any desire to seriously reach his peak but who knows

Being in the league for some players is just good enough. I think that's where we are with Sims. He's had opportunities. He just never delivered consistently. Personally, I think he just doesn't have good instincts. The game doesn't seem to come nature to him.

Yeah that's kinda the vibe I'm getting. Nice kid, great physical tools but he doesn't seem to have that alpha personality.

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[BKlutch]

we got a real athletic freak in jericho that we can't seem to develop at all. is it our fault or is it his fault? not gonna lie just watching him these couple of years he seems like an aloof type that doesn't really have any desire to seriously reach his peak but who knows

Being in the league for some players is just good enough. I think that's where we are with Sims. He's had opportunities. He just never delivered consistently. Personally, I think he just doesn't have good instincts. The game doesn't seem to come nature to him.

Yeah that's kinda the vibe I'm getting. Nice kid, great physical tools but he doesn't seem to have that alpha personality.

OTOH, he is behind Mitch, Precious, ?Huckporti, ?Skapintsev, and Randle or OG, so he's about as good as anybody we could get for that cost and the very last ditch, end of the bench C position. The 5's we're thinking about need to be better than Precious. He's good for if there are injuries and other guys have too many fouls.... so he might stay if we find a new 5.

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[BKlutch]

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Ainge proposing anal rape isn't really a discussion

Leon doesn't seem the type to allow that.

[thebuzzardman]

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Ainge proposing anal rape isn't really a discussion

Leon doesn't seem the type to allow that.

True. That's why this relationship won't be consummated

[BKlutch]

Ainge proposing anal rape isn't really a discussion

Leon doesn't seem the type to allow that.

True. That's why this relationship won't be consummated

Good - Ainge has fuqqed around on everyone he previously fuqqed. No such thing as being faithful, I suppose.

[HarthorneWingo]

Ainge proposing anal rape isn't really a discussion

Leon doesn't seem the type to allow that.

True. That's why this relationship won't be consummated

Do we know about the discussions ... other than anal rape?

[aggo]

dadiet is a goner if the Kessler rumor is true