Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 8.0: A Forum Divided

[pepe1991]

CJ is instant starter and best guard on Magic, like , apsolute no brainer. Bro just averaged 20-4,5-4,5 on 59% TS on 49 wins team. on West.

Lay low on pot.
It's like pitching idea of Lebron backing Paolo

[Skybox]

CJ is instant starter and best guard on Magic, like , apsolute no brainer. Bro just averaged 20-4,5-4,5 on 59% TS on 49 wins team. on West.

Lay low on pot.
It's like pitching idea of Lebron backing Paolo

How do you feel about Missi vs. WCJ? WCJ is obviously better today but I feel like the potential upside & fit makes a trade for CJ even better. Perhaps a short-term setback at C…but worth it overall, especially defensively.

[drsd]

OMD has a story on the Magic's FRP assets:

Magic's future first-round picks

2025 first-round pick (own)
2025 first-round pick (top-5 protected from Denver Nuggets)
2026 first-round pick (own)
2026 first-round pick (Phoenix Suns or Washington Wizards)
2027 first-round pick (own)
2028 first-round pick (own)
2029 first-round pick (own)
2030 first-round pick (own)
2031 first-round pick (own)

That led me to re-examine the Phoenix trade. In 2026, the Magic has only one FRP (the above implies two FRPs in 2026), and it will be the second best of the FRPs between Washington, Phoenix, and Orlando. As Orlando is probably going to be the better of these three teams, that means Orlando would move up in the draft from this trade. Perhaps substantially as the Wizards and the Suns could very well both be in the lottery. And minus career-ending injuries to several Magicians, the Magic won't be in the lottery.

Why am I bringing this up? Because we all know the Magic traded three SRPs for this. But I for one did not realize how horrible these seconds are.

The Nuggets’ 2024 second-rounder.
The least favorable of the Magic’s, Pistons’, and Bucks’ 2026 second-rounders.
The Celtics’ 2028 second-rounder (top-45 protected).

Wow does it look like the Magic hosed the Suns in this trade. Orlando trades three picks in the last 40s or lower for a potential swap from a 20s to a lottery pick. WOW!


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[pepe1991]

OMD has a story on the Magic's FRP assets:

Magic's future first-round picks

2025 first-round pick (own)
2025 first-round pick (top-5 protected from Denver Nuggets)
2026 first-round pick (own)
2026 first-round pick (Phoenix Suns or Washington Wizards)
2027 first-round pick (own)
2028 first-round pick (own)
2029 first-round pick (own)
2030 first-round pick (own)
2031 first-round pick (own)

That led me to re-examine the Phoenix trade. In 2026, the Magic has only one FRP (the above implies two FRPs in 2026), and it will be the second best of the FRPs between Washington, Phoenix, and Orlando. As Orlando is probably going to be the better of these three teams, that means Orlando would move up in the draft from this trade. Perhaps substantially as the Wizards and the Suns could very well both be in the lottery. And minus career-ending injuries to several Magicians, the Magic won't be in the lottery.

Why am I bringing this up? Because we all know the Magic traded three SRPs for this. But I for one did not realize how horrible these seconds are.

The Nuggets’ 2024 second-rounder.
The least favorable of the Magic’s, Pistons’, and Bucks’ 2026 second-rounders.
The Celtics’ 2028 second-rounder (top-45 protected).

Wow does it look like the Magic hosed the Suns in this trade. Orlando trades three picks in the last 40s or lower for a potential swap from a 20s to a lottery pick. WOW!


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That trade is way more complicated than you make it .

WAS has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick, protected for selections 9-30 if WAS does not convey a 1st round pick to NYK in 2025, for PHX's 2026 1st round pick; ORL then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the less favorable of the PHX pick and the WAS pick if conveyable; MEM then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the least / less favorable of the PHX pick, the WAS pick if conveyable and the ORL pick; if the WAS pick is not conveyable, then PHX's obligation to WAS will be extinguished and ORL will instead have the right to swap its pick for the PHX pick [IND-PHX-WAS, 6/23/2023; ORL-PHX, 7/17/2023; BKN-MEM-PHX, 2/8/2024]

Whole bunch of things need to happen:
for start, Wizards can't fall outside top 9 in 2025
Wizards need to continue to suck in 2026
Suns need to fall apart, despite fact they will have all of their core players in salary books for 2025-26 and having no picks really does not put them in position where tanking is option

Thing is, no matter how bad Suns looked at times, they won 49 games basically without Beal .
In offseason they still got creative and added Tyus Jones, Mason Plumlee, Monte Morris despite having no cap space. It's not outside relm of possibility that Suns are + 55 wins this year, and that wave can carry them into offseason with way less drama & shadow looming over.

[basketballRob]

This is the first offseason that Suggs hasn't participated in any activities in Orlando. I wouldn't doubt if his agent asked for a trade to a team that could give him a 5-yr deal. Of course, Weltman won't do that. The Magic holds the cards and can wait until the next offseason where another team can only offer him a 4-yr deal, and then we can match. That's why they'll probably come to an agreement soon on an extension.


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[drsd]

This is the first offseason that Suggs hasn't participated in any activities in Orlando. I wouldn't doubt if his agent asked for a trade to a team that could give him a 5-yr deal. Of course, Weltman won't do that. The Magic holds the cards and can wait until the next offseason where another team can only offer him a 4-yr deal, and then we can match. That's why they'll probably come to an agreement soon on an extension.

If Black is "the future of PG" for Orlando, then Suggs needs to be traded. It's pretty obvious that he cannot be part of a 5-year plan. That said, signing him makes him as tradeable as he is now. So I don't see what a 28-32M per year deal hasn't been worked out.

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[pepe1991]

There are rumors Bucks might give Fultz camp contract.
Guy cemented his legacy as top 5 worst 1st overall pick in nba history.

[eyriq]

There are rumors Bucks might give Fultz camp contract.
Guy cemented his legacy as top 5 worst 1st overall pick in nba history.

Man, rough market out there for guards

[RichCollab]

There are rumors Bucks might give Fultz camp contract.
Guy cemented his legacy as top 5 worst 1st overall pick in nba history.

Dude is was injured. Bad pick based on an injury after he was drafted.

[p0peye]

There are rumors Bucks might give Fultz camp contract.
Guy cemented his legacy as top 5 worst 1st overall pick in nba history.

There was that one Jazz fan lurking on our boards past year or two, willing to offer 20M+ contract (or something like that) to Markelle.

[eyriq]

There are rumors Bucks might give Fultz camp contract.
Guy cemented his legacy as top 5 worst 1st overall pick in nba history.

There was that one Jazz fan lurking on our boards past year or two, willing to offer 20M+ contract (or something like that) to Markelle.

Haha I remember that poster. I always found his interest so odd, but that's Fultz' aura right there

[Knightro]

If Black is "the future of PG" for Orlando, then Suggs needs to be traded. It's pretty obvious that he cannot be part of a 5-year plan. That said, signing him makes him as tradeable as he is now. So I don't see what a 28-32M per year deal hasn't been worked out.

This is just off-the-wall stuff.

Suggs is miles and miles better than Black is right now. Black didn't get a single meaningful PG rep in his rookie season and because of some nebulous "PG of the future" discussion it's Suggs that needs to be traded?

Come on man.

[Knightro]

There are rumors Bucks might give Fultz camp contract.
Guy cemented his legacy as top 5 worst 1st overall pick in nba history.

He's really close to being one of the 5 worst top picks of all time and he might be there.

I would definitely put Anthony Bennett, Greg Oden, Michael Olowakandi and LaRue Martin ahead of him.

But outside of those guys you gotta go back to the freaking 1960s to find No. 1 picks as bad as Fultz has been.

I'd comfortably say he's like the 5th or 6th worst No. 1 overall pick ever.

[drsd]

If Black is "the future of PG" for Orlando, then Suggs needs to be traded. It's pretty obvious that he cannot be part of a 5-year plan. That said, signing him makes him as tradeable as he is now. So I don't see what a 28-32M per year deal hasn't been worked out.

This is just off-the-wall stuff.

Suggs is miles and miles better than Black is right now. Black didn't get a single meaningful PG rep in his rookie season and because of some nebulous "PG of the future" discussion it's Suggs that needs to be traded?

Come on man.

And-1

I absolutely agree with you! And it again points to the real issue: why is Black on this roster?
He is NOT the future at PG. (and if he is anything, he's a SF). No way is he getting starting forward minutes on this team.

My actual view: sign Suggs for 30M a year. Trade Black. If not, then trade Anthony. Something's gotta give.

To your thought line: Suggs is miles and miles better than Black is right now
I would add that I cannot see a scenario where Black is a better player than Suggs. So this is not an Oladipo/Fournier type choice. The choice is simple. Retain Suggs and get rid of Black (or Anthony).

[drsd]

He's (Fultz) really close to being one of the 5 worst top picks of all time and he might be there.

I would definitely put Anthony Bennett, Greg Oden, Michael Olowakandi and LaRue Martin ahead of him.

Ayton gets more hype than I think he deserves. Simmons will never get a bust label becasue he made an All-NBA team, but he is very Fultz-like to me. Bargnani, Bogut, and Smith are also disappointing relative to overall- #1. Smith

For me:
Bennett is easily the worst #1 of the last 50 years.
Oden is a close second.
Olowokandi third.
Ellison is forth.
Brown is fifth.
(I can't judge L. Martin).


And a factoid that blows my mind, Klay Thompson's dad went #1 over players that included Larry Bird. It was a weak draft, and Mychal Thompson did have a near Hall of Fame career. But to be drafted over Bird. Hmmm. Something to tell the grandkids.

[eyriq]

If Black is "the future of PG" for Orlando, then Suggs needs to be traded. It's pretty obvious that he cannot be part of a 5-year plan. That said, signing him makes him as tradeable as he is now. So I don't see what a 28-32M per year deal hasn't been worked out.

This is just off-the-wall stuff.

Suggs is miles and miles better than Black is right now. Black didn't get a single meaningful PG rep in his rookie season and because of some nebulous "PG of the future" discussion it's Suggs that needs to be traded?

Come on man.

And-1

I absolutely agree with you! And it again points to the real issue: why is Black on this roster?
He is NOT the future at PG. (and if he is anything, he's a SF). No way is he getting starting forward minutes on this team.

My actual view: sign Suggs for 30M a year. Trade Black. If not, then trade Anthony. Something's gotta give.

To your thought line: Suggs is miles and miles better than Black is right now
I would add that I cannot see a scenario where Black is a better player than Suggs. So this is not an Oladipo/Fournier type choice. The choice is simple. Retain Suggs and get rid of Black (or Anthony).

AB vs Suggs is the new Fultz vs Suggs, eh? AB/Suggs backcourt is the obvious answer, here.

[RookieStar]

Anyone saw that JORDAN tour in China? PB Tatum Luka and Zion were on it.

My question is... Tatum is reported to be 6'9 or even 6'10 with shoes correct? Does that mean PAolo is a 7footer? Jeeeez. Someone back me up here

[p0peye]

He's (Fultz) really close to being one of the 5 worst top picks of all time and he might be there.

I would definitely put Anthony Bennett, Greg Oden, Michael Olowakandi and LaRue Martin ahead of him.

Ayton gets more hype than I think he deserves. Simmons will never get a bust label becasue he made an All-NBA team, but he is very Fultz-like to me. Bargnani, Bogut, and Smith are also disappointing relative to overall- #1. Smith

For me:
Bennett is easily the worst #1 of the last 50 years.
Oden is a close second.
Olowokandi third.
Ellison is forth.
Brown is fifth.
(I can't judge L. Martin).


And a factoid that blows my mind, Klay Thompson's dad went #1 over players that included Larry Bird. It was a weak draft, and Mychal Thompson did have a near Hall of Fame career. But to be drafted over Bird. Hmmm. Something to tell the grandkids.

Oden could play, like for real. He demonstrated that in games where he was healthy. Other guys on that list are just....really bad.

[Residual-Heat]

IDK if Black will ever be able to be the starter we need, but if he is its likely going to take some time. Probably close to when KCP's contract expires. I didn't see it at draft night, but now I can see what the FO was envisioning when they drafted Black. We'll see how he develops.

[drsd]

Oden could play, like for real. He demonstrated that in games where he was healthy. Other guys on that list are just....really bad.

And Fultz could play. One cannot exclude injuries in this overall-#1 woat discussion. Oden's per36 stats were not very good in the games he did play. He was a bust.