The Brock Purdy Thread

[CrimsonCrew]

The difference between Purdy & Jimmy is that Purdy had the benefit of having CMC. We’re seeing what he looks like without him.

The difference(s) between Purdy and Garoppolo are vision, anticipation, the ability to escape pressure at all, the ability to throw outside the numbers, the ability to throw 20 yards downfield, etc., etc., etc.

The only area where Garoppolo was demonstrably better was release speed.

[Pattersonca65]

Lol Grant Cohn. The biggest clown on social media

Except he’s right about this.

We're two games in. Let's see how the season unfolds. I don't think Purdy was the primary issue in this one, but he certainly didn't play well. I'd need to see the All-22 to really assess it, but he put a lot of balls in harm's way. Was that because his guys just weren't getting open? Was it because of the pressure? Or was he just off? Hard to say based on the broadcast. When he had a clean pocket, he seemed to be seeing it and throwing it well. As a team, we weren't at all ready for the Vikings' blitzes yesterday. Probably some of that is on Purdy, but I saw a ton of free rushers in this one.

Cohn is a clown who will say dumb things to get attention.

[Big J]

Except he’s right about this.

We're two games in. Let's see how the season unfolds. I don't think Purdy was the primary issue in this one, but he certainly didn't play well. I'd need to see the All-22 to really assess it, but he put a lot of balls in harm's way. Was that because his guys just weren't getting open? Was it because of the pressure? Or was he just off? Hard to say based on the broadcast. When he had a clean pocket, he seemed to be seeing it and throwing it well. As a team, we weren't at all ready for the Vikings' blitzes yesterday. Probably some of that is on Purdy, but I saw a ton of free rushers in this one.

Cohn is a clown who will say dumb things to get attention.

Take off the homer goggles for a second. Saying that the team shouldn’t pay Purdy 60 million is a completely rational take.

[CrimsonCrew]

We're two games in. Let's see how the season unfolds. I don't think Purdy was the primary issue in this one, but he certainly didn't play well. I'd need to see the All-22 to really assess it, but he put a lot of balls in harm's way. Was that because his guys just weren't getting open? Was it because of the pressure? Or was he just off? Hard to say based on the broadcast. When he had a clean pocket, he seemed to be seeing it and throwing it well. As a team, we weren't at all ready for the Vikings' blitzes yesterday. Probably some of that is on Purdy, but I saw a ton of free rushers in this one.

Cohn is a clown who will say dumb things to get attention.

Take off the homer goggles for a second. Saying that the team shouldn’t pay Purdy 60 million is a completely rational take.

Saying it two games into the season is at the very least not measured.

As I said yesterday, if Purdy plays 15 more games this year, it will constitute over 1/3 of his career games. Why are we spending so much time having a discussion about what he's worth right now? Let's discuss the nuances of a particular game. But discussing if he's worth $60 million every week is pointless right now.

[Pattersonca65]

We're two games in. Let's see how the season unfolds. I don't think Purdy was the primary issue in this one, but he certainly didn't play well. I'd need to see the All-22 to really assess it, but he put a lot of balls in harm's way. Was that because his guys just weren't getting open? Was it because of the pressure? Or was he just off? Hard to say based on the broadcast. When he had a clean pocket, he seemed to be seeing it and throwing it well. As a team, we weren't at all ready for the Vikings' blitzes yesterday. Probably some of that is on Purdy, but I saw a ton of free rushers in this one.

Cohn is a clown who will say dumb things to get attention.

Take off the homer goggles for a second. Saying that the team shouldn’t pay Purdy 60 million is a completely rational take.

Still waiting to see how this year transpires. Don't need glasses to know what a clown Cohn is all the stupid takes he does to get a rise out of people.

[Pattersonca65]

The difference between Purdy & Jimmy is that Purdy had the benefit of having CMC. We’re seeing what he looks like without him.

The difference(s) between Purdy and Garoppolo are vision, anticipation, the ability to escape pressure at all, the ability to throw outside the numbers, the ability to throw 20 yards downfield, etc., etc., etc.

The only area where Garoppolo was demonstrably better was release speed.

Speaking of Grant Cohn, thought you might enjoy this trip down memory lane.

https://sportshoop.la/threads/grant-cohn-is-an-idiot.64324/

[CrimsonCrew]

Two weeks into the season, pretty much every top QB has had at least one bad game. Mahomes won, but threw two INTs, would have thrown a third but for a penalty, got bailed out by a PI call (credit him for forcing the issue), and hasn't exactly been lighting it up. Lamar is 0-2. Burrow is 0-2. Allen won but didn't have to do anything to win. Dak looked awful. Hurts did more damage with his legs than his arm and lost this week. Love was shaky in week one and then got hurt. Rodgers has been pretty ordinary. Stafford struggled (granted missing a ton of guys). Goff was bad this week.

Through two weeks, the MVP candidates are Carr and Mayfield. So do the guys above all suck? Or do we need to wait a little longer before we draw hard and fast conclusions about anyone's season?

[CrimsonCrew]

The difference between Purdy & Jimmy is that Purdy had the benefit of having CMC. We’re seeing what he looks like without him.

The difference(s) between Purdy and Garoppolo are vision, anticipation, the ability to escape pressure at all, the ability to throw outside the numbers, the ability to throw 20 yards downfield, etc., etc., etc.

The only area where Garoppolo was demonstrably better was release speed.

Speaking of Grant Cohn, thought you might enjoy this trip down memory lane.

https://sportshoop.la/threads/grant-cohn-is-an-idiot.64324/

Ha! That's a trip. I do think Cohn improved after that, but now he's swung back to seeking clicks by posting "edgy" content. I think he has some worthwhile thoughts, but he turns it up to 11 too often. He constantly attacks Shanahan. And look, there's plenty to criticize. I just did a lengthy post on it. But the dude is still clearly one of the better coaches in the league.

But that's also the world we live in. Everything is an extreme (see some of the Purdy-related posts in this thread). People struggle to see nuance these days. Maybe they always have.

[Harry Palmer]

Imo Purdy was looking BA off a lot last game…wondered if this was some overreaction to BA’s game 1 drops, because BA did not play poorly vs. Minnesota, he repeatedly got open, just didn’t get the ball. My worst fear is that Kyle has him in the doghouse again, though obviously he’ll have to let him out this week.

[Big J]

Might not be a bad idea to sniff around the Panthers for what they want for Bryce.

[Pattersonca65]

Yea, lets waste more resources on another first round bust like Bryce. Makes sense after wasting all that capital on lance

[CrimsonCrew]

Yea, lets waste more resources on another first round bust like Bryce. Makes sense after wasting all that capital on lance

Can we get him for the late-4th it cost to get Lance? If so, I'd at least consider it. I haven't scouted Bryce specifically, but he was the first pick for a reason, and was thrust into a pretty awful situation. You can rehabilitate guys like that in some cases, depending on the reason for their struggles. That said, it's relatively rare.

The problem is that a lot of guys can't see the game the way they need to. That is probably the single greatest issue for a lot of these physically talented players who bust. The college game is much simpler, so it's hard to determine what a guy can see. That's the single biggest issue with Lance. It's just not there. You can improve some of the physical things, especially accuracy (though sticking with Lance, he hasn't, really) and arm strength (a bit). But if you can't read a defense in real time, you almost certainly can't play in the NFL unless you are a supremely talented athlete.

Is that the reason that Bryce failed? I have no idea. I don't know that I've seen him play in the NFL, and if I saw him in college, it was probably just once. I know he's not a physical specimen the way many high picks are. But if a baseline vision and understanding aren't there, that's a really tough thing to markedly improve upon.

[Big J]

Yea, lets waste more resources on another first round bust like Bryce. Makes sense after wasting all that capital on lance

Can we get him for the late-4th it cost to get Lance? If so, I'd at least consider it. I haven't scouted Bryce specifically, but he was the first pick for a reason, and was thrust into a pretty awful situation. You can rehabilitate guys like that in some cases, depending on the reason for their struggles. That said, it's relatively rare.

The problem is that a lot of guys can't see the game the way they need to. That is probably the single greatest issue for a lot of these physically talented players who bust. The college game is much simpler, so it's hard to determine what a guy can see. That's the single biggest issue with Lance. It's just not there. You can improve some of the physical things, especially accuracy (though sticking with Lance, he hasn't, really) and arm strength (a bit). But if you can't read a defense in real time, you almost certainly can't play in the NFL unless you are a supremely talented athlete.

Is that the reason that Bryce failed? I have no idea. I don't know that I've seen him play in the NFL, and if I saw him in college, it was probably just once. I know he's not a physical specimen the way many high picks are. But if a baseline vision and understanding aren't there, that's a really tough thing to markedly improve upon.

Just don't see how we can call Lance a bust after 2 regular season games & Bryce a bust after 1 season with an incompetent organization. It took Alex Smith 6 years to develop into what he was.

[thesack12]

Yea, lets waste more resources on another first round bust like Bryce. Makes sense after wasting all that capital on lance

Can we get him for the late-4th it cost to get Lance? If so, I'd at least consider it. I haven't scouted Bryce specifically, but he was the first pick for a reason, and was thrust into a pretty awful situation. You can rehabilitate guys like that in some cases, depending on the reason for their struggles. That said, it's relatively rare.

The problem is that a lot of guys can't see the game the way they need to. That is probably the single greatest issue for a lot of these physically talented players who bust. The college game is much simpler, so it's hard to determine what a guy can see. That's the single biggest issue with Lance. It's just not there. You can improve some of the physical things, especially accuracy (though sticking with Lance, he hasn't, really) and arm strength (a bit). But if you can't read a defense in real time, you almost certainly can't play in the NFL unless you are a supremely talented athlete.

Is that the reason that Bryce failed? I have no idea. I don't know that I've seen him play in the NFL, and if I saw him in college, it was probably just once. I know he's not a physical specimen the way many high picks are. But if a baseline vision and understanding aren't there, that's a really tough thing to markedly improve upon.

Just don't see how we can call Lance a bust after 2 regular season games & Bryce a bust after 1 season with an incompetent organization. It took Alex Smith 6 years to develop into what he was.

First off Alex Smith was absolutely a bust. Did you forget that he was drafted #1 overall?

Was Alex a colossal bust like a Jamarcus Russell or Tim couch, no. But just because he eventually became a semi passable QB, doesn't mean he wasn't a bust.

Alex Smith's style of play made Garoppolo look like a Brett Favre type of gunslinger. Smith absolutely earned his "captain checkdown" moniker. In KC he went the entire 2014 season without throwing a TD pass to a WR. He constantly went underneath to the RB's and TE's. Think about how incredible of a stat that is, an entire NFL season where a team had ZERO TD catches from a WR.

Its also pretty ironic that someone who incessantly bags on Purdy, puts a shine on Alex Smith. Purdy was better from his first career start, than Smith ever was.

Oh, and its far from guaranteed that Lance or Young have even an Alex Smith type of renaissance. Young would be the better bet to make in that regard.

[WentzerWuver]

Might not be a bad idea to sniff around the Panthers for what they want for Bryce.

If you trade for Byrce, you don't need Purdy anymore. Let the billionaire Tepper give Purdy his gucci bag since he paid a stubborn HC a 62 mil contract to leave college coaching along with his infamous southern style rudimentary rah rah program that his own players think was a joke.

https://youtube.com/shorts/KE59aUDGYLE?si=RLHcA_P_Fm1Cb9wY

Then Kyle can keep all his playmakers which is key to reaching the SB. Purdy sadly will struggle in Carolina just like he was during preseason but he will be filthy rich while Bryce will play like this against the Chiefs in the SB!

https://youtu.be/BktW5kShAPk?si=XnBZ1K59aYJVFSmF

[zman1]

Yea, lets waste more resources on another first round bust like Bryce. Makes sense after wasting all that capital on lance

Can we get him for the late-4th it cost to get Lance? If so, I'd at least consider it. I haven't scouted Bryce specifically, but he was the first pick for a reason, and was thrust into a pretty awful situation. You can rehabilitate guys like that in some cases, depending on the reason for their struggles. That said, it's relatively rare.

The problem is that a lot of guys can't see the game the way they need to. That is probably the single greatest issue for a lot of these physically talented players who bust. The college game is much simpler, so it's hard to determine what a guy can see. That's the single biggest issue with Lance. It's just not there. You can improve some of the physical things, especially accuracy (though sticking with Lance, he hasn't, really) and arm strength (a bit). But if you can't read a defense in real time, you almost certainly can't play in the NFL unless you are a supremely talented athlete.

Is that the reason that Bryce failed? I have no idea. I don't know that I've seen him play in the NFL, and if I saw him in college, it was probably just once. I know he's not a physical specimen the way many high picks are. But if a baseline vision and understanding aren't there, that's a really tough thing to markedly improve upon.

Just don't see how we can call Lance a bust after 2 regular season games & Bryce a bust after 1 season with an incompetent organization. It took Alex Smith 6 years to develop into what he was.

I heard Alex Smith yesterday commenting on Bryce. He put 100% of the blame on the team with a crap oline and receivers.

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[wco81]

Yea, lets waste more resources on another first round bust like Bryce. Makes sense after wasting all that capital on lance

Can we get him for the late-4th it cost to get Lance? If so, I'd at least consider it. I haven't scouted Bryce specifically, but he was the first pick for a reason, and was thrust into a pretty awful situation. You can rehabilitate guys like that in some cases, depending on the reason for their struggles. That said, it's relatively rare.

The problem is that a lot of guys can't see the game the way they need to. That is probably the single greatest issue for a lot of these physically talented players who bust. The college game is much simpler, so it's hard to determine what a guy can see. That's the single biggest issue with Lance. It's just not there. You can improve some of the physical things, especially accuracy (though sticking with Lance, he hasn't, really) and arm strength (a bit). But if you can't read a defense in real time, you almost certainly can't play in the NFL unless you are a supremely talented athlete.

Is that the reason that Bryce failed? I have no idea. I don't know that I've seen him play in the NFL, and if I saw him in college, it was probably just once. I know he's not a physical specimen the way many high picks are. But if a baseline vision and understanding aren't there, that's a really tough thing to markedly improve upon.

He's an outlier in terms of size. He's not an elite athlete or has a great arm like Kyler Murray.

So everything would have to go right for him. He'd have to be surrounded by talent that wins almost every play. That was the case in Alabama, with WRs, RBs and OL.

I assume that was also the case in high school, since he was a very highly-ranked recruit.

Smaller QBs like Wilson and Brees had big arms and Wilson could escape, make big plays outside the pocket or running for big gains.

Mayfield struggled as a #1 pick but later in his career seems to be doing well or at least is a competent starting QB. He's also listed at 6-1 215 vs. 5-10 204 pounds. Tua is listed at 6-1 227 but at least had a 3500 yard 25 TD 8 INT season in 2022.

I think that is why Bryce was drafted high, they figured small QBs from AL can succeed in the NFL. Of course Tua has one of the best WR rooms in the league.

Not saying he can't have a renaissance like Mayfield but it's just as likely that he has a trajectory like Zack Wilson, who's at least 6-2 215 and has probably a better than average arm.

But you wonder how he will hold up. He's been sacked 68 times in just 18 games and he's not exactly built for the punishment.

[CrimsonCrew]

Yea, lets waste more resources on another first round bust like Bryce. Makes sense after wasting all that capital on lance

Can we get him for the late-4th it cost to get Lance? If so, I'd at least consider it. I haven't scouted Bryce specifically, but he was the first pick for a reason, and was thrust into a pretty awful situation. You can rehabilitate guys like that in some cases, depending on the reason for their struggles. That said, it's relatively rare.

The problem is that a lot of guys can't see the game the way they need to. That is probably the single greatest issue for a lot of these physically talented players who bust. The college game is much simpler, so it's hard to determine what a guy can see. That's the single biggest issue with Lance. It's just not there. You can improve some of the physical things, especially accuracy (though sticking with Lance, he hasn't, really) and arm strength (a bit). But if you can't read a defense in real time, you almost certainly can't play in the NFL unless you are a supremely talented athlete.

Is that the reason that Bryce failed? I have no idea. I don't know that I've seen him play in the NFL, and if I saw him in college, it was probably just once. I know he's not a physical specimen the way many high picks are. But if a baseline vision and understanding aren't there, that's a really tough thing to markedly improve upon.

Just don't see how we can call Lance a bust after 2 regular season games & Bryce a bust after 1 season with an incompetent organization. It took Alex Smith 6 years to develop into what he was.

Lance is pretty clearly a bust regardless of how many regulation games he's played in the league. He's four years into his league and he can't decipher vanilla preseason defenses. Two organizations have found he's not even worthy of being the #2 guy.

Bryce isn't a bust yet, and when I said he failed, I didn't mean to suggest that it's all said and done for him. He's still a young player who could bounce back. But it's been a rough start, and he's being replaced by Andy Dalton. What would you trade for him?

[CrimsonCrew]

Can we get him for the late-4th it cost to get Lance? If so, I'd at least consider it. I haven't scouted Bryce specifically, but he was the first pick for a reason, and was thrust into a pretty awful situation. You can rehabilitate guys like that in some cases, depending on the reason for their struggles. That said, it's relatively rare.

The problem is that a lot of guys can't see the game the way they need to. That is probably the single greatest issue for a lot of these physically talented players who bust. The college game is much simpler, so it's hard to determine what a guy can see. That's the single biggest issue with Lance. It's just not there. You can improve some of the physical things, especially accuracy (though sticking with Lance, he hasn't, really) and arm strength (a bit). But if you can't read a defense in real time, you almost certainly can't play in the NFL unless you are a supremely talented athlete.

Is that the reason that Bryce failed? I have no idea. I don't know that I've seen him play in the NFL, and if I saw him in college, it was probably just once. I know he's not a physical specimen the way many high picks are. But if a baseline vision and understanding aren't there, that's a really tough thing to markedly improve upon.

Just don't see how we can call Lance a bust after 2 regular season games & Bryce a bust after 1 season with an incompetent organization. It took Alex Smith 6 years to develop into what he was.

First off Alex Smith was absolutely a bust. Did you forget that he was drafted #1 overall?

Was Alex a colossal bust like a Jamarcus Russell or Tim couch, no. But just because he eventually became a semi passable QB, doesn't mean he wasn't a bust.

Alex Smith's style of play made Garoppolo look like a Brett Favre type of gunslinger. Smith absolutely earned his "captain checkdown" moniker. In KC he went the entire 2014 season without throwing a TD pass to a WR. He constantly went underneath to the RB's and TE's. Think about how incredible of a stat that is, an entire NFL season where a team had ZERO TD catches from a WR.

Its also pretty ironic that someone who incessantly bags on Purdy, puts a shine on Alex Smith. Purdy was better from his first career start, than Smith ever was.

Oh, and its far from guaranteed that Lance or Young have even an Alex Smith type of renaissance. Young would be the better bet to make in that regard.

I don't fundamentally disagree in terms of Smith, but re: no TDs to WRs, he was throwing to Dwayne Bowe, Albert Wilson, Donnie Avery, and De'Anthony Thomas. Bowe was the only one who did anything in the league, and he was clearly on the downswing of his career at that point.

[CrimsonCrew]

Might not be a bad idea to sniff around the Panthers for what they want for Bryce.

If you trade for Byrce, you don't need Purdy anymore. Let the billionaire Tepper give Purdy his gucci bag since he paid a stubborn HC a 62 mil contract to leave college coaching along with his infamous southern style rudimentary rah rah program that his own players think was a joke.

https://youtube.com/shorts/KE59aUDGYLE?si=RLHcA_P_Fm1Cb9wY

Then Kyle can keep all his playmakers which is key to reaching the SB. Purdy sadly will struggle in Carolina just like he was during preseason but he will be filthy rich while Bryce will play like this against the Chiefs in the SB!

https://youtu.be/BktW5kShAPk?si=XnBZ1K59aYJVFSmF

This guy and the importance of preseason for an established NFL QB.