Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

JayTWill · Post #2261 » by **JayTWill** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:12 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:

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He was not moving like this with us….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I always wonder what his game and the team's offense would have looked like if he was just given the green light to shoot 3's. It's not like his form is terrible. I know there would have been many ups and downs that i'm not sure Thibs would be willing to live with but if he would have been able to stretch the floor as a shooter along with his ability to pass out of the high post it would have opened things up so much.

i do think thibs shouldve def gave him the green light to shoot 3s. his form is pretty decent.

but with that being said, imo i really feel like hes gonna have a really small role on OKC versus he did with us. i doubt they are gonna play him through the high post and let him shoot 3s. he about to be last year's version of himself

I'm very curious to see how he will be used in OKC and he will be missed here but I do think we tend to overstate how big of a role he had in New York. His passing was great but it was a very limited part of the offense. He took a step back as far as involvement from his time in LA even last year. Per 100 possessions he actually had more shot attempts, free throw attempts, assists, blocks, time of possession etc in LA. He basically only had more minutes last year, controlled his fouling and improved a bit as a rebounder in New York.

It's hard for me to imagine him having a smaller role in OKC than the limited role of the center on a Thibs team in the slowest paced offense in the league along with the addition of Mikal and the return of Randle and Mitch.

Post #2262 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:12 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:i do think thibs shouldve def gave him the green light to shoot 3s. his form is pretty decent.

but with that being said, imo i really feel like hes gonna have a really small role on OKC versus he did with us. i doubt they are gonna play him through the high post and let him shoot 3s. he about to be last year's version of himself

If they got him just to guard bigger bigs they're gonna regret it. I do think he'll have the green light to space though. OKC seems like a team that wants to run 5 out.

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SGA
Dort/Caruso
Williams
Chet
iHart

???

Not bad.

Wildcat · Post #2263 » by **Wildcat** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:31 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:i do think thibs shouldve def gave him the green light to shoot 3s. his form is pretty decent.

but with that being said, imo i really feel like hes gonna have a really small role on OKC versus he did with us. i doubt they are gonna play him through the high post and let him shoot 3s. he about to be last year's version of himself

If they got him just to guard bigger bigs they're gonna regret it. I do think he'll have the green light to space though. OKC seems like a team that wants to run 5 out.

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Which doesn't makes sense, so I'll take that for a gain of salt. Chet, SGA locked in. They aren't benching Jalen. Dort is probably their best perimeter defender, so they're not benching him. Only spot left is Caruso's spot. I'm sure they can or should alternate between I-Hart and Jose, but you really want to alternate starting spots for your 2 new guys?

Richard4444 · Post #2264 » by **Richard4444** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:33 pm

Wildcat wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
If they got him just to guard bigger bigs they're gonna regret it. I do think he'll have the green light to space though. OKC seems like a team that wants to run 5 out.

Read on Twitter
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Which doesn't makes sense, so I'll take that for a gain of salt. Chet, SGA locked in. They aren't benching Jalen. Dort is probably their best perimeter defender, so they're not benching him. Only spot left is Caruso's spot. I'm sure they can or should alternate between I-Hart and Jose, but you really want to alternate starting spots for your 2 new guys?

I think Caruso will be the 6th man.

3toheadmelo · Post #2265 » by **3toheadmelo** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 5:44 pm

JayTWill wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
I always wonder what his game and the team's offense would have looked like if he was just given the green light to shoot 3's. It's not like his form is terrible. I know there would have been many ups and downs that i'm not sure Thibs would be willing to live with but if he would have been able to stretch the floor as a shooter along with his ability to pass out of the high post it would have opened things up so much.

i do think thibs shouldve def gave him the green light to shoot 3s. his form is pretty decent.

but with that being said, imo i really feel like hes gonna have a really small role on OKC versus he did with us. i doubt they are gonna play him through the high post and let him shoot 3s. he about to be last year's version of himself

I'm very curious to see how he will be used in OKC and he will be missed here but I do think we tend to overstate how big of a role he had in New York. His passing was great but it was a very limited part of the offense. He took a step back as far as involvement from his time in LA even last year. Per 100 possessions he actually had more shot attempts, free throw attempts, assists, blocks, time of possession etc in LA. He basically only had more minutes last year, controlled his fouling and improved a bit as a rebounder in New York.

It's hard for me to imagine him having a smaller role in OKC than the limited role of the center on a Thibs team in the slowest paced offense in the league along with the addition of Mikal and the return of Randle and Mitch.

I hear you, but I'm not sure I really see him having a bigger role on OKC either. He's gonna be behind SGA, J-Dub, Chet.

JayTWill · Post #2266 » by **JayTWill** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:16 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:i do think thibs shouldve def gave him the green light to shoot 3s. his form is pretty decent.

but with that being said, imo i really feel like hes gonna have a really small role on OKC versus he did with us. i doubt they are gonna play him through the high post and let him shoot 3s. he about to be last year's version of himself

I'm very curious to see how he will be used in OKC and he will be missed here but I do think we tend to overstate how big of a role he had in New York. His passing was great but it was a very limited part of the offense. He took a step back as far as involvement from his time in LA even last year. Per 100 possessions he actually had more shot attempts, free throw attempts, assists, blocks, time of possession etc in LA. He basically only had more minutes last year, controlled his fouling and improved a bit as a rebounder in New York.

It's hard for me to imagine him having a smaller role in OKC than the limited role of the center on a Thibs team in the slowest paced offense in the league along with the addition of Mikal and the return of Randle and Mitch.

I hear you, but I'm not sure I really see him having a bigger role on OKC either. He's gonna be behind SGA, J-Dub, Chet.

True but the center position is dead last in offensive priority here even behind Josh Hart. OKC's current backup center, 2nd year 21 year old Jaylin Williams averaged more shots and assists per 100 than iHart last year. Meanwhile all of iHart, Mitch and Sims have been in the bottom 10% of FGA per 100 the last 2 years with iHart sneaking up to #90 last year out of 101 players listed as getting minutes at center. With everyone healthy it will go back down.

In comparison to how little Mitch and Sims are involved it feels like iHart had this huge role but the Knicks' centers generally just set picks, crash the boards and defend. Most centers around the league have a bigger role offensively than they do here. If you are fine with just defending and rebounding it's a great place to be. If you want to do a little bit more on the offensive end as a center you may want to try somewhere else.

3toheadmelo · Post #2267 » by **3toheadmelo** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:30 pm

JayTWill wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
I'm very curious to see how he will be used in OKC and he will be missed here but I do think we tend to overstate how big of a role he had in New York. His passing was great but it was a very limited part of the offense. He took a step back as far as involvement from his time in LA even last year. Per 100 possessions he actually had more shot attempts, free throw attempts, assists, blocks, time of possession etc in LA. He basically only had more minutes last year, controlled his fouling and improved a bit as a rebounder in New York.

It's hard for me to imagine him having a smaller role in OKC than the limited role of the center on a Thibs team in the slowest paced offense in the league along with the addition of Mikal and the return of Randle and Mitch.

I hear you, but I'm not sure I really see him having a bigger role on OKC either. He's gonna be behind SGA, J-Dub, Chet.

True but the center position is dead last in offensive priority here even behind Josh Hart. OKC's current backup center, 2nd year 21 year old Jaylin Williams averaged more shots and assists per 100 than iHart last year. Meanwhile all of iHart, Mitch and Sims have been in the bottom 10% of FGA per 100 the last 2 years with iHart sneaking up to #90 last year out of 101 players listed as getting minutes at center. With everyone healthy it will go back down.

In comparison to how little Mitch and Sims are involved it feels like iHart had this huge role but the Knicks' centers generally just set picks, crash the boards and defend. Most centers around the league have a bigger role offensively than they do here. If you are fine with just defending and rebounding it's a great place to be. If you want to do a little bit more on the offensive end as a center you may want to try somewhere else.

you're probably right here. it did feel like a massive difference with ihart compared to mitch, which might be considered a normal role on other teams. honestly, what i loved about ihart is that he wasn't clogging the paint as much as mitch which allowed randle and brunson go in the paint way more. that will def be missed. but i guess having another offensive threat in mikal will make up for the loss of ihart.

SOMEKnicks · Post #2268 » by **SOMEKnicks** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 6:51 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
SOMEKnicks wrote:
Yeah, I get the feeling that this Randle-at-C stuff is like putting a brave face on a not-so-good situation.

I suppose our FO underestimated how much $$$ OKC was going to through at iHart and got busy with stuff like the Bridges trade, hoping that iHart would let us match any offer he'd get. Plus, weren't we facing the hard cap until we managed to restructure the Bridges trade? While the best FAs got scooped up really fast.

As for not drafting Filipowski, who knows why? This FO has been pretty loathe to add first round picks, and the belief has been that Thibs does not really like playing rookies. Even the French guy was originally viewed as a stash pick, until he proclaimed his firm intention to come over to the NBA right away. Plus, Kyle's GF story did not help.

In any case, the team indeed feels a bit unfinished, but, hey, maybe the management is counting on something popping up before the trade deadline. And in the meantime, Precious is not the worst option at backup C/PF.

This is riddled with false statements. We couldn't match Sharts offer because we didn't have full bird rights. We could only offer 17mil per or so.

Where did I state otherwise? The Knicks would have matched an offer for less than 17m or so and many were hoping that iHart would give the Knicks a discount. But it was shocking to see that he got so much more from OKC, so leaving that much money on the table would have been crazy.

Jalen Bluntson wrote: No one ever said Pacome was going to be a stash.

This article said so:
https://nypost.com/2024/06/26/sports/knicks-select-french-wing-pacome-dadiet-with-no-25-pick-in-nba-draft/

Jalen Bluntson wrote: It's not even up to him. The team added multiple first round picks and even 2nd round picks to the rotation over the last several years. Thibs played a few rookies IQ/Grimes/Obi/Deuce were examples.

No one said that Thibs did not play rookies at all. But lots of people complained he did not play them enough.

Jalen Bluntson wrote: Bridges deal has nothing to do with anything.

Check this out.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/knicks-complete-mikal-bridges-trade-000300393.html

Quote from the article: If the trade were to be completed as is, however, the Knicks would be hard-capped at the $178.13 million first apron, meaning under no circumstances would they be allowed to have a payroll exceeding that number this season, the reason being they are taking back more money in Bridges’ $23.3 million salary than they are sending out in Bogdanovic’s $19 million salary.

Jalen Bluntson wrote: Kyle's GF story? Huh?

Uh-huh. This one I will let you Google on your own.

Jalen Bluntson wrote: Welcome to the board BALLBOY! Now STFU AND GTFO!!

Cheers! Love your nick!

Guano · Post #2269 » by **Guano** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:01 pm

Sims has played meaningful mins on this team. That's reason enough to believe that the Knicks would most definitely give mins to an unproven rook.

BKlutch · Post #2270 » by **BKlutch** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:08 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:damn didnt even know that we lost him to boston

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We didn't really lose him. We tried him for a few games last season and he played more in Summer League this year. He wasn't impressive, although he tried hard. Also, he really just signed a training camp contract, so the chances of Boston signing him to a guaranteed 1 year contract remain slim. He's just a bit south of the NBA-GLeague border.

JayTWill · Post #2271 » by **JayTWill** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:15 pm

SOMEKnicks wrote:
Jalen Bluntson wrote:
SOMEKnicks wrote:
Yeah, I get the feeling that this Randle-at-C stuff is like putting a brave face on a not-so-good situation.

I suppose our FO underestimated how much $$$ OKC was going to through at iHart and got busy with stuff like the Bridges trade, hoping that iHart would let us match any offer he'd get. Plus, weren't we facing the hard cap until we managed to restructure the Bridges trade? While the best FAs got scooped up really fast.

As for not drafting Filipowski, who knows why? This FO has been pretty loathe to add first round picks, and the belief has been that Thibs does not really like playing rookies. Even the French guy was originally viewed as a stash pick, until he proclaimed his firm intention to come over to the NBA right away. Plus, Kyle's GF story did not help.

In any case, the team indeed feels a bit unfinished, but, hey, maybe the management is counting on something popping up before the trade deadline. And in the meantime, Precious is not the worst option at backup C/PF.

This is riddled with false statements. We couldn't match Sharts offer because we didn't have full bird rights. We could only offer 17mil per or so.

Where did I state otherwise? The Knicks would have matched an offer for less than 17m or so and many were hoping that iHart would give the Knicks a discount. But it was shocking to see that he so much more from OKC, so leaving that much money on the table would have been crazy.

Jalen Bluntson wrote: No one ever said Pacome was going to be a stash.

This article said so:
https://nypost.com/2024/06/26/sports/knicks-select-french-wing-pacome-dadiet-with-no-25-pick-in-nba-draft/

Jalen Bluntson wrote: It's not even up to him. The team added multiple first round picks and even 2nd round picks to the rotation over the last several years. Thibs played a few rookies IQ/Grimes/Obi/Deuce were examples.

No one said that Thibs did not play rookies at all. But lots of people complained he did not play them enough.

Jalen Bluntson wrote: Bridges deal has nothing to do with anything.

Check this out.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/knicks-complete-mikal-bridges-trade-000300393.html

Quote from the article: If the trade were to be completed as is, however, the Knicks would be hard-capped at the $178.13 million first apron, meaning under no circumstances would they be allowed to have a payroll exceeding that number this season, the reason being they are taking back more money in Bridges’ $23.3 million salary than they are sending out in Bogdanovic’s $19 million salary.

Jalen Bluntson wrote: Kyle's GF story? Huh?

Uh-huh. This one I will let you Google on your own.

Jalen Bluntson wrote: Welcome to the board BALLBOY! Now STFU AND GTFO!!

Cheers! Love your nick!

This doesn't feel like a ballboy response. Who are you?????

SOMEKnicks · Post #2272 » by **SOMEKnicks** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:19 pm

JayTWill wrote:
SOMEKnicks wrote:

Jalen Bluntson wrote: Welcome to the board BALLBOY! Now STFU AND GTFO!!

Cheers! Love your nick!

This doesn't feel like a ballboy response. Who are you?????

New user here. Greetings!

JayTWill · Post #2273 » by **JayTWill** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:38 pm

SOMEKnicks wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
SOMEKnicks wrote:

Cheers! Love your nick!

This doesn't feel like a ballboy response. Who are you?????

New user here. Greetings!

7 posts total. Multiples gifs used. Multiple links posted. Handing out And 1's. Breaking down a singular quote into multiple quotes.....
REVEAL YOUR TRUE IDENTITY!

BKlutch · Post #2274 » by **BKlutch** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:42 pm

SOMEKnicks wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
SOMEKnicks wrote:

Cheers! Love your nick!

This doesn't feel like a ballboy response. Who are you?????

New username here. Greetings!

FIFY

SOMEKnicks · Post #2275 » by **SOMEKnicks** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:44 pm

JayTWill wrote:
SOMEKnicks wrote:
JayTWill wrote:

This doesn't feel like a ballboy response. Who are you?????

New user here. Greetings!

7 posts total. Multiples gifs used. Multiple links posted. Handing out And 1's. Breaking down a singular quote into multiple quotes.....
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What do you want me to say? I am a fast learner. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

JayTWill · Post #2276 » by **JayTWill** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:52 pm

SOMEKnicks wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
SOMEKnicks wrote:
New user here. Greetings!

7 posts total. Multiples gifs used. Multiple links posted. Handing out And 1's. Breaking down a singular quote into multiple quotes.....
REVEAL YOUR TRUE IDENTITY!

What do you want me to say? I am a fast learner. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The other day I couldn't figure out how to embed a YouTube video starting at the 24:50 mark. Can you show me how? :-?

spree2kawhi · Post #2277 » by **spree2kawhi** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 7:56 pm

Capn'O wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
If they got him just to guard bigger bigs they're gonna regret it. I do think he'll have the green light to space though. OKC seems like a team that wants to run 5 out.

Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=W09F6FrMDfp5_y1gKYgF1g

SGA
Dort/Caruso
Williams
Chet
iHart

???

Not bad.

Strong team, but I think Dallas and Minnesota should be the top teams out there yet again.

SOMEKnicks · Post #2278 » by **SOMEKnicks** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:02 pm

JayTWill wrote:
SOMEKnicks wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
7 posts total. Multiples gifs used. Multiple links posted. Handing out And 1's. Breaking down a singular quote into multiple quotes.....
REVEAL YOUR TRUE IDENTITY!

What do you want me to say? I am a fast learner. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The other day I couldn't figure out how to embed a YouTube video starting at the 24:50 mark. Can you show me how?

No clue. Honest. Otherwise, I would have shown you. I guess, this means I am not such a fast learner after all. :wink:

Riot Randolph · Post #2279 » by **Riot Randolph** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:08 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:i do think thibs shouldve def gave him the green light to shoot 3s. his form is pretty decent.

but with that being said, imo i really feel like hes gonna have a really small role on OKC versus he did with us. i doubt they are gonna play him through the high post and let him shoot 3s. he about to be last year's version of himself

I'm very curious to see how he will be used in OKC and he will be missed here but I do think we tend to overstate how big of a role he had in New York. His passing was great but it was a very limited part of the offense. He took a step back as far as involvement from his time in LA even last year. Per 100 possessions he actually had more shot attempts, free throw attempts, assists, blocks, time of possession etc in LA. He basically only had more minutes last year, controlled his fouling and improved a bit as a rebounder in New York.

It's hard for me to imagine him having a smaller role in OKC than the limited role of the center on a Thibs team in the slowest paced offense in the league along with the addition of Mikal and the return of Randle and Mitch.

I hear you, but I'm not sure I really see him having a bigger role on OKC either. He's gonna be behind SGA, J-Dub, Chet.

his athleticism was never a concern …it was his iq , still have nightmares of him getting called for the same foul 3 times in a row , having his hand on the hip of embiid. His horrendous screens and picks, he’s not worth that money

JayTWill · Post #2280 » by **JayTWill** » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:14 pm

SOMEKnicks wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
SOMEKnicks wrote:
What do you want me to say? I am a fast learner. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The other day I couldn't figure out how to embed a YouTube video starting at the 24:50 mark. Can you show me how?

No clue. Honest. Otherwise, I would have shown you. I guess, this means I am not such a fast learner after all.