Week 3 NFL Discussion

[Cactus Jack]

I hate to do this. But...

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Bengals are a high scoring team when healthy, yet they held them to 3 fg in the redzone so job well done when I had the Bengals winning by 2 scores. Still surprised WFT managed to score over 30 on Cincy.

Why is this surprising? The Bengals defense is terrible.

They lost their starting NT (Reader) and didn't bother replacing him. They had two 3 techs starting next to each other, neither are NT but didn't matter lost both of them too (Rankins and BJ Hill). So last night they started Zach Carter and Jay Tufele on their interior line. Behind them were Guy who played end most his career and is 34 years old, just joined the team like 5 days ago and rookie Kris Jenkins in a club. They also played quite a bit of 5-2 prior to this season but didn't bother bringing back Tupou back who played 5 tech.

On the edge Hendrickson is a sack monster but Murphy is his back-up and been out all year, so stuck with Ossai. Hubbard is okay but Sample was his back-up and will miss the entire season, so dude doesn't have a real back-up.

The defensive line is swiss cheese. Pratt and Wilson are fine at the 2nd level but neither have ever been great at sealing an edge.

Then when you look at the secondary they have Dax Hill starting outside who played safety last season and nickel in college. He's not an outside corner. Cam Taylor-Britt is a #2 at best and won't shut up, keeps getting burnt week after week. Then Hilton in the nickel just hasn't been good for a couple years. On the backend, Geno Stone has not been as advertised, thus far. Bell playing the other safety spot but Panthers paying his salary this season, guy is pretty washed. Battle should he playing that spot but he's just not good. Rookie Daijahn Anthony is their dime and had the key PI penalty against the Cheifs last week.

So again, i ask, what about this defense gives you any confidence they would be good? People have been running all over them all season and until they get a nose tackle, it will continue to happen.

[DOT]

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These stats are wrong, or at the very least misleading

Firstly, the passing yards a season, Trevor has 12,330 yards over 4 seasons (and that's taking 3 games this year as one season), which is 3,083

It also doesn't use the same logic for Jones, he has 13,112 yards over 6 seasons, which is 2,185 not 2,502. I don't know where they got that number from

Also, Jones' best year he had 3,205 yards, Trevor's worst year he had 3,641 yards. Trevor has eclipsed 4k yards 2 out of 3 years and never under 3k (which is where my bullsh*t alarm went off seeing his average be supposedly under 3k a season), Jones has only eclipsed 3k yards a season twice out of 4 relatively healthy years. Trevor has thrown more than 20 TDs in 2 out of 3 seasons, Jones did it once in his rookie year

If the comparison were accurate, there wouldn't need to be fudging of numbers. It relies on the fact Jones has just flat-out played more than Trevor plus Trevor's rookie year is a third of the raw data when he took a clear step up after it even if he hasn't kept up

Like I said, his per17 averages the last 2 seasons are 4188 yards, 24 TDs to 11 INTs, 65.9% completion, 91.9 Rate

If we take out last year for Jones which was also a clear outlier, his per17 averages are 3653 yards, 19 TDs to 11 INTs, 64.0% completion, 86.5 Rate

I know it's just meant to be trolling, and it works, but still. It annoys me especially when they use inaccurate numbers. Trevor is good, I have no doubts about that. The entire team is playing like garbage. Get an actual coach and OC, and we would look significantly better, Doug is letting Press Taylor ruin another job for him.

[Cactus Jack]

These stats are wrong, or at the very least misleading

Firstly, the passing yards a season, Trevor has 12,330 yards over 4 seasons (and that's taking 3 games this year as one season), which is 3,083

It also doesn't use the same logic for Jones, he has 13,112 yards over 6 seasons, which is 2,185 not 2,502. I don't know where they got that number from

Also, Jones' best year he had 3,205 yards, Trevor's worst year he had 3,641 yards. Trevor has eclipsed 4k yards 2 out of 3 years and never under 3k (which is where my bullsh*t alarm went off seeing his average be supposedly under 3k a season), Jones has only eclipsed 3k yards a season twice out of 4 relatively healthy years. Trevor has thrown more than 20 TDs in 2 out of 3 seasons, Jones did it once in his rookie year

If the comparison were accurate, there wouldn't need to be fudging of numbers. It relies on the fact Jones has just flat-out played more than Trevor plus Trevor's rookie year is a third of the raw data when he took a clear step up after it even if he hasn't kept up

Like I said, his per17 averages the last 2 seasons are 4188 yards, 24 TDs to 11 INTs, 65.9% completion, 91.9 Rate

If we take out last year for Jones which was also a clear outlier, his per17 averages are 3653 yards, 19 TDs to 11 INTs, 64.0% completion, 86.5 Rate

I know it's just meant to be trolling, and it works, but still. It annoys me especially when they use inaccurate numbers. Trevor is good, I have no doubts about that. The entire team is playing like garbage. Get an actual coach and OC, and we would look significantly better, Doug is letting Press Taylor ruin another job for him.

lol are they? Not surprising.

The eye test would tend to agree with this take. But then again, most of us aren't watching him on a weekly basis.

I'm not as informed on the issues there, as you are. So, I'll take your word. But yeah, they probably need to clean house.

[Cactus Jack]

Fwiw it's the same deal with Geno. The casual fan writes him off. But for the people who watch him on a week-to-week basis, he doesn't get enough credit honestly. Is he perfect all the time? No. But considering some factors, he's actually played very well.

[DOT]

lol are they? Not surprising.

The eye test would tend to agree with this take. But then again, most of us aren't watching him on a weekly basis.

I'm not as informed on the issues there, as you are. So, I'll take your word. But yeah, they probably need to clean house.

I mean, of course I'm biased, we just gave him a 275 million dollar extension

But when I watch him, I see someone who is a good QB. Bad game last night yeah, and not great overall this year, but I don't buy this more than the last 2 years of him being legit

I genuinely believe if the Jags don't get him right, he's gonna have a career arc like Goff or Baker. Hell, Sam Darnold looks like a legit QB with good playcalling, and you can't convince me he has more talent than Trevor or that the Vikings offense is just that much more talented than ours (not a dig at Minny, just saying I think overall our skill position talent is really good)

I just don't know what you do at this point this season. Doug's gotta go for sure, but if we fire him, who do we replace him with? Absolutely not Press, it'd have to be Nielsen, and he's a defensive guy. Press would still be OC so nothing would change, and if we fire Press and keep Doug, I still don't think anything changes because it's still his system and I'm convinced he's been calling plays this whole time

This season's a wash, just fire Doug at some point and hire Ben Johnson from Detroit. And fire Baalke too, but that should've been done the second Urban was gone, the dude sucks. Travon Walker over Aidan Hutchinson what the ****.

[Cactus Jack]

lol are they? Not surprising.

The eye test would tend to agree with this take. But then again, most of us aren't watching him on a weekly basis.

I'm not as informed on the issues there, as you are. So, I'll take your word. But yeah, they probably need to clean house.

I mean, of course I'm biased, we just gave him a 275 million dollar extension

But when I watch him, I see someone who is a good QB. Bad game last night yeah, and not great overall this year, but I don't buy this more than the last 2 years of him being legit

I genuinely believe if the Jags don't get him right, he's gonna have a career arc like Goff or Baker. Hell, Sam Darnold looks like a legit QB with good playcalling, and you can't convince me he has more talent than Trevor or that the Vikings offense is just that much more talented than ours (not a dig at Minny, just saying I think overall our skill position talent is really good)

I just don't know what you do at this point this season. Doug's gotta go for sure, but if we fire him, who do we replace him with? Absolutely not Press, it'd have to be Nielsen, and he's a defensive guy. Press would still be OC so nothing would change, and if we fire Press and keep Doug, I still don't think anything changes because it's still his system and I'm convinced he's been calling plays this whole time

This season's a wash, just fire Doug at some point and hire Ben Johnson from Detroit. And fire Baalke too, but that should've been done the second Urban was gone, the dude sucks. Travon Walker over Aidan Hutchinson what the ****.

Yeah, Baalke has made some odd choices.

Coaching is everything. If you can land a legit one that can turn everything around.

[WentzerWuver]

lol are they? Not surprising.

The eye test would tend to agree with this take. But then again, most of us aren't watching him on a weekly basis.

I'm not as informed on the issues there, as you are. So, I'll take your word. But yeah, they probably need to clean house.

I mean, of course I'm biased, we just gave him a 275 million dollar extension

But when I watch him, I see someone who is a good QB. Bad game last night yeah, and not great overall this year, but I don't buy this more than the lasted about 2 years of him being legit

I genuinely believe if the Jags don't get him right, he's gonna have a career arc like Goff or Baker. Hell, Sam Darnold looks like a legit QB with good playcalling, and you can't convince me he has more talent than Trevor or that the Vikings offense is just that much more talented than ours (not a dig at Minny, just saying I think overall our skill position talent is really good)

I just don't know what you do at this point this season. Doug's gotta go for sure, but if we fire him, who do we replace him with? Absolutely not Press, it'd have to be Nielsen, and he's a defensive guy. Press would still be OC so nothing would change, and if we fire Press and keep Doug, I still don't think anything changes because it's still his system and I'm convinced he's been calling plays this whole time

This season's a wash, just fire Doug at some point and hire Ben Johnson from Detroit. And fire Baalke too, but that should've been done the second Urban was gone, the dude sucks. Travon Walker over Aidan Hutchinson what the ****.

The reason for Trevor's play this season is commonly associated to the "contract year syndrome" which is a post-contract performance crash that generally lasts for 2 seasons following big contract signings as a life changing moment. It impacts more sports athletes than you may think or want to believe. You know it's not Pederson's fault, but he will get blamed again just like he did once Wentz begin to struggle mentally following his record-setting contract at the time. This was the coach who guilded my Eagles to a SB victory over the goat and I like Pederson a lot more than Sirianni and would swap them right now if possible. Even Josh Allen performance regressed following his big contract extension which lasted about 2 seasons with better playmakers but he has recovered this season. So it has nothing to do with fixing Trevor by cleaning house but to allow the 2 years regressing to take place before he can recover from it where the motivation to play for that big contract was accomplished. Maybe that's when he can motivate himself again to signing his next big contract. Not saying contracts motivates all athletes followed by regression, but it does for many based on scientific info.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140122170622.htm

It's probably no difference for anyone of us after winning the big lottery that impacts our lives for the worst due to greed and not caring to work anymore. It would change you too, so try not to blame the athletes when it impacts them as well.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lottery-winners-no-happy-ending_uk_5c2f6c40e4b08aaf7a98a41a

[hermes]

remember when i was first in the pick'em group after week 1? well the universe has righted itself and after two terrible weeks i'm below .500

hopefully no one was thinking i'm an elite football mind or anything like that

[hermes]

you can still get pretty good odds on darnold for mvp

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