OT: Clinton or Bush?

[MrDollarBills]

Uh yeah looks like the IDF and Mossad just finished off Hezbollah

[DOT]

If Tim Poole and those jokers were making 100k a pop to spread disinformation for Russian intelligence you can bet safely that there are folks in the "center" and left who are in on it too. I would see folks with large followings on Twitter in Black and Progressive circles spewing absolute horse sh*t.

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Yep. Perfect example

Actually really is

Cause both're bad for you, just one tastes better and kills you slower.

[Pointgod]

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[MrDollarBills]

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Man this guy is such a pervert

[St Knick]

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Treasonous

[ScienceOfLosing]

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Treasonous

It Truly is. Destruction from within, coupled with foreign infiltration.
Tribunals are coming. Bookmark it.

[ScienceOfLosing]

Great point, 30 sec short.

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[MrDollarBills]

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Treasonous

It Truly is. Destruction from within, coupled with foreign infiltration.
Tribunals are coming. Bookmark it.

I too think that immigrants should be held to a higher standard than say, a US Presidential candidate.

[Clyde_Style]

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Treasonous

It Truly is. Destruction from within, coupled with foreign infiltration.
Tribunals are coming. Bookmark it.

I too think that immigrants should be held to a higher standard than say, a US Presidential candidate.

Yet they'll tell you January 5th was a false flag operation or the stolen nuclear secrets next to the toilet was executive privilege

[Clyde_Style]

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Man has the IQ of a gerbil

Dementia is turning him into a word salad contraption

[thebuzzardman]

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Man this guy is such a pervert

They need to check the Melania side of the display for semen stains.

Well, probably both sides. He's kind of freaky.

[thebuzzardman]

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Treasonous

It Truly is. Destruction from within, coupled with foreign infiltration.
Tribunals are coming. Bookmark it.

Bet if you compare crime rates among immigrants, illegal immigrants and US citizens, the numbers break down exactly the same.


Legal or illegal immigration is still a complex issue worthy of discussion (and I'm a BIG fan of legal immigration because the USA will use it and does use it to avoid the demographic collapse happening basically everywhere else) but this this angle is pure fear mongering.

Oh well. Fear mongering is age old politics and propaganda. Both parties will do it. Of course, almost no one ever acknowledges their side doing it.

[Jalen Bluntson]

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Treasonous

It Truly is. Destruction from within, coupled with foreign infiltration.
Tribunals are coming. Bookmark it.

Bet if you compare crime rates among immigrants, illegal immigrants and US citizens, the numbers break down exactly the same.


Legal or illegal immigration is still a complex issue worthy of discussion (and I'm a BIG fan of legal immigration because the USA will use it and does use it to avoid the demographic collapse happening basically everywhere else) but this this angle is pure fear mongering.

Oh well. Fear mongering is age old politics and propaganda. Both parties will do it. Of course, almost no one ever acknowledges their side doing it.

Those numbers are pretty bad though. Comparing them to citizens doesn't really matter because they are here illegally. Complex or not, they shouldn't be released into the country with these charges against them. Fear mongering? It's just a break down of criminals being released into our population who should have been detained and deported. That's not a good look.

I was looking at a year in jail for driving TO WORK with a suspended license a few of times. This was back when there was discussion of giving illegal immigrants a drivers license. I plead it down and did 3 months for that. I was not just released into the wild while awaiting trial. I would think sexual assault or whatever, while not a citizen, would be a little more important than a citizen driving to work without a license. Make it make sense.

[DOT]

It Truly is. Destruction from within, coupled with foreign infiltration.
Tribunals are coming. Bookmark it.

Bet if you compare crime rates among immigrants, illegal immigrants and US citizens, the numbers break down exactly the same.


Legal or illegal immigration is still a complex issue worthy of discussion (and I'm a BIG fan of legal immigration because the USA will use it and does use it to avoid the demographic collapse happening basically everywhere else) but this this angle is pure fear mongering.

Oh well. Fear mongering is age old politics and propaganda. Both parties will do it. Of course, almost no one ever acknowledges their side doing it.

Those numbers are pretty bad though. Comparing them to citizens doesn't really matter because they are here illegally. Complex or not, they shouldn't be released into the country with these charges against them. Fear mongering? It's just a break down of criminals being released into our population who should have been detained and deported. That's not a good look.

I was looking at a year in jail for driving TO WORK with a suspended license a few of times. This was back when there was discussion of giving illegal immigrants a drivers license. I plead it down and did 3 months for that. I was not just released into the wild while awaiting trial. I would think sexual assault or whatever, while not a citizen, would be a little more important than a citizen driving to work without a license. Make it make sense.

https://www.crossroadstoday.com/news/politics/national-politics/fact-check-to-attack-harris-trump-falsely-describes-new-stats-on-immigrants-and-homicide/article_60bd3382-1e53-5232-b188-7bc315abc1fc.html

A note, just so you're clear on this:

The list of convicted criminals on the non-detained docket includes both people who crossed the border illegally and people who came to the US legally, such as with a visa or green card, and then committed a crime and were placed in removal proceedings or were given a removal order.

Spoiler:

Second, that ICE “non-detained” list includes people who are still serving jail and prison sentences for their crimes; they are on the list because they are not being held in immigration detention in particular.

Why aren’t these people in immigration detention if they have been convicted of a crime as serious as homicide? Under a 2001 Supreme Court decision, the US government is not allowed to indefinitely keep someone in immigration detention after they have been ordered removed from the country. So if someone has served their criminal sentence for homicide and then is ordered to be removed from the US, but their country is uncooperative with the US on immigration and won’t take them back, they must be released in the US — usually after no more than six months in immigration detention.

A previous official federal report said there were 368,574 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of August 2016, under the Obama administration, about five months before Trump became president. And another federal document said there were 405,786 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of early June 2021, less than five months into the Biden-Harris administration. Again, the July 2024 number was 425,431 total convicted criminals.

In other words, the list grew about 10% between August 2016 and June 2021 — a roughly five-year period that included the four-year Trump administration — and then grew about another roughly 5% in the three-plus years under the Biden-Harris administration between June 2021 and July 2024.

Regardless, there’s no basis for saying, as Trump kept doing Friday, that all of the people on the docket with homicide convictions came in during the Biden-Harris administration — and the numbers show “the docket certainly grew under the Trump administration,” Sandweg said. (He added that, to be fair, Trump faced the same stubborn issues with uncooperative foreign countries as other presidents.)

So in short, this is not a list of illegal immigrants who committed crimes, this is a list of all migrants who have committed crimes. We don't keep a super close eye on this list, but it has been around for decades and it has not significantly increased in the last 4 years. Furthermore, just because someone is a convicted criminal does not mean ICE can or should be the ones detaining them, they are given over to the police. Some of these people have already served their time, some are currently doing so

And finally, the big issue here is that in order to deport, we need somewhere to deport to. If their country won't accept them back, we can't just dump them somewhere, and that has been the big issue basically for ever, even under Trump

So this is at best misleading, and at worst actively deceitful and xenophobic. Because if you aren't paying attention (which you weren't because you presumed good faith), it's presented as there are 700,000 illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes that are just walking free with no consequences. This is just flat out not true.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Bet if you compare crime rates among immigrants, illegal immigrants and US citizens, the numbers break down exactly the same.


Legal or illegal immigration is still a complex issue worthy of discussion (and I'm a BIG fan of legal immigration because the USA will use it and does use it to avoid the demographic collapse happening basically everywhere else) but this this angle is pure fear mongering.

Oh well. Fear mongering is age old politics and propaganda. Both parties will do it. Of course, almost no one ever acknowledges their side doing it.

Those numbers are pretty bad though. Comparing them to citizens doesn't really matter because they are here illegally. Complex or not, they shouldn't be released into the country with these charges against them. Fear mongering? It's just a break down of criminals being released into our population who should have been detained and deported. That's not a good look.

I was looking at a year in jail for driving TO WORK with a suspended license a few of times. This was back when there was discussion of giving illegal immigrants a drivers license. I plead it down and did 3 months for that. I was not just released into the wild while awaiting trial. I would think sexual assault or whatever, while not a citizen, would be a little more important than a citizen driving to work without a license. Make it make sense.

https://www.crossroadstoday.com/news/politics/national-politics/fact-check-to-attack-harris-trump-falsely-describes-new-stats-on-immigrants-and-homicide/article_60bd3382-1e53-5232-b188-7bc315abc1fc.html

A note, just so you're clear on this:

The list of convicted criminals on the non-detained docket includes both people who crossed the border illegally and people who came to the US legally, such as with a visa or green card, and then committed a crime and were placed in removal proceedings or were given a removal order.

Spoiler:

Second, that ICE “non-detained” list includes people who are still serving jail and prison sentences for their crimes; they are on the list because they are not being held in immigration detention in particular.

Why aren’t these people in immigration detention if they have been convicted of a crime as serious as homicide? Under a 2001 Supreme Court decision, the US government is not allowed to indefinitely keep someone in immigration detention after they have been ordered removed from the country. So if someone has served their criminal sentence for homicide and then is ordered to be removed from the US, but their country is uncooperative with the US on immigration and won’t take them back, they must be released in the US — usually after no more than six months in immigration detention.

A previous official federal report said there were 368,574 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of August 2016, under the Obama administration, about five months before Trump became president. And another federal document said there were 405,786 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of early June 2021, less than five months into the Biden-Harris administration. Again, the July 2024 number was 425,431 total convicted criminals.

In other words, the list grew about 10% between August 2016 and June 2021 — a roughly five-year period that included the four-year Trump administration — and then grew about another roughly 5% in the three-plus years under the Biden-Harris administration between June 2021 and July 2024.

Regardless, there’s no basis for saying, as Trump kept doing Friday, that all of the people on the docket with homicide convictions came in during the Biden-Harris administration — and the numbers show “the docket certainly grew under the Trump administration,” Sandweg said. (He added that, to be fair, Trump faced the same stubborn issues with uncooperative foreign countries as other presidents.)

So in short, this is not a list of illegal immigrants who committed crimes, this is a list of all migrants who have committed crimes. We don't keep a super close eye on this list, but it has been around for decades and it has not significantly increased in the last 4 years. Furthermore, just because someone is a convicted criminal does not mean ICE can or should be the ones detaining them, they are given over to the police. Some of these people have already served their time, some are currently doing so

And finally, the big issue here is that in order to deport, we need somewhere to deport to. If their country won't accept them back, we can't just dump them somewhere, and that has been the big issue basically for ever, even under Trump

So this is at best misleading, and at worst actively deceitful and xenophobic. Because if you aren't paying attention (which you weren't because you presumed good faith), it's presented as there are 700,000 illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes that are just walking free with no consequences. This is just flat out not true.

I meant to add unless the numbers are being manipulated/misrepresented somehow. I didn't do a deep dive at all though. Seeing how illegal immigration is the big political football, it would help to give actual facts and context to these numbers in that regard.

Still doesn't change my point though. If a legal immigrant commits crimes they can still be deported as well. The SC ruling about not being able to keep them in detention centers is kind of backwards thinking honestly. It exacerbates the problem. Who's idea was that?

I really want secure borders but, I do get that it is not easy. The political football has been a big pile of lies since the Alamo days basically. When you take land from people and they keep coming back for over 100 years? I think it's safe to say NO ONE has ever solved the problem and, most don't even try hard enough. Add to it the sanctions and conditions we helped cause in some of the countries these people are fleeing from and here we are. A big convoluted mess. Incomplete walls. Poor policies. Political nonsense. It's been happening from day one.

[DOT]

Still doesn't change my point though. If a legal immigrant commits certain crimes they can still be deported as well. The SC ruling about not being able to keep them in detention centers is kind of backwards thinking honestly. It exacerbates the problem. Who's idea was that?

The whole problem is you need a place to deport them to, otherwise what you're arguing is to just put them in prison forever

Deportation is a legal process, you can't just dump them somewhere on foreign soil, you need the cooperation of that government, and if they don't want them, not much you can do about it. Trump ran into the same problem

Thinking someone should be jailed forever is much more backwards thinking than letting someone walk if they've served their time and we don't have a place to deport them to.

[MrDollarBills]

Bet if you compare crime rates among immigrants, illegal immigrants and US citizens, the numbers break down exactly the same.


Legal or illegal immigration is still a complex issue worthy of discussion (and I'm a BIG fan of legal immigration because the USA will use it and does use it to avoid the demographic collapse happening basically everywhere else) but this this angle is pure fear mongering.

Oh well. Fear mongering is age old politics and propaganda. Both parties will do it. Of course, almost no one ever acknowledges their side doing it.

Those numbers are pretty bad though. Comparing them to citizens doesn't really matter because they are here illegally. Complex or not, they shouldn't be released into the country with these charges against them. Fear mongering? It's just a break down of criminals being released into our population who should have been detained and deported. That's not a good look.

I was looking at a year in jail for driving TO WORK with a suspended license a few of times. This was back when there was discussion of giving illegal immigrants a drivers license. I plead it down and did 3 months for that. I was not just released into the wild while awaiting trial. I would think sexual assault or whatever, while not a citizen, would be a little more important than a citizen driving to work without a license. Make it make sense.

https://www.crossroadstoday.com/news/politics/national-politics/fact-check-to-attack-harris-trump-falsely-describes-new-stats-on-immigrants-and-homicide/article_60bd3382-1e53-5232-b188-7bc315abc1fc.html

A note, just so you're clear on this:

The list of convicted criminals on the non-detained docket includes both people who crossed the border illegally and people who came to the US legally, such as with a visa or green card, and then committed a crime and were placed in removal proceedings or were given a removal order.

Spoiler:

Second, that ICE “non-detained” list includes people who are still serving jail and prison sentences for their crimes; they are on the list because they are not being held in immigration detention in particular.

Why aren’t these people in immigration detention if they have been convicted of a crime as serious as homicide? Under a 2001 Supreme Court decision, the US government is not allowed to indefinitely keep someone in immigration detention after they have been ordered removed from the country. So if someone has served their criminal sentence for homicide and then is ordered to be removed from the US, but their country is uncooperative with the US on immigration and won’t take them back, they must be released in the US — usually after no more than six months in immigration detention.

A previous official federal report said there were 368,574 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of August 2016, under the Obama administration, about five months before Trump became president. And another federal document said there were 405,786 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of early June 2021, less than five months into the Biden-Harris administration. Again, the July 2024 number was 425,431 total convicted criminals.

In other words, the list grew about 10% between August 2016 and June 2021 — a roughly five-year period that included the four-year Trump administration — and then grew about another roughly 5% in the three-plus years under the Biden-Harris administration between June 2021 and July 2024.

Regardless, there’s no basis for saying, as Trump kept doing Friday, that all of the people on the docket with homicide convictions came in during the Biden-Harris administration — and the numbers show “the docket certainly grew under the Trump administration,” Sandweg said. (He added that, to be fair, Trump faced the same stubborn issues with uncooperative foreign countries as other presidents.)

So in short, this is not a list of illegal immigrants who committed crimes, this is a list of all migrants who have committed crimes. We don't keep a super close eye on this list, but it has been around for decades and it has not significantly increased in the last 4 years. Furthermore, just because someone is a convicted criminal does not mean ICE can or should be the ones detaining them, they are given over to the police. Some of these people have already served their time, some are currently doing so

And finally, the big issue here is that in order to deport, we need somewhere to deport to. If their country won't accept them back, we can't just dump them somewhere, and that has been the big issue basically for ever, even under Trump

So this is at best misleading, and at worst actively deceitful and xenophobic. Because if you aren't paying attention (which you weren't because you presumed good faith), it's presented as there are 700,000 illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes that are just walking free with no consequences. This is just flat out not true.

You beat me to it. well said

Also, what is it, 8% of the people on this list out of 7 million people?

Honestly, you're more likely to have a violent encounter with a natural born american citizen toting a firearm than you are some migrants wanting to come here to escape horrific conditions in central and south america. Migrants aren't killing American children at all time highs, it's other Americans.

That being said, i find the concerns surrounding immigrant criminality laughable coming from people who have loudly and proudly proclaimed that they are voting for a convicted felon and rapist.

[MrDollarBills]

I grew up in what Republicans would call a sanctuary city here in NJ, with a large brown population. Anyone who has any dealing with latino immigrants know they just wanna work and take care of their families. Dudes will be up early, 5am waiting to be picked up for work by contractors who employ them. The only people who think these folks are here to rape and kill are Republicans who never have any dealings with people who aren't the same skin color as they are.

Lots of folks who came here ended up starting businesses (taxi services, food and hospitality) and the economic benefits outweighed any weird obsessions with people being criminals.

Oh. And they know how to party too.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Still doesn't change my point though. If a legal immigrant commits certain crimes they can still be deported as well. The SC ruling about not being able to keep them in detention centers is kind of backwards thinking honestly. It exacerbates the problem. Who's idea was that?

The whole problem is you need a place to deport them to, otherwise what you're arguing is to just put them in prison forever

Deportation is a legal process, you can't just dump them somewhere on foreign soil, you need the cooperation of that government, and if they don't want them, not much you can do about it. Trump ran into the same problem

Thinking someone should be jailed forever is much more backwards thinking than letting someone walk if they've served their time and we don't have a place to deport them to.

Immigration is also a legal process. One that was skipped by some of these criminals.

If you are here committing crimes and deportation is the law...too bad for you. Should have thought about that sooner. Actions have consequences. Rapists and murderers etc should not be given the right to join our society in that situation IMO. I'm not talking about parking tickets here.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Those numbers are pretty bad though. Comparing them to citizens doesn't really matter because they are here illegally. Complex or not, they shouldn't be released into the country with these charges against them. Fear mongering? It's just a break down of criminals being released into our population who should have been detained and deported. That's not a good look.

I was looking at a year in jail for driving TO WORK with a suspended license a few of times. This was back when there was discussion of giving illegal immigrants a drivers license. I plead it down and did 3 months for that. I was not just released into the wild while awaiting trial. I would think sexual assault or whatever, while not a citizen, would be a little more important than a citizen driving to work without a license. Make it make sense.

https://www.crossroadstoday.com/news/politics/national-politics/fact-check-to-attack-harris-trump-falsely-describes-new-stats-on-immigrants-and-homicide/article_60bd3382-1e53-5232-b188-7bc315abc1fc.html

A note, just so you're clear on this:

The list of convicted criminals on the non-detained docket includes both people who crossed the border illegally and people who came to the US legally, such as with a visa or green card, and then committed a crime and were placed in removal proceedings or were given a removal order.

Spoiler:

Second, that ICE “non-detained” list includes people who are still serving jail and prison sentences for their crimes; they are on the list because they are not being held in immigration detention in particular.

Why aren’t these people in immigration detention if they have been convicted of a crime as serious as homicide? Under a 2001 Supreme Court decision, the US government is not allowed to indefinitely keep someone in immigration detention after they have been ordered removed from the country. So if someone has served their criminal sentence for homicide and then is ordered to be removed from the US, but their country is uncooperative with the US on immigration and won’t take them back, they must be released in the US — usually after no more than six months in immigration detention.

A previous official federal report said there were 368,574 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of August 2016, under the Obama administration, about five months before Trump became president. And another federal document said there were 405,786 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of early June 2021, less than five months into the Biden-Harris administration. Again, the July 2024 number was 425,431 total convicted criminals.

In other words, the list grew about 10% between August 2016 and June 2021 — a roughly five-year period that included the four-year Trump administration — and then grew about another roughly 5% in the three-plus years under the Biden-Harris administration between June 2021 and July 2024.

Regardless, there’s no basis for saying, as Trump kept doing Friday, that all of the people on the docket with homicide convictions came in during the Biden-Harris administration — and the numbers show “the docket certainly grew under the Trump administration,” Sandweg said. (He added that, to be fair, Trump faced the same stubborn issues with uncooperative foreign countries as other presidents.)

So in short, this is not a list of illegal immigrants who committed crimes, this is a list of all migrants who have committed crimes. We don't keep a super close eye on this list, but it has been around for decades and it has not significantly increased in the last 4 years. Furthermore, just because someone is a convicted criminal does not mean ICE can or should be the ones detaining them, they are given over to the police. Some of these people have already served their time, some are currently doing so

And finally, the big issue here is that in order to deport, we need somewhere to deport to. If their country won't accept them back, we can't just dump them somewhere, and that has been the big issue basically for ever, even under Trump

So this is at best misleading, and at worst actively deceitful and xenophobic. Because if you aren't paying attention (which you weren't because you presumed good faith), it's presented as there are 700,000 illegal immigrants who have committed violent crimes that are just walking free with no consequences. This is just flat out not true.

You beat me to it. well said

Also, what is it, 8% of the people on this list out of 7 million people?

Honestly, you're more likely to have a violent encounter with a natural born american citizen toting a firearm than you are some migrants wanting to come here to escape horrific conditions in central and south america. Migrants aren't killing American children at all time highs, it's other Americans.

That being said, i find the concerns surrounding immigrant criminality laughable coming from people who have loudly and proudly proclaimed that they are voting for a convicted felon and rapist.

Crossing the border illegally is a crime for one thing. Committing rapes/murders etc should immediately exclude your rights to being here even if you served time. If there's nowhere to send you, too bad for you. There's levels to this obviously but, where is the line drawn? It's not crazy to see why people have issues with this.

The political games played are a big problem too. Instead of packing the supreme court... perhaps Donald should have appointed more judges etc to handle the backlogs of applications for asylum.

The Democrats shouldn't be against building a wall/securing the border as much as they seem to have been either Neither side makes any sense of the problem.

It's like they don't even know how to solve the problems so they toss the hot potato back and forth. Dividing the country over a problem they never seem to come close to solving.