Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Beal for Midds discussed last year

[Fotis St]

Just a reminder that when it has mattered most, Khris has had more availability than Giannis. He was also elite against the Pacers, so the talks of him being old and washed are lazy takes

Khris hasn't carry any regular season load as long as I remember him... Giannis & Dame carried his load and got injured. Khris is old, washed but still capable as a playoff scorer, which means he is basically Portland Carmelo.

[theFireBlanket]

Just a reminder that when it has mattered most, Khris has had more availability than Giannis. He was also elite against the Pacers, so the talks of him being old and washed are lazy takes

Khris hasn't carry any regular season load as long as I remember him... Giannis & Dame carried his load and got injured. Khris is old, washed but still capable as a playoff scorer, which means he is basically Portland Carmelo.

Melo averaged 4 & 6 ppg in the playoffs as a Blazer. Hell nah.

[Jez2983]

Too bad that wasn't the problem. Biggest problem with the offense had been the same thing for years, too many terrible passers surrounding our stars.

Well gotta hope trent n wright make up for some of that i think midds dame n gisnnis are very good passerd

Very late on this, generally saying I don't disagree with any of the points here, just my main off-season hope is that Doc has sat down and worked out what he is going to coach. We made it up as we went along for a lot of last season and were still quite successful. I'd really like to see some good schemes for 24-25.

[Daver]

Pretty good early season for trent

GTJ will average 15 ppg on 46 FG% and 42 3pt% and will finish the season top 5 in Bucks history in 3 pointers made in a season.

Has a year like that ill ve happy

[old skool]

An awful lot of pessimism here for early October based primarily on personal fears and insecurities.

NBA success hinges more on player health and mid-season roster moves than on off-sesson player bonding and training camp prouncements.

The NBA season is a marathon that reveals little at the start. If early success foreshadowed the future, Brandon Jennings and his 55 point rookie explosion would be in the Hall of Fame and Giannis Antetokounmpo would be out of the league after averaging 7/4/2 on 41% FGA% as a rookie.

There are plenty of reasons for optimism or pessimism. An aging roster, injury histories, consecutive 1st round upsets and a heavy reliance on minimum contract players are legitimate concerns. But the Bucks have the most elusive ingredient needed to contend in the NBA - super star talent. That talent and a stable veteran core, combined with management and ownership that has shown the willingness to make bold moves are positives.

It is pointless to embrace either extreme so early in the journey.

[chonestown]

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[raferfenix]

Who's high on Taurean Prince here?

Darvin sure liked him in LA. Results weren't great with him as a starter but that team has its own issues and it's not like we're expecting him to crack the top 5 here.

It'd be big for us if he can be a versatile defensive specialist for when we play big wings.

I'm not clear if he's more a solid defender rotation filler kind of guy though.

[-Jragon-]

An awful lot of pessimism here for early October based primarily on personal fears and insecurities.

NBA success hinges more on player health and mid-season roster moves than on off-sesson player bonding and training camp prouncements.

The NBA season is a marathon that reveals little at the start. If early success foreshadowed the future, Brandon Jennings and his 55 point rookie explosion would be in the Hall of Fame and Giannis Antetokounmpo would be out of the league after averaging 7/4/2 on 41% FGA% as a rookie.

There are plenty of reasons for optimism or pessimism. An aging roster, injury histories, consecutive 1st round upsets and a heavy reliance on minimum contract players are legitimate concerns. But the Bucks have the most elusive ingredient needed to contend in the NBA - super star talent. That talent and a stable veteran core, combined with management and ownership that has shown the willingness to make bold moves are positives.

It is pointless to embrace either extreme so early in the journey.

It's more realistic than extreme. There are teams that throw very talented stars together, yet they never gel. Why? Concensus is usually between play style clashes, selfish/immature personalities and/or weak coaching. That's why some are worried..we've shown all these symptoms. Strong (or really smart) coaching or high IQ player leadership fixes it (Zen master). So far I have seen zero sign of any of that.. a lot of excuses, empty words, ugly plays, errant passing, bad injury decisions, poorly conditioned players, frustrated head down drives and hero ball. Basically the kind of bs that leads to early playoff exits.

[-Jragon-]

Also, it's a red flag that fans were just as happy too see Doc fired as they were to see him hired to coach their team. Not enough reasons to blindly trust him or even think he is equal to Bud.

[SupremeHustle]

Who's high on Taurean Prince here?

Darvin sure liked him in LA. Results weren't great with him as a starter but that team has its own issues and it's not like we're expecting him to crack the top 5 here.

It'd be big for us if he can be a versatile defensive specialist for when we play big wings.

I'm not clear if he's more a solid defender rotation filler kind of guy though.

He will have moments. Hard to be high on a guy that has been around for years already.

If he plays 20 plus minutes per game we need those minutes to be much better than Crowder's 20 plus minutes last season. That'll be a win for us.

[Frank Nova]

Just a reminder that when it has mattered most, Khris has had more availability than Giannis. He was also elite against the Pacers, so the talks of him being old and washed are lazy takes

Khris hasn't carry any regular season load as long as I remember him... Giannis & Dame carried his load and got injured. Khris is old, washed but still capable as a playoff scorer, which means he is basically Portland Carmelo.

Dude, please don’t start this crap already. I’m trying my best not to comment on garbage posts right now but comparing Khris to Portland Carmelo makes me insanely angry. Maybe you should just find a new team to root for that has all the makings of your ideal perfect team? That sounds beneficial for all parties involved.

[-Jragon-]

Just a reminder that when it has mattered most, Khris has had more availability than Giannis. He was also elite against the Pacers, so the talks of him being old and washed are lazy takes

Khris hasn't carry any regular season load as long as I remember him... Giannis & Dame carried his load and got injured. Khris is old, washed but still capable as a playoff scorer, which means he is basically Portland Carmelo.

Dude, please don’t start this crap already. I’m trying my best not to comment on garbage posts right now but comparing Khris to Portland Carmelo makes me insanely angry. Maybe you should just find a new team to root for that has all the makings of your ideal perfect team? That sounds beneficial for all parties involved.

Some KM anxiety fans feel is warranted.. Would it be hyperbole or unfair to say that KM is one-dimentional at this point of his career? Is it usually advantageous for teams to start someone that is one-dimentional and often unavailable? 6th man shouldn't be out of the question... Ginobli, Lou Williams, Vinnie Johnson... those were studs that came off the bench as firepower for the good of the team overall and allowed the coach to start off games aggressive on D.

[fansinceforever]

Making Khris Middleton a 6th man actually makes a ton of sense for this team.

[-Jragon-]

Furthermore; in regards to some thought on a 6th man role for KM...

Something to be said for a higher chance of consistency by picking a starting 5 that has the best probability of playing 50% or more of games together so they can build a chemistry on offense and defense and get plays down. Someone on endless minutes restrictions and no able to run near full speed often stunts that process - as we saw last year. How many games did KM start (without a minutes restriction) along side Giannis and Dame? Very few I'd guess.

[-Jragon-]

Jamal Crawford was also a stud 6th man. I think it might be the best use of his current reality as an inconsistently available guy that can provide instant offense without relying on plays

[paulpressey25]

Making Khris Middleton a 6th man actually makes a ton of sense for this team.

In concept yes.The reality is that it doesn't matter whether he starts or finishes games, he's got major injury issues.

He's only played in 55 games (27mpg) and 33 games (24mpg) games respectively the past two years

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/6609/khris-middleton

Him being starter or 6th man will make no difference as to whether or not he has more injury issues.

[emunney]

He's going to play high 20s in the regular season and high 30s in the postseason, just like he's been doing, just like Manu did. That knee won't last forever but the Pacers series showed me it's still got some juice.

[SupremeHustle]

Anyone who thinks a HEALTHY KM isn't good is crazy.

Anyone who thinks we're ever getting a consistently healthy KM again can join them in the asylum.

I love the guy. I have his jersey in my office. I think it's over for top-tier KM. He couldn't stay healthy. It happens.

[Prez]

Anyone else think Bobby looks slimmer? Hoping he’s not an abomination on D this year.

[Shaffty]

khris middleton discourse year 4