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Post#21 » by the_process » Mon Jul 1, 2024 4:31 am

Drummond will get less abused than any other Embiid back up in the playoffs.

Which is a roundabout way of saying this is a solid signing.
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Post#23 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jul 1, 2024 11:51 am

Good to have some power back in the reserve C role instead of the skinny guys we had last year.
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Post#24 » by Monix » Mon Jul 1, 2024 8:59 pm

same contract as Drew Eubanks?

granted, I only watch Eubanks when he's getting obliterated by Embiid...
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Post#25 » by FlyingArrow » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:26 am

Dennis Rodman is best known for his rebounding numbers. Drummond's numbers are simply better. There's more to basketball than just rebounding, and I'm not saying Drummond is a game changing presence like Rodman, but give them man his due. He's the all-time NBA leader in career TRB%, and it's not even close.

There are only 9 players with a career TRB% of 20% or better. Only 3 of those are over 22%. Rodman's 23.4% beats 3rd place Clint Capela's 22.0% by 1.4%. Drummond's 25.1% beats Rodman by 1.7%.

His last two years have been his best two rebounding years, even though he didn't play 1500 minutes to qualify for rate statistics.

In 2022-23, he had a 29.6% TRB% with a 40.2% DRB%. The DRB% season record is 37.98% DRB%.

In 2023-24, in 1351 minutes (not quite enough to qualify), he had 29.3% TRB% with a 21.5% ORB%. The record is 20.83%, and only one other season ever cleared 20%. He was on pace to break that record, too.

Neither of those 29% seasons qualified for the rate statistics records, but Rodman has the only qualifying 29% TRB% season.
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Post#26 » by SixthStreet » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:42 am

Rodman's rebounding was his 1A skill to his 1B of defensively being able to guard anyone well. Drummond can't really defend well anymore, if he ever could. No doubt Drummond can hoover up rebounds though.

Rodman could play in today's NBA because he could switch and snuff out any guard trying to ISO him.
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Post#27 » by youngcrev » Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:13 pm

FlyingArrow wrote:Dennis Rodman is best known for his rebounding numbers. Drummond's numbers are simply better. There's more to basketball than just rebounding, and I'm not saying Drummond is a game changing presence like Rodman, but give them man his due. He's the all-time NBA leader in career TRB%, and it's not even close.

There are only 9 players with a career TRB% of 20% or better. Only 3 of those are over 22%. Rodman's 23.4% beats 3rd place Clint Capela's 22.0% by 1.4%. Drummond's 25.1% beats Rodman by 1.7%.

His last two years have been his best two rebounding years, even though he didn't play 1500 minutes to qualify for rate statistics.

In 2022-23, he had a 29.6% TRB% with a 40.2% DRB%. The DRB% season record is 37.98% DRB%.

In 2023-24, in 1351 minutes (not quite enough to qualify), he had 29.3% TRB% with a 21.5% ORB%. The record is 20.83%, and only one other season ever cleared 20%. He was on pace to break that record, too.

Neither of those 29% seasons qualified for the rate statistics records, but Rodman has the only qualifying 29% TRB% season.


Seems tough to compare based on the differences in roster construction and team strategies. Seems to me centers get more rebounds now simply as a function of being the lone big on the floor in a more spread out scheme. Embiid manages to get criticized for him rebounding while grabbing 11 a game, and I don't think people are completely off base in those criticisms.

Rodman put up the 29% season playing next to David Robinson.
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Post#28 » by mjkvol » Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:25 pm

FlyingArrow wrote:Dennis Rodman is best known for his rebounding numbers. Drummond's numbers are simply better. There's more to basketball than just rebounding, and I'm not saying Drummond is a game changing presence like Rodman, but give them man his due. He's the all-time NBA leader in career TRB%, and it's not even close.

There are only 9 players with a career TRB% of 20% or better. Only 3 of those are over 22%. Rodman's 23.4% beats 3rd place Clint Capela's 22.0% by 1.4%. Drummond's 25.1% beats Rodman by 1.7%.

His last two years have been his best two rebounding years, even though he didn't play 1500 minutes to qualify for rate statistics.

In 2022-23, he had a 29.6% TRB% with a 40.2% DRB%. The DRB% season record is 37.98% DRB%.

In 2023-24, in 1351 minutes (not quite enough to qualify), he had 29.3% TRB% with a 21.5% ORB%. The record is 20.83%, and only one other season ever cleared 20%. He was on pace to break that record, too.

Neither of those 29% seasons qualified for the rate statistics records, but Rodman has the only qualifying 29% TRB% season.


Sixth Street beat me to it. I'm not in the least knocking Drummond or minimizing the impact he will likely have in the non-Embiid minutes and even in games on Embiid off-nights. He was one of the best off-season moves that Morey made, one that is very likely going to help win a few games we might have otherwise lost.

It's just the wrong guy to use as a measuring stick to in any way compare Drummond (or Capela) to Dennis Rodman, who literally changed games without scoring a point. His impact in being able to take the toughest defensive assignment night after night, offensive rebounding, filling the lane on the break, creating turnovers and changing the pace and rhythm of games is utterly unique in the history of the sport.

Rodman and the younger version of Charles Barkley are the two most extraordinary players I've seen in watching the NBA with regard to the way they impacted virtually every game they played regardless how many points they scored. Both were superior and undersized rebounders, but were so much more.

Numbers can't begin to measure what Rodman offered to a competing team, and is why a loaded group like the Bulls would risk the potential chemistry issues of bringing him in. Jordan totally got it even if Pippen might not have, which is what sealed the deal.
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Post#29 » by Eyeamok » Sat Aug 24, 2024 1:23 am

I hope to see a lot of Drummond and Bona in the 4th quarter as Embiid sits out and the 76ers cruise to another win.
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Post#30 » by ankle420breaker » Sat Aug 24, 2024 11:16 am

Eyeamok wrote:I hope to see a lot of Drummond and Bona in the 4th quarter as Embiid sits out and the 76ers cruise to another win.
Pretty charmed rookie situation for a raw, developing big like Bona. Gets to sponge off of and compete against two vets like Embiid and Drummond. He'll be a player in a year or two.

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Post#32 » by LloydFree » Fri Oct 4, 2024 10:14 pm

SixthStreet wrote:Rodman's rebounding was his 1A skill to his 1B of defensively being able to guard anyone well. Drummond can't really defend well anymore, if he ever could. No doubt Drummond can hoover up rebounds though.

Rodman could play in today's NBA because he could switch and snuff out any guard trying to ISO him.

When I was a really little kid, I remember sports writers and reporters trying to make comparisons of Thurmond Munson, the Yankees All-star Catcher, to Johnny Bench, before the World Series. They posed the question to Sparky Anderson, the Cincinnati Reds Manager. Anderson told the reporters "Please, don't embarrass that man (Munson) by trying to compare him to Johnny Bench"
I always remember that line whenever I hear an absurd comparison between athletes. "Please don't embarrass that man (Andre Drummond) by comparing him to" Dennis Rodman"
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Post#33 » by Monix » Sat Oct 5, 2024 12:09 am

the youths like to just look at a number on basketballreference and deliver a hot take

that's the only way one would compare Andre Drummond and The Worm
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Post#34 » by mjkvol » Sat Oct 5, 2024 1:24 am

LloydFree wrote:When I was a really little kid, I remember sports writers and reporters trying to make comparisons of Thurmond Munson, the Yankees All-star Catcher, to Johnny Bench, before the World Series. They posed the question to Sparky Lyle, the Cincinnati Reds Manager. Lyle told the reporters "Please, don't embarrass that man (Munson) by trying to compare him to Johnny Bench"
I always remember that line whenever I hear an absurd comparison between athletes. "Please don't embarrass that man (Andre Drummond) by comparing him to" Dennis Rodman"


You're thinking of Sparky Anderson. Sparky Lyle was a relief pitcher for the Red Sox and Yankees.
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Post#35 » by LloydFree » Sat Oct 5, 2024 1:38 am

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LloydFree wrote:When I was a really little kid, I remember sports writers and reporters trying to make comparisons of Thurmond Munson, the Yankees All-star Catcher, to Johnny Bench, before the World Series. They posed the question to Sparky Lyle, the Cincinnati Reds Manager. Lyle told the reporters "Please, don't embarrass that man (Munson) by trying to compare him to Johnny Bench"
I always remember that line whenever I hear an absurd comparison between athletes. "Please don't embarrass that man (Andre Drummond) by comparing him to" Dennis Rodman"


You're thinking of Sparky Anderson. Sparky Lyle was a relief pitcher for the Red Sox and Yankees.

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Post#36 » by FlyingArrow » Mon Oct 7, 2024 12:03 am

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SixthStreet wrote:Rodman's rebounding was his 1A skill to his 1B of defensively being able to guard anyone well. Drummond can't really defend well anymore, if he ever could. No doubt Drummond can hoover up rebounds though.

Rodman could play in today's NBA because he could switch and snuff out any guard trying to ISO him.

When I was a really little kid, I remember sports writers and reporters trying to make comparisons of Thurmond Munson, the Yankees All-star Catcher, to Johnny Bench, before the World Series. They posed the question to Sparky Anderson, the Cincinnati Reds Manager. Anderson told the reporters "Please, don't embarrass that man (Munson) by trying to compare him to Johnny Bench"
I always remember that line whenever I hear an absurd comparison between athletes. "Please don't embarrass that man (Andre Drummond) by comparing him to" Dennis Rodman"


You can compare one aspect of a game without comparing the whole package. Just like you can say Aroldis Chapman throws harder than John Smoltz did. It's just a fact - it doesn't make him the better player. Of course Rodman was a better player than Drummond. Drummond excels at one aspect of the game - more than anyone since the Wilt/Russell era. It doesn't even make him a starter in the league, but give the man his due.

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