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[Umbooki]

Randle and Gooby frontcourt in 2024 is GROSS

Its a money thing for Wolves. They want off the KAT salary long term. And Knicks don't care about luxury tax, so its a win win for both. Knicks though, now probably have the best starting 5 in the league. If Thibodeau doesnt run the players into the ground and they can stay healthy, they my fav for the chip

I’m aware! A lot of these moves can be traced back to McCollum and his questionable negotiating tactics.

[Flash4thewin]

Randle and Gooby frontcourt in 2024 is GROSS

I’m a firm believer in the put your money where your mouth is. Some teams go all in, some teams worry more about the tax.

[oreon]

Randle and Gooby frontcourt in 2024 is GROSS

I’m a firm believer in the put your money where your mouth is. Some teams go all in, some teams worry more about the tax.

Puts the Arisons to shame. I can't believe we were nickel and diming in the big 3 era when we had prime Lebron. And to make it worse we wasted 1st round picks to cut salary.

[GopherIt!]

alright, so I've had a few hours to reflect on the kat trade now and have summarized my thoughts below.

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[AirP.]

A wrinkle about the Towns trade, in Minnesota while they were a top 4 seed with Butler (before being out for 6 weeks with a meniscus tear/removal), Towns went to the owner to try to get Thibodeau fired but that's all in the past.

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Randle and Gooby frontcourt in 2024 is GROSS

Gobert and Naz Reid front court. I wouldn't be surprised if Randle is move again, he's got a player's option next season.

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Expect this to be utilized more in the future to get past one of the CBA rules that try to punish teams in the aprons.

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[Bishop45]

Even as a Randle fan, I don't get that move from Wolves from a basketball standpoint-- but I've judged their other trades harshly, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Knicks with Towns/OG/Brunson are nice.

[AirP.]

Even as a Randle fan, I don't get that move from Wolves from a basketball standpoint-- but I've judged their other trades harshly, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Knicks with Towns/OG/Brunson are nice.

They're a small market team and wanted to get off his long-term large salary, it should allow them more flexibility to better build around Edwards in the next few years. If they keep Randle, he can be another hub of the offense since he's a solid passer for a big who can score.

Looking at the near future, both Gobert and Naz Reid have player options so they could have been in a position to lose one if not both of them. Now with Randle (who also has a player option) they can try to retain all 3 and hope they get some type of discount if they give longer term contracts or they could end up moving none to all 3 in trades to get better fits and assets to put around Edwards, Bird rights could be huge for teams that won't have the cap space to sign them in FA.

Also, having DiVincenzo under contract for the next 3 years for under 12.6 mil a year allows Minnesota even more flexibility. It was reported that DiVincenzo was a huge sticking point of why this trade didn't get done weeks ago, they've been working on it for a while. Those great value contracts for good rotation players are going to really help keeping a smaller market team from having to dip too far into the tax.

OKC will soon be in the same situation where they have to decide who they keep and pay and who gets rotated out for cheaper contracts and assets, but with all their draft picks, they should be able to restock their rotation with good/great contracts to go with their 2-4 higher paid players they decide to keep.

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[oreon]

Even as a Randle fan, I don't get that move from Wolves from a basketball standpoint-- but I've judged their other trades harshly, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Knicks with Towns/OG/Brunson are nice.

They're a small market team and wanted to get off his long-term large salary, it should allow them more flexibility to better build around Edwards in the next few years. If they keep Randle, he can be another hub of the offense since he's a solid passer for a big who can score.

Looking at the near future, both Gobert and Naz Reid have player options so they could have been in a position to lose one if not both of them. Now with Randle (who also has a player option) they can try to retain all 3 and hope they get some type of discount if they give longer term contracts or they could end up moving none to all 3 in trades to get better fits and assets to put around Edwards, Bird rights could be huge for teams that won't have the cap space to sign them in FA.

Also, having DiVincenzo under contract for the next 3 years for under 12.6 mil a year allows Minnesota even more flexibility. It was reported that DiVincenzo was a huge sticking point of why this trade didn't get done weeks ago, they've been working on it for a while. Those great value contracts for good rotation players are going to really help keeping a smaller market team from having to dip too far into the tax.

OKC will soon be in the same situation where they have to decide who they keep and pay and who gets rotated out for cheaper contracts and assets, but with all their draft picks, they should be able to restock their rotation with good/great contracts to go with their 2-4 higher paid players they decide to keep.

OKC should go all in right now. They got 2 years before they gotta start paying Chet and Jalen. They have a window, where they can add another star and keep their young players. They should move Hartenstein and picks for an allstar and try to win the next 2 chips. I think there could be a couple of older all star players on fringe contenders who they can tempt by massively overpaying. Bucks, Laker, Clips, Heat I don't think have a real shot at a title. Could Presti come deadline day offer 5 picks for Butler or Dame or Lebron for 2 years. It would be an overpay but they got so many picks that it wouldnt matter. A Lebron or Butler that is willing to be 2nd banana to SGA would be favs the in my opinion with that core.
For Miami aside from this team overperforming this season this would be best case scenario. If you can move Butler for a butload of picks, then you don't have to do a full rebuild. You can wait and move those picks for then next available star that is still in his prime. The current situation isn't great. Paying Butler isn't a great option and waiting till his contract expires isn't great either.

[AirP.]

Even as a Randle fan, I don't get that move from Wolves from a basketball standpoint-- but I've judged their other trades harshly, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Knicks with Towns/OG/Brunson are nice.

Spoiler:

They're a small market team and wanted to get off his long-term large salary, it should allow them more flexibility to better build around Edwards in the next few years. If they keep Randle, he can be another hub of the offense since he's a solid passer for a big who can score.

Looking at the near future, both Gobert and Naz Reid have player options so they could have been in a position to lose one if not both of them. Now with Randle (who also has a player option) they can try to retain all 3 and hope they get some type of discount if they give longer term contracts or they could end up moving none to all 3 in trades to get better fits and assets to put around Edwards, Bird rights could be huge for teams that won't have the cap space to sign them in FA.

Also, having DiVincenzo under contract for the next 3 years for under 12.6 mil a year allows Minnesota even more flexibility. It was reported that DiVincenzo was a huge sticking point of why this trade didn't get done weeks ago, they've been working on it for a while. Those great value contracts for good rotation players are going to really help keeping a smaller market team from having to dip too far into the tax.

OKC will soon be in the same situation where they have to decide who they keep and pay and who gets rotated out for cheaper contracts and assets, but with all their draft picks, they should be able to restock their rotation with good/great contracts to go with their 2-4 higher paid players they decide to keep

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OKC should go all in right now. They got 2 years before they gotta start paying Chet and Jalen. They have a window, where they can add another star and keep their young players. They should move Hartenstein and picks for an allstar and try to win the next 2 chips. I think there could be a couple of older all star players on fringe contenders who they can tempt by massively overpaying. Bucks, Laker, Clips, Heat I don't think have a real shot at a title. Could Presti come deadline day offer 5 picks for Butler or Dame or Lebron for 2 years. It would be an overpay but they got so many picks that it wouldn't matter. A Lebron or Butler that is willing to be 2nd banana to SGA would be favs the in my opinion with that core.
For Miami aside from this team overperforming this season this would be best case scenario. If you can move Butler for a butload of picks, then you don't have to do a full rebuild. You can wait and move those picks for then next available star that is still in his prime. The current situation isn't great. Paying Butler isn't a great option and waiting till his contract expires isn't great either.

Or they could do what I've been thinking they're going to do, keep a core 3-4 players and use the draft picks to either keep drafting talent to fill the rotation with rookie contract guys or move some picks for good/great value players. They may be able to keep flipping players/picks for over a decade to keep their team salary reasonable, they have a ton of time.

OKC did go somewhat in this summer by overpaying Hartenstein on a 2+1 which his team option happens to be the first year of Holgram's 2nd contract. They're being smart about how they're spending money.

[oreon]

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They're a small market team and wanted to get off his long-term large salary, it should allow them more flexibility to better build around Edwards in the next few years. If they keep Randle, he can be another hub of the offense since he's a solid passer for a big who can score.

Looking at the near future, both Gobert and Naz Reid have player options so they could have been in a position to lose one if not both of them. Now with Randle (who also has a player option) they can try to retain all 3 and hope they get some type of discount if they give longer term contracts or they could end up moving none to all 3 in trades to get better fits and assets to put around Edwards, Bird rights could be huge for teams that won't have the cap space to sign them in FA.

Also, having DiVincenzo under contract for the next 3 years for under 12.6 mil a year allows Minnesota even more flexibility. It was reported that DiVincenzo was a huge sticking point of why this trade didn't get done weeks ago, they've been working on it for a while. Those great value contracts for good rotation players are going to really help keeping a smaller market team from having to dip too far into the tax.

OKC will soon be in the same situation where they have to decide who they keep and pay and who gets rotated out for cheaper contracts and assets, but with all their draft picks, they should be able to restock their rotation with good/great contracts to go with their 2-4 higher paid players they decide to keep

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OKC should go all in right now. They got 2 years before they gotta start paying Chet and Jalen. They have a window, where they can add another star and keep their young players. They should move Hartenstein and picks for an allstar and try to win the next 2 chips. I think there could be a couple of older all star players on fringe contenders who they can tempt by massively overpaying. Bucks, Laker, Clips, Heat I don't think have a real shot at a title. Could Presti come deadline day offer 5 picks for Butler or Dame or Lebron for 2 years. It would be an overpay but they got so many picks that it wouldn't matter. A Lebron or Butler that is willing to be 2nd banana to SGA would be favs the in my opinion with that core.
For Miami aside from this team overperforming this season this would be best case scenario. If you can move Butler for a butload of picks, then you don't have to do a full rebuild. You can wait and move those picks for then next available star that is still in his prime. The current situation isn't great. Paying Butler isn't a great option and waiting till his contract expires isn't great either.

Or they could do what I've been thinking they're going to do, keep a core 3-4 players and use the draft picks to either keep drafting talent to fill the rotation with rookie contract guys or move some picks for good/great value players. They may be able to keep flipping players/picks for over a decade to keep their team salary reasonable, they have a ton of time.

OKC did go somewhat in this summer by overpaying Hartenstein on a 2+1 which his team option happens to be the first year of Holgram's 2nd contract. They're being smart about how they're spending money.

I'm not suggesting taking a long term salary unless that player is an allstar. My suggestion was for an allstar level player that has 2 years left on their deal someone like Lebron, Butler, Dame. Hartenstein and Dort are a combined 46 million in salary. They can move those 2 and leave their other young pieces in place. They already got Caruso who can do everything Dortz does. On the pick side, they have 8 incoming 1st round picks for other teams. Move 4 or 5 and they still looking good picks wise. They are in a position where they don't have to choose. They can do a big move in the short term, and switch to swapping to cheaper younger role players once they have to pay for Chet and Jalen. I just see a year window of opportunity where you can add an allstar caliber player in addition to Chet, Jalen and SGA. And in the playoffs SGA is all nba but I think its too early to expect Chet or Jalen to be that 2nd all nba guy in the playoffs. Getting Butler or Bron to play that role and be a mentor is a great way to bridge for 2 years.
Either way they can win with their current roster but a big swing for the short term would make them the favs in the next 2 seasons. Its gonna take a lot to beat Boston especially if Tatum has a rebound year. He was poor and yet they still won pretty easily

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[DayofMourning]

alright, so I've had a few hours to reflect on the kat trade now and have summarized my thoughts below.

Spoiler:

Is KATs personality that off putting that theyd move him?

[AirP.]

OKC should go all in right now. They got 2 years before they gotta start paying Chet and Jalen. They have a window, where they can add another star and keep their young players. They should move Hartenstein and picks for an allstar and try to win the next 2 chips. I think there could be a couple of older all star players on fringe contenders who they can tempt by massively overpaying. Bucks, Laker, Clips, Heat I don't think have a real shot at a title. Could Presti come deadline day offer 5 picks for Butler or Dame or Lebron for 2 years. It would be an overpay but they got so many picks that it wouldn't matter. A Lebron or Butler that is willing to be 2nd banana to SGA would be favs the in my opinion with that core.
For Miami aside from this team overperforming this season this would be best case scenario. If you can move Butler for a butload of picks, then you don't have to do a full rebuild. You can wait and move those picks for then next available star that is still in his prime. The current situation isn't great. Paying Butler isn't a great option and waiting till his contract expires isn't great either.

Or they could do what I've been thinking they're going to do, keep a core 3-4 players and use the draft picks to either keep drafting talent to fill the rotation with rookie contract guys or move some picks for good/great value players. They may be able to keep flipping players/picks for over a decade to keep their team salary reasonable, they have a ton of time.

OKC did go somewhat this summer by overpaying Hartenstein on a 2+1 which his team option happens to be the first year of Holgram's 2nd contract. They're being smart about how they're spending money.

I'm not suggesting taking a long term salary unless that player is an allstar. My suggestion was for an allstar level player that has 2 years left on their deal someone like Lebron, Butler, Dame. Hartenstein and Dort are a combined 46 million in salary. They can move those 2 and leave their other young pieces in place. They already got Caruso who can do everything Dortz does. On the pick side, they have 8 incoming 1st round picks for other teams. Move 4 or 5 and they still looking good picks wise. They are in a position where they don't have to choose. They can do a big move in the short term, and switch to swapping to cheaper younger role players once they have to pay for Chet and Jalen. I just see a year window of opportunity where you can add an allstar caliber player in addition to Chet, Jalen and SGA. And in the playoffs SGA is all nba but I think its too early to expect Chet or Jalen to be that 2nd all nba guy in the playoffs. Getting Butler or Bron to play that role and be a mentor is a great way to bridge for 2 years.
Either way they can win with their current roster but a big swing for the short term would make them the favs in the next 2 seasons. Its gonna take a lot to beat Boston especially if Tatum has a rebound year. He was poor and yet they still won pretty easily

SGA is 26 this season, Chet and Jalen have 2 more years on their rookie contracts, they have time to find out if they'll develop to be good enough to be #2s or #3s and still have assets to make large moves. If SGA was 29-31, absolutely go all in, but they have time while they're currently considered one of the top teams in the West and they're expected to keep getting better every year for the next half decade. Maybe they'll be like Boston and finally decide we're not getting over the hump so let's make some moves and they'll have the assets to do it, but it's quite possible it doesn't come down to that, getting that MVP level player is the hardest part of a build and sometimes you just have to get lucky and OKC did. But I will go along with you in the future, if they don't break through in the next couple years, push some chips in and go all in.

I do know OKC had been targeting Holgram for years, he's who they wanted to build around and I think he's a core member they've decided to build around hence getting Hartenstein to handle the stronger assignments and give him someone to push Holgram in practices to help develop him. Jalen Williams just was one of those guys who in his 2nd half of his rookie season showed they hit on him and he basically forced OKC to play him (you never know when a guy will make a leap to the next level). OKC with how much they've hit in the draft they can just keep pushing their picks down stream (trading current picks for later picks) and quite possibly being better picks (since OKC will have input on what year's #1 picks they get in the deal) which they did this year with Minnesota.

OKC has created a very unique situation that is very surprising that nobody else did this, even the process didn't really optimize draft pick acquisition like this while they were bad and also planned to be bad, they should have been clearing out salary and be happy to take on overpaid players for picks. Since Butler landed in Miami, OKC got 2s and a 1st round swap for CP3 from Houston(later sent to Phoenix for a 1st), a protectd 1st and 2nd round pick from Philly, and a 1st and 2nd from Boston to trade Horford for Walker, that's 6 1sts for basically taking on salary(and sending 2 of them elsewhere later).

OKC just this year got an injured Topic at #12, I heard some talk of him as a top 5, possibly a #1 pick before he got hurt so it's quite possible in 2-5 years, they may have added someone better than one of the top 2 picks, but they have that luxury now and for the foreseeable future. They should be able to keep adding even more draft assets in the future if they play their cards right since they don't actually need some of their top picks, they need to spread them out to keep high level rookie contract players in their rotation.

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It could be worse for Miami, being bad and getting a #2 pick in a bad at the top draft while having Jordan Poole being your top paid player now and possibly for the next 2 years.

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I'm really interested in Zach Edey, I thought he was a possible game changer in this draft and he went 9th in a bad draft (probably would have been cheap to move up, Minnesota did). Well worth the risk of moving up in my opinion. You can't teach size. He's going to get the minutes to have a shot at ROY.

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[GopherIt!]

alright, so I've had a few hours to reflect on the kat trade now and have summarized my thoughts below.

Spoiler:

Is KATs personality that off putting that theyd move him?

his behavior is not popular w the ref's that's for sure.

[MartyConlonJr]

PJ Tucker seems like he has been a problem since signed away from Heat by Philly, Crowder too. Gabe Vincent and Kendrick Nunn barely played. Max Strus was possibly worth it for Cavs. I think Caleb will probably go ok for Philly. Tyler Johnson, James Johnson, Jason Kapono all disappeared.

I do wonder if people will ever stop offering Heat roleplayers bigger contracts, though I doubt it, there is always one...