FUTURE DRAFT GAMES - NEW THREAD 2/21/22

[durantbird]

I thought what could be interesting with Dikembe is:

1 guy with at least 5 All Defense
1 guy who was born in a country producing maximum one All Star / All NBA

That eliminates Germany, Serbia, France, Spain, Nigeria, Canada

Deke's biggest accomplishment IMO is winning 4 DPOYs. That really should be a factor in some way IMO.

Also Croatia, Cameroon and Slovenia actually. All Defense or DPOY should definitely be there. My international suggestion would include players like Nash, Giannis, Duncan, Manu, Horford, Kirilenko, Arvydas, Yao but the drop would be quick to more 5-8 rotation guys.

[Laimbeer]

I thought what could be interesting with Dikembe is:

1 guy with at least 5 All Defense
1 guy who was born in a country producing maximum one All Star / All NBA

That eliminates Germany, Serbia, France, Spain, Nigeria, Canada

Deke's biggest accomplishment IMO is winning 4 DPOYs. That really should be a factor in some way IMO.

Also Croatia, Cameroon and Slovenia actually. All Defense or DPOY should definitely be there. My international suggestion would include players like Nash, Giannis, Duncan, Manu, Horford, Kirilenko, Arvydas, Yao but the drop would be quick to more 5-8 rotation guys.

I like this, but should definitely be DPOY not all-D. All-D adds way too many.

[Snakebites]

I thought what could be interesting with Dikembe is:

1 guy with at least 5 All Defense
1 guy who was born in a country producing maximum one All Star / All NBA

That eliminates Germany, Serbia, France, Spain, Nigeria, Canada

Deke's biggest accomplishment IMO is winning 4 DPOYs. That really should be a factor in some way IMO.

Also Croatia, Cameroon and Slovenia actually. All Defense or DPOY should definitely be there. My international suggestion would include players like Nash, Giannis, Duncan, Manu, Horford, Kirilenko, Arvydas, Yao but the drop would be quick to more 5-8 rotation guys.

I think this is solid and doesn't require any special "no multiple MVP" thing.

So 6 team categories (Denver, Atlanta, Philly, New Jersey, New York, Houston) and a DPOY winner category and an international category.

I think it's ready to come out of the oven! You wanna start it? If not I could, though I may wait until the book is fully closed on the MVP Decades draft.

[Fadeaway_J]

That eliminates Germany, Serbia, France, Spain, Nigeria, Canada

Deke's biggest accomplishment IMO is winning 4 DPOYs. That really should be a factor in some way IMO.

Also Croatia, Cameroon and Slovenia actually. All Defense or DPOY should definitely be there. My international suggestion would include players like Nash, Giannis, Duncan, Manu, Horford, Kirilenko, Arvydas, Yao but the drop would be quick to more 5-8 rotation guys.

I think this is solid and doesn't require any special "no multiple MVP" thing.

So 6 team categories (Denver, Atlanta, Philly, New Jersey, New York, Houston) and a DPOY winner category and an international category.

I think it's ready to come out of the oven! You wanna start it? If not I could, though I may wait until the book is fully closed on the MVP Decades draft.

Just to be clear, how many countries are we looking at that produced a single All-Star?

[Snakebites]

Also Croatia, Cameroon and Slovenia actually. All Defense or DPOY should definitely be there. My international suggestion would include players like Nash, Giannis, Duncan, Manu, Horford, Kirilenko, Arvydas, Yao but the drop would be quick to more 5-8 rotation guys.

I think this is solid and doesn't require any special "no multiple MVP" thing.

So 6 team categories (Denver, Atlanta, Philly, New Jersey, New York, Houston) and a DPOY winner category and an international category.

I think it's ready to come out of the oven! You wanna start it? If not I could, though I may wait until the book is fully closed on the MVP Decades draft.

Just to be clear, how many countries are we looking at that produced a single All-Star?

Hmm. Looks like DB's list wasn't accurate. He suggests Horford and Sabonis could be selected in this category but I believe both the Dominican and Lithuania have 2 All-Stars (Horford/KAT and Domanatas/Ilgauskas, respectively)

Duncan is debatable here as to whether or not the US Virgin Islands counts. We also need to specify place of birth vs nationality, as Steve Nash is only eligible by the former and not the latter (no South African citizenship). Assuming Nash and no Duncan (the way I think it should work) this is what I THINK there is. Note that any countries that have never produced an all star are also eligible.

South Africa- Nash
Russia- AK
Latvia- Porzingis
Argentina- Manu
Greece- Giannis
Finland- Lauri
China- Yao
UK- Deng
Turkey- Okur

Too shallow? I do think it's slightly problematic that both international categories and DPOY categories skew things towards bigmen, now that I really step back and look at it. I like the international category conceptually but it might not be best for the pool.

[Fadeaway_J]

I think this is solid and doesn't require any special "no multiple MVP" thing.

So 6 team categories (Denver, Atlanta, Philly, New Jersey, New York, Houston) and a DPOY winner category and an international category.

I think it's ready to come out of the oven! You wanna start it? If not I could, though I may wait until the book is fully closed on the MVP Decades draft.

Just to be clear, how many countries are we looking at that produced a single All-Star?

Hmm. Looks like DB's list wasn't accurate. He suggests Horford and Sabonis could be selected in this category but I believe both the Dominican and Lithuania have 2 All-Stars (Horford/KAT and Domanatas/Ilgauskas, respectively)

Duncan is debatable here as to whether or not the US Virgin Islands counts. We also need to specify place of birth vs nationality, as Steve Nash is only eligible by the former and not the latter (no South African citizenship). Assuming Nash and no Duncan (the way I think it should work) this is what I THINK there is. Note that any countries that have never produced an all star are also eligible.

South Africa- Nash
Russia- AK
Latvia- Porzingis
Argentina- Manu
Greece- Giannis
Finland- Lauri
China- Yao
UK- Deng
Turkey- Okur

Too shallow? I do think it's slightly problematic that both international categories and DPOY categories skew things towards bigmen, now that I really step back and look at it. I like the international category conceptually but it might not be best for the pool.

KAT was born in the US, but even so it seems too narrow, especially since Giannis, Horford, and Yao are also eligible for other categories.

What about the finalist with two teams category I suggested earlier?

[Snakebites]

Just to be clear, how many countries are we looking at that produced a single All-Star?

Hmm. Looks like DB's list wasn't accurate. He suggests Horford and Sabonis could be selected in this category but I believe both the Dominican and Lithuania have 2 All-Stars (Horford/KAT and Domanatas/Ilgauskas, respectively)

Duncan is debatable here as to whether or not the US Virgin Islands counts. We also need to specify place of birth vs nationality, as Steve Nash is only eligible by the former and not the latter (no South African citizenship). Assuming Nash and no Duncan (the way I think it should work) this is what I THINK there is. Note that any countries that have never produced an all star are also eligible.

South Africa- Nash
Russia- AK
Latvia- Porzingis
Argentina- Manu
Greece- Giannis
Finland- Lauri
China- Yao
UK- Deng
Turkey- Okur

Too shallow? I do think it's slightly problematic that both international categories and DPOY categories skew things towards bigmen, now that I really step back and look at it. I like the international category conceptually but it might not be best for the pool.

KAT was born in the US, but even so it seems too narrow, especially since Giannis, Horford, and Yao are also eligible for other categories.

What about the finalist with two teams category I suggested earlier?

Hmm. I initially thought that made the pool too deep since it added Lebron, KD, and Shaq. But at the end of the day people are still going to be pulling 3/4 of their roster from largely undesirable franchises, so in that light it feels more doable.

[durantbird]

Just an addition about the comment about Horford and Sabonis. I was talking about birthplaces alone. So KAT and Domantas are US born. There are notable non All Stars in the pool as well, like Ibaka, Anunoby, Ben Gordon who might actually be drafted, Bojan, Bell, etc. Smits is another All Star albeit a non factor presumably.

[ardee]

On an unrelated note, have we ever done a Draft Winner's tournament? Basically just a knockout tournament of the winners of the last 8 drafts (or if there are repeat winners, go far enough back until you have 8 separate).

Just seems like a fun thought.

[Snakebites]

Just an addition about the comment about Horford and Sabonis. I was talking about birthplaces alone. So KAT and Domantas are US born. There are notable non All Stars in the pool as well, like Ibaka, Anunoby, Ben Gordon who might actually be drafted, Bojan, Bell, etc. Smits is another All Star albeit a non factor presumably.

Fade generally favors shallower drafts.

If he’s saying it’s too shallow I’m inclined to agree. Thats just me.

[wackbone]

I'll likely be able to play in the upcoming Dikembe draft, please quote me after signups start

[Fadeaway_J]

Just an addition about the comment about Horford and Sabonis. I was talking about birthplaces alone. So KAT and Domantas are US born. There are notable non All Stars in the pool as well, like Ibaka, Anunoby, Ben Gordon who might actually be drafted, Bojan, Bell, etc. Smits is another All Star albeit a non factor presumably.

Fade generally favors shallower drafts.

If he’s saying it’s too shallow I’m inclined to agree. Thats just me.

Part of it is also that I feel it's a bit convoluted as a category.

I think this one would have a stronger first two rounds, but the overall pool would remain challenging given that list of franchises.

[durantbird]

We can redo the choose an era draft but with two differences:

Everyone chooses two franchise decade pairs

Each choice cannot be one where the franchise won a championship the given decade

[Larry_Russell]

not seeing black and blue draft.

Only choser players from teams that Black or Blue is NOT a prominate color in their logo as dictsated by:
https://usteamcolors.com/nba-colors/

This means you can only chose player seasons for
Atlanta
Boston
Cleveland
Charlotte
Chicago
LAC
LAL
Milwaukee
Phoenix
Portland
Sacramento

[Snakebites]

We can redo the choose an era draft but with two differences:

Everyone chooses two franchise decade pairs

Each choice cannot be one where the franchise won a championship the given decade

I like this.

[ardee]

How about post 2000 but never 2010s draft? Basically the pool is 2000-2009 and 2020-2024?

[Laimbeer]

Awards draft - You must select MVP, DPOY, Rookie of the Year, Comeback Player of the Year, and Sixth Man of the Year

Leaders Draft - You must select players who led the league in scoring, rebounding, assists, steals, and turnovers.

[durantbird]

Danny Green draft?

Should we keep up with the six teams players draft with his retirement?

[Fadeaway_J]

Danny Green draft?

Should we keep up with the six teams players draft with his retirement?

We might be stretching it a bit with this one

[Snakebites]

Danny Green draft?

Should we keep up with the six teams players draft with his retirement?

We might be stretching it a bit with this one

Yeah. I like this premise but I think it should be reserved for iconic players of great significance.

Rose had a short but extremely consequential peak and Mutombo is an icon.

I defintely really like the scavenger hunt approach.