Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V2.0

[JB7]

Reed is going to win ROY

Why can't we draft these types?

There is a team option on Fred, so he may try to supress Reed.

Also, trading for a Nets lottery pick does wonders.

Rockets were never picking up that option. Drafting Reed just made that decision much easier.

Fred will be a UFA again, but just in a much tighter market. He might just get the MLE from a team. Unless Utah or Nets are willing to pay him more than the MLE.

[WuTang_CMB]

this kid is elite #1 player from this draft

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[ATLTimekeeper]

Why can't we draft these types?

There is a team option on Fred, so he may try to supress Reed.

Also, trading for a Nets lottery pick does wonders.

Rockets were never picking up that option. Drafting Reed just made that decision much easier.

Fred will be a UFA again, but just in a much tighter market. He might just get the MLE from a team. Unless Utah or Nets are willing to pay him more than the MLE.

They might pick up Fred's option just to use that contract to bring in a legit star. They can't pay Sengun, Green, Thompson AND Smith Jr.

The CBA is going to devalue a lot of really high end talent.

[JB7]

There is a team option on Fred, so he may try to supress Reed.

Also, trading for a Nets lottery pick does wonders.

Rockets were never picking up that option. Drafting Reed just made that decision much easier.

Fred will be a UFA again, but just in a much tighter market. He might just get the MLE from a team. Unless Utah or Nets are willing to pay him more than the MLE.

They might pick up Fred's option just to use that contract to bring in a legit star. They can't pay Sengun, Green, Thompson AND Smith Jr.

The CBA is going to devalue a lot of really high end talent.

If they are going to use Fred's contract to acquire a star, they will do that this season, before they have to pick up the option. The whole point of not picking up the option is to get rid of the salary, since they need to start paying their younger guys. If they pick up his option and then trade his contract for a similar contract, they are still getting hit large in salary, as they also would need to be reupping the young guys.

What Fred's contract helps them with this year, is he can be tied to a young guy (still on a rookie deal) to acquire that star player.

[DreamTeam09]

Rockets were never picking up that option. Drafting Reed just made that decision much easier.

Fred will be a UFA again, but just in a much tighter market. He might just get the MLE from a team. Unless Utah or Nets are willing to pay him more than the MLE.

They might pick up Fred's option just to use that contract to bring in a legit star. They can't pay Sengun, Green, Thompson AND Smith Jr.

The CBA is going to devalue a lot of really high end talent.

If they are going to use Fred's contract to acquire a star, they will do that this season, before they have to pick up the option. The whole point of not picking up the option is to get rid of the salary, since they need to start paying their younger guys. If they pick up his option and then trade his contract for a similar contract, they are still getting hit large in salary, as they also would need to be reupping the young guys.

What Fred's contract helps them with this year, is he can be tied to a young guy (still on a rookie deal) to acquire that star player.

Side bet, FVV is the Rockets starter for the 2025/26 opening night?

[JB7]

They might pick up Fred's option just to use that contract to bring in a legit star. They can't pay Sengun, Green, Thompson AND Smith Jr.

The CBA is going to devalue a lot of really high end talent.

If they are going to use Fred's contract to acquire a star, they will do that this season, before they have to pick up the option. The whole point of not picking up the option is to get rid of the salary, since they need to start paying their younger guys. If they pick up his option and then trade his contract for a similar contract, they are still getting hit large in salary, as they also would need to be reupping the young guys.

What Fred's contract helps them with this year, is he can be tied to a young guy (still on a rookie deal) to acquire that star player.

Side bet, FVV is the Rockets starter for the 2025/26 opening night?

If Ime Udoka has his way, Fred is probably still on the Rockets in 2025/26. But I think the owner, Tilman Fertitta, has his hands in a lot of the player movement, and probably doesn't want to spend the money on FVV.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Edeymania starts tonight

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[DreamTeam09]

Who's NOLA 5th starter, Trey, Herb Jones, or a big. Either way I'd like a Herb Jones or even a Trey Murphy

[DreamTeam09]

Who's NOLA 5th starter, Trey, Herb Jones, or a big. Either way I'd like a Herb Jones or even a Trey Murphy, the latter being highly unlikely.
I would make a 2025 offseason play at Ingram in a SnT for Jakob, if NOLA doesn't make any trades this year.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

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shameful that they passed on him because some guy was scottie's childhood friend but completely up masai's alley to do something like that

he was in the conversation supposedly and they just made the complete wrong move, opting for the likely rotation piece over potential star or high level starter

[PhilBlackson]

I still wish we drafted Whitmore.

That’s no hate on Gradey, I just think we could’ve developed Cam into a star level player, just so explosive athletically.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

aspiring swimmer and video game streamer turned basketball player matas buzelis playing now

[elmer_yuck]

After Boston won last year, I assumed other teams would copy their strategy of volume 3 pt shooting.
Checking the box scores so far in preseason, it looks like that’s happening.
Most teams are shooting 40 or more 3’s per game. Boston took 61 3’s in their 1st game.
It’s going to be a really boring, unwatchable season. They have to make some rule changes.

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If Ryan Dunn is hitting 3 threes a night and this type of shot good lord he will be the steal of the draft. Going into the draft he was probably the best defender and athlete. If he irons out the shot we could be looking at an all-star.

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If Ryan Dunn is hitting 3 threes a night and this type of shot good lord he will be the steal of the draft. Going into the draft he was probably the best defender and athlete. If he irons out the shot we could be looking at an all-star.

i don't think his offense will ever allow him to be an all-star but we could be talking about an elite glue guy all defense member similar to what anunoby brings to a team except dunn is a better athlete and more versatile. i would expect rebounding to come down by virtue of him not playing the 5 spot in the NBA and maybe even blk% a bit too but he's a guy who if he sustains adequate 3 pt shooting is going to harass opposing players on defense while keeping them honest and enabling his teammates as an outlet on offense both as a shooter and cutter. he's also great in transition and very polished as a rim finisher. to be honest he looked surprisingly good shooting the limited number of fadeaway j's from the midrange that he did in college but i can't see it becoming something along with his handle that enables him to become a high USG guy.

i really like the kid and have always argued if OG was able to improve the shot Dunn can, aside from whatever the data was saying he has always had elements of good shot mechanics but was missing the vital component of proper energy transfer from his base to his release - i have a feeling virginia being a team that seems to neglect offense very often, that being there really wasn't a good environment for him to make improvements to his shot.

phoenix was a great landing spot for him to learn from elite shooters and the organization is clearly allowing him to shoot at will from deep. they probably know what they have on their hands on the condition that the shot becomes reliable.

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shameful that they passed on him because some guy was scottie's childhood friend but completely up masai's alley to do something like that

he was in the conversation supposedly and they just made the complete wrong move, opting for the likely rotation piece over potential star or high level starter

It's weird to call anything 'shameful' when either player hasn't even played a regular season game yet.

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shameful that they passed on him because some guy was scottie's childhood friend but completely up masai's alley to do something like that

he was in the conversation supposedly and they just made the complete wrong move, opting for the likely rotation piece over potential star or high level starter

It's weird to call anything 'shameful' when either player hasn't even played a regular season game yet.

No no, their archetypes are clearly known by now. Mogbo isnt becoming draymond green, why cant you just accept bold statements that arent made blindly.

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shameful that they passed on him because some guy was scottie's childhood friend but completely up masai's alley to do something like that

he was in the conversation supposedly and they just made the complete wrong move, opting for the likely rotation piece over potential star or high level starter

It's weird to call anything 'shameful' when either player hasn't even played a regular season game yet.

No no, their archetypes are clearly known by now. Mogbo isnt becoming draymond green, why cant you just accept bold statements that arent made blindly.

just because you say it boldly doesn't make it anymore true lol lol.
2. He's Mormon, he was going to Utah regardless.
3. He's never going to be impactful enough to the point you should be losing sleep on his archetype.
4.) 9.5.1.1 vs 2.5.5.1.1 after 1gm shouldn't have you jumping off the deep end.

I actually kinda like him too as a player btw

[RoteSchroder]

It's weird to call anything 'shameful' when either player hasn't even played a regular season game yet.

No no, their archetypes are clearly known by now. Mogbo isnt becoming draymond green, why cant you just accept bold statements that arent made blindly.

just because you say it boldly doesn't make it anymore true lol lol.
2. He's Mormon, he was going to Utah regardless.
3. He's never going to be impactful enough to the point you should be losing sleep on his archetype.
4.) 9.5.1.1 vs 2.5.5.1.1 after 1gm shouldn't have you jumping off the deep end.

I actually kinda like him too as a player btw

Asset accumulation is pretty important and missed opportunities add up. But yeah, jury's still out on who becomes the more valuable player. I would hope for a Thaddeus Young level of player with Mogbo. Maybe worse overall, but hopefully he can develop more reliable shooting. I think Mogbo's athleticism, defense, aggressiveness and motor is a notch below of what's desired for his archetype.

My ideal draft was Castle + Edey, but since we didn't get a top 6 pick, I would have went with the groomed Mormon at #19 and Mogbo at #31. To add to that, I wouldn't have traded #29 and drafted Furphy or Collier. Also wouldn't have bothered with Chomche.

Kyle / Furphy (Collier) / Mogbo / Shead
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Ja'Kobe / Mogbo / Ochai / Shead / Chomche

[And1Skip]

It's weird to call anything 'shameful' when either player hasn't even played a regular season game yet.

No no, their archetypes are clearly known by now. Mogbo isnt becoming draymond green, why cant you just accept bold statements that arent made blindly.

just because you say it boldly doesn't make it anymore true lol lol.
2. He's Mormon, he was going to Utah regardless.
3. He's never going to be impactful enough to the point you should be losing sleep on his archetype.
4.) 9.5.1.1 vs 2.5.5.1.1 after 1gm shouldn't have you jumping off the deep end.

I actually kinda like him too as a player btw

Not that I wanted Filipowski but regarding that point above - technically we acquired Brendan Carlson who is more "Mormon" than he is being born into it and having gone on a 2 year mission already, but yes for a projected first rounder, I agree the signs were obvious.