Magic Sign G Jalen Suggs to a 5 year, 150.5M Contract Extension

[zaymon]

I see no scenario where we pay 30M for Suggs. His role is not that valueable unless he swims as a lead ball handler.
KCP works both ways, either as a fit next to PG Suggs, or as his replacement.

KCP is on the decline. In no way is he a Suggs replacement. I would buy Black has his replacement given Suggs fit size wise is at PG.

Can you have to many elite 3 and D players around Paolo and Franz?

We agree and disagree at the same time. Its obvious i meant KCP as short term solution both next to or instead of Suggs.
I agree that Black could be long term replacement. Looking at the direction NBA offenses are going it could be also Jett Howard.
If we overpay Suggs, we wont have money to extend any of them after the season.
I also think Suggs is too bad on offense to work next to Franz and Paolo. Teams have Bradley Beal, Middleton, Paul George. Even defensive team had someone like Conley as third option. Suggs is 3&D wing with questionable 3, bad handle and limited ability to pass on the move. \
I think you can have too many 3&D players next to Paolo and Franz especially if you pay them 30M+.
Suggs is also much worse than Wagner. Even defense is closer than you would think. Jalen with his lack of discipline made too many mistakes late in the game. Franz is also schemed against on defense, while Suggs stood in the corner.

[VFX]

I see no scenario where we pay 30M for Suggs. His role is not that valueable unless he swims as a lead ball handler.
KCP works both ways, either as a fit next to PG Suggs, or as his replacement.

KCP is on the decline. In no way is he a Suggs replacement. I would buy Black has his replacement given Suggs fit size wise is at PG.

Can you have to many elite 3 and D players around Paolo and Franz?

We agree and disagree at the same time. Its obvious i meant KCP as short term solution both next to or instead of Suggs.
I agree that Black could be long term replacement. Looking at the direction NBA offenses are going it could be also Jett Howard.
If we overpay Suggs, we wont have money to extend any of them after the season.
I also think Suggs is too bad on offense to work next to Franz and Paolo. Teams have Bradley Beal, Middleton, Paul George. Even defensive team had someone like Conley as third option. Suggs is 3&D wing with questionable 3, bad handle and limited ability to pass on the move. \
I think you can have too many 3&D players next to Paolo and Franz especially if you pay them 30M+.
Suggs is also much worse than Wagner. Even defense is closer than you would think. Jalen with his lack of discipline made too many mistakes late in the game. Franz is also schemed against on defense, while Suggs stood in the corner.

This is obviously such a bait agenda post.

If Orlando is paying TWO guys max money, then you would expect the offense to run through them entirely and efficiently. Thats the bar being set. Sorry, I’m not looking past those two guys and making excuses for everyone else on the roster when Orlando’s offense still looks like ****.

Don’t want to put the onus on them? Well then welcome to the conversation for the last 2-3 seasons about the system. Welcome aboard. Thank the front office. You can’t have it both ways stanning for Franz and Paolo and blaming everyone else currently on the roster that the offense is ranked #22.

You don’t nitpick a team like Dallas and question whether or not PJ Washington or Tim Hardaway Jr are pulling their weight if Luka and Kyrie are dropping the ball on offense.

Are they skewering Jrue Holiday in Boston if Tatum and Brown stop shooting entirely from 3 or can’t put up their numbers in high stakes playoff games? Thats how ridiculous this argument has become.

Suggs is an all-defense caliber player. Jrue Holiday is a more accurate comparison for Suggs in 2-3 seasons as a third option. You want to be mad about paying dudes with pedestrian stats while making $25-30m look no further than Orlando paying Jonathan Issac, to back up Paolo, for 15mpg every other game. That's a great investment for a glorified bench guy on limited minutes AND I like him.

[SOUL]

Lmao, our fans finally get a good team with guys 3-4 years away from their prime and we start wondering about ceilings, trying to penny-pinch our young players on "prove it" restricted contracts and have threads trashing Franz and calling Suggs delusional??

Knightro has already laid out that all of these guys can get paid and extended pretty much without apron concerns. May start to get tricky once we have Black/Jett/TDS stuff but that's a bit down the line, and also would be tricky even under the old CBA. Obviously, I want them to exercise some caution in the numbers they throw out, but regardless of the numbers, all of these guys can be tradable too since they're young and talented. We've seen a lot of teams be able to move on from slight or even HUGE overpays if that's what they turn out to be. The real terrible contracts are for bit players like Mozgov, Biyombo, or older guys with NTCs like Beal, or injury-related stuff with LaVine, etc.

Almost feels like some of us want to be teams like the Clippers or Nets who throw away young guys and try to buy a title which usually never works. Look at the Nets and Clippers. Last team that worked for was the Heat and that was literally because it was LeBron James and Bosh lol. Homegrown talent has been the way the last 10~ years and then you sprinkle in the extra ingredients as they grow. Even Kawhi was surrounded by a lot of homegrown Raps.

[eyriq]

Lmao, our fans finally get a good team with guys 3-4 years away from their prime and we start wondering about ceilings, trying to penny-pinch our young players on "prove it" restricted contracts and have threads trashing Franz and calling Suggs delusional??

Knightro has already laid out that all of these guys can get paid and extended pretty much without apron concerns. May start to get tricky once we have Black/Jett/TDS stuff but that's a bit down the line, and also would be tricky even under the old CBA. Obviously, I want them to exercise some caution in the numbers they throw out, but regardless of the numbers, all of these guys can be tradable too since they're young and talented. We've seen a lot of teams be able to move on from slight or even HUGE overpays if that's what they turn out to be. The real terrible contracts are for bit players like Mozgov, Biyombo, or older guys with NTCs like Beal, or injury-related stuff with LaVine, etc.

Almost feels like some of us want to be teams like the Clippers or Nets who throw away young guys and try to buy a title which usually never works. Look at the Nets and Clippers. Last team that worked for was the Heat and that was literally because it was LeBron James and Bosh lol. Homegrown talent has been the way the last 10~ years and then you sprinkle in the extra ingredients as they grow. Even Kawhi was surrounded by a lot of homegrown Raps.

Preach. I think the trap is over indexing on short run trends and losing sight of long run trends.

[basketballRob]

I think tomorrow is the last day he can sign an extension.

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[SOUL]

All that being said, I don't mind going into restricted with Suggs if they think that's the best course of action. If he's betting on himself and plays great, we will match. If he regresses, maybe they get to the same spot.

[Jiwol]

I think tomorrow is the last day he can sign an extension.

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[Skybox]

All that being said, I don't mind going into restricted with Suggs if they think that's the best course of action. If he's betting on himself and plays great, we will match. If he regresses, maybe they get to the same spot.

Agreed...much different than your previous post.

Paying guys for what you hope they become hurts quickly and it's not that easy to dig out. If I'm FO, I'd bet on Suggs taking another leap AND not having his 40% from 3 drop back towards his career average...but I don't HAVE to bet, so why would I?

Overpaying might make sense if ORL chooses to match to not lose him to an overeager rival, no reason to overpay a year before he even puts his evidence on the table.

[RichCollab]

It shows a level of commitment and confidence to extend the player before they hit restricted free agency.

Suggs arguably gives his soul to Orlando every game.

He also is an emotional dude. There are potential negatives not affirming what Suggs means to the organization.

It does sound like they aren’t close and it also makes sense to protect our cap space? Does it really protect cap space or save money for the owners on the luxury tax?

Aren’t you given a lot more ability to sign your own draft picks?

[fendilim]

Suggs deserves this money tbh.

[RichCollab]

5 years for 140 million.

What fans say no?

[basketballRob]

5 years for 140 million.

What fans say no?

He can't sign a 5-yr deal. I think we can only have 2, Franz and Paolo.

It'll be malpractice if his agents turn down a 4-yr $100m deal and then Suggs gets injured.

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[RichCollab]

5 years for 140 million.

What fans say no?

He can't sign a 5-yr deal. I think we can only have 2, Franz and Paolo.

It'll be malpractice if his agents turn down a 4-yr $100m deal and then Suggs gets injured.

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Starting this year there is no longer the 2 5 year rookie extension limit.

[thelead]

I find it odd that Weltman immediately gave Franz a max but is balking on a 5/150 deal for Suggs (if the rumors are true). Both are overpays but Suggs at 5/150 is a slightly less overpay than Franz at 5/224 (with incentives that could make it 5/270).

[VFX]

I find it odd that Weltman immediately gave Franz a max but is balking on a 5/150 deal for Suggs (if the rumors are true). Both are overpays but Suggs at 5/150 is a slightly less overpay than Franz at 5/224 (with incentives that could make it 5/270).

I mean.. they just gave a guy 5/70 who plays literally half the amount of minutes every other game.

[pepe1991]

Lmao, our fans finally get a good team with guys 3-4 years away from their prime and we start wondering about ceilings, trying to penny-pinch our young players on "prove it" restricted contracts and have threads trashing Franz and calling Suggs delusional??

Knightro has already laid out that all of these guys can get paid and extended pretty much without apron concerns. May start to get tricky once we have Black/Jett/TDS stuff but that's a bit down the line, and also would be tricky even under the old CBA. Obviously, I want them to exercise some caution in the numbers they throw out, but regardless of the numbers, all of these guys can be tradable too since they're young and talented. We've seen a lot of teams be able to move on from slight or even HUGE overpays if that's what they turn out to be. The real terrible contracts are for bit players like Mozgov, Biyombo, or older guys with NTCs like Beal, or injury-related stuff with LaVine, etc.

Almost feels like some of us want to be teams like the Clippers or Nets who throw away young guys and try to buy a title which usually never works. Look at the Nets and Clippers. Last team that worked for was the Heat and that was literally because it was LeBron James and Bosh lol. Homegrown talent has been the way the last 10~ years and then you sprinkle in the extra ingredients as they grow. Even Kawhi was surrounded by a lot of homegrown Raps.

I did excel table of salary, looked at salary projections and played around projections of future salaries of role players, draft picks and probably wasted 2hours of my life.
After all that, i have no clue how Knighto can with straight face claim that current projections don't put Magic over luxury as soon as next year, over first apron in 2026-27.

Any sort of Suggs $30M type resign + Banchero's max that would start at $42,53M rate ( could go as high as $51M if he fits Derrick Rose rule) would lead to situation like this:

Banchero $42,53
Franz $41,75
Suggs some $34M
KCP $21,6M
Carter $18,1
Isaac $14,50
Black $10,1
Goga $7,6
Howar $7,33
daSilva $3,99

random pick 2025 $3,2
random pick 2026 $3,6M

That is over a luxury cap team ( $206M luxury, $208M invested ) and is missing 3 players to even make 15 men roster + 2 two way contracts.
Any type of resign (Mortiz, usage of MLE, Cole Anthony and his team option of $13M , Gary Harris, whoever) leads you over first apron set at $225M. Resign of Mortiz AND player option of Cole ( let's assume 15+13 M) leds you to second apron level.


This ofc assumes we will sign nobody in 2025 and no trades will ever occur, and that won't happen.
But in same time it's not outside of relm of possibility that Banchero can start on two allstar teams in near future ( especially if Embiid has no desire to play regular season that much) , and by default, he would fit Derrick Rose rule and active 30% max, and his starting salary would went from $43M to over $51M a year.

Anyway, salary situation on team with 2 max contracts + one massive contract isn't as ideal as you would think. Salary cap will go up for that 2026-27, but that is also year that is used to calculate Banchero's max, so majority of "new money" will just end up absorbed by his new contract.

At some point it is realistic to expect makeup trade to cut down roster quantity and find starting PG, that would be yet another big contract that would resign over span of next few years.


I don't know, we don't know what will team do next, but my point is, salary cap situation is bit more complicated than it looks at first look. You can easly be in situation that in 2027-28 you enter season with Suggs, Banchero, Franz ,Carter and Isaac holding $174M of your salary cap and 2 out of 5 are washed up and broken ( not that they are that healthy today, 3 years younger), in league where salary cap starts at $187M that year (estimated projections by league).

[T-Cat]

Given the new rules of the CBA, we realistically can't sign Suggs to a max extension because we so abruptly gave it to Franz knowing Paolo will be due for his next season.

Depending on how the season turns out, would anyone trade for Steph Curry? The Warriors could be thinking rebuild if they don't get off to a good start and be in the mix for 2025 top NBA draft pick.

Paolo, JI and Anthony Black are off the table though!

[JoshuaPotter]

I love watching so many posters implode over something that hasn't even happened. Everything is speculation until it happens regarding Suggs. I frankly, don't care. As many have stated good points regarding cap and the future.

If Suggs wants to be the 3rd option which he kinda already is, then he better be ready to prove it so worst case he can get what he wants on the free market.

[RichCollab]

I love watching so many posters implode over something that hasn't even happened. Everything is speculation until it happens regarding Suggs. I frankly, don't care. As many have stated good points regarding cap and the future.

If Suggs wants to be the 3rd option which he kinda already is, then he better be ready to prove it so worst case he can get what he wants on the free market.

Showing belief and commitment in Suggs now does have value.

Either way we better keep Suggs. We aren’t going to attract a better free agent here.

[JoshuaPotter]

I love watching so many posters implode over something that hasn't even happened. Everything is speculation until it happens regarding Suggs. I frankly, don't care. As many have stated good points regarding cap and the future.

If Suggs wants to be the 3rd option which he kinda already is, then he better be ready to prove it so worst case he can get what he wants on the free market.

Showing belief and commitment in Suggs now does have value.

Either way we better keep Suggs. We aren’t going to attract a better free agent here.

Put it this way, we have Suggs, Black, Jett, TDS. This may, or may not pan out. I'll be blunt, I don't think the org saw Suggs improving the way he did as much as he did last year. So there may be a "prove it" aspect coming.

Otherwise, we got Jett + Black last year to address a then mediocre combination of Fultz / Harris / Suggs / Cole. I know its only one pre-season game, but Jetts shot looks legit, and Black appears to be coming along. Eventually this kids will want their % of salary cap too.