OT: Clinton or Bush?

[Jalen Bluntson]

I believe there should be a law that any public platform involved in political campaigns must tell the truth. Any platform. Town hall. Interviews. Social media. Television ads. Voter registration drives. Debates. News networks... ANYTHING. This is just insanity how EVERY SINGLE Republican platform and candidate is constantly pushing lies. This is the very definition of election interference. Misinforming the public about things and driving them to vote based on lies is interfering in an election. I don't care if it's an op/ed. You can give your opinions all you want but, not on something that is a lie. If the candidate lies they should be held responsible as well. Locked up. Fined. Disqualified from the race. Period.

The problem is, the liars make the laws.

1) All parties lie to different degrees (I'd argue the left is more insidious and has nearly the entire media/hollywood/other industries on there side, but i digress)

2) Who determines the truth? How do you fact check the fact checkers?
Hint: it's nearly impossible. The closest thing I've seen to relaible fact checking is crowd-sourced "community notes" on twitter, and even that, i dont know. That's why we have free speech. It's up to you, as the consumer, to digest and make your own conclusions. Otherwise, you just get a bunch of "fact checkers" that arent fact checked themself that can control and censor everyone.

Are you seriously trying to say there is no way to find out if something is true? This is ridiculous.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I don’t want to stop anothers decision but at what point is a baby not a body? When can it be born (early) and live?
Outside of a medical emergency, aborting a baby that can live outside the womb (5 months or so?) seems the autonomy of the other living soul. At that point it is clearly a living being.

Seems like we are conflating medical emergencies or something to save the mother with abortion (as a form of birth control in general.)
And we replace one word with another to help us feel good about our acts. An abortion at 6 months as a form of birth control is murder.
Many blacks see it as such since Margarit Singer of planned parenthood, set out to reduce the black population. Actually, she used the word “exterminate.” See video On page prior I posted on black preachers speaking of this.

"blacks".

Also, the data is showing us that babies are dying and mothers are bleeding out due to draconian laws that you clearly support.

If you don't have a uterus, then you have zero say about what a woman does with her body, especially if her health is at risk. Your opinion matters little. It's not your body that has to endure pregnancy and complications. The fact that you think your beliefs on what constitutes murder should have credence over the people who are enduring pregnancy explains a lot as to why you openly support fascism.

Do you support teenage girls who were raped by family members being forced to carry an incest rape baby to term?

What am I allowed to say re “blacks”? I can’t say African American as that excludes Jamaicans, etc.

Murder is defined by law, not by gender. I can comment on it. You are and I think you are a man or ?

Name calling is not helping here, so keep your fascist comments to yourself. It is ironic as the Democratic party has become socialism.

I already said my point, abortions need to be stopped at around 4 months, so if you are raped don’t wait till it is a living being.

Abortions past the 1st trimester have always needed a medical reason to be performed. 12-16 weeks. No one was performing abortions after that for any reasons other than medical risks So what you are saying is, there was no reason to overturn RvW. Which we already knew.

You could say people of African descent.

[St Knick]

I believe there should be a law that any public platform involved in political campaigns must tell the truth. Any platform. Town hall. Interviews. Social media. Television ads. Voter registration drives. Debates. News networks... ANYTHING. This is just insanity how EVERY SINGLE Republican platform and candidate is constantly pushing lies. This is the very definition of election interference. Misinforming the public about things and driving them to vote based on lies is interfering in an election. I don't care if it's an op/ed. You can give your opinions all you want but, not on something that is a lie. If the candidate lies they should be held responsible as well. Locked up. Fined. Disqualified from the race. Period.

The problem is, the liars make the laws.

1) All parties lie to different degrees (I'd argue the left is more insidious and has nearly the entire media/hollywood/other industries on there side, but i digress)

2) Who determines the truth? How do you fact check the fact checkers?
Hint: it's nearly impossible. The closest thing I've seen to relaible fact checking is crowd-sourced "community notes" on twitter, and even that, i dont know. That's why we have free speech. It's up to you, as the consumer, to digest and make your own conclusions. Otherwise, you just get a bunch of "fact checkers" that arent fact checked themself that can control and censor everyone.

Are you seriously trying to say there is no way to find out if something is true? This is ridiculous.

Not at all, not sure how you came to that interpret my response as that. I just believe a majority of news outlets today are beyond compromised, and report in an activist manner (to push certain agendas due to other forces and incentives) and don't simply report "the news" (standin for "the facts").

My trust in most news outlets is broken. I feel the same way about the health industry. Many of us grew up trusting that these industries had our best interest at heart, but their industries are corrupted with gross incentives that make it's participants act in ways that are not in the general public's best interest. I think more and more American's (and humans) are waking up to the current state of affairs.

You can certainly find truth in there, but good luck.

[ScienceOfLosing]

"blacks".

Also, the data is showing us that babies are dying and mothers are bleeding out due to draconian laws that you clearly support.

If you don't have a uterus, then you have zero say about what a woman does with her body, especially if her health is at risk. Your opinion matters little. It's not your body that has to endure pregnancy and complications. The fact that you think your beliefs on what constitutes murder should have credence over the people who are enduring pregnancy explains a lot as to why you openly support fascism.

Do you support teenage girls who were raped by family members being forced to carry an incest rape baby to term?

What am I allowed to say re “blacks”? I can’t say African American as that excludes Jamaicans, etc.

Murder is defined by law, not by gender. I can comment on it. You are and I think you are a man or ?

Name calling is not helping here, so keep your fascist comments to yourself. It is ironic as the Democratic party has become socialism.

I already said my point, abortions need to be stopped at around 4 months, so if you are raped don’t wait till it is a living being.

Abortions past the 1st trimester have always needed a medical reason to be performed. 12-16 weeks. No one was performing abortions after that for any reasons other than medical risks So what you are saying is, there was no reason to overturn RvW. Which we already knew.

You could say people of African descent.

Thx for the description. Wish that would have been clarified here sooner.
Re Roe vs. Wade, it went from the Federal Government to the States. We are a Constitutional Republic, so again, that makes sense.

Re African Descent, fine by me but I suggest the hateful comments and name calling get way scaled back here. Goes both ways.
But there was never disrespect meant.

[spree8]

I believe there should be a law that any public platform involved in political campaigns must tell the truth. Any platform. Town hall. Interviews. Social media. Television ads. Voter registration drives. Debates. News networks... ANYTHING. This is just insanity how EVERY SINGLE Republican platform and candidate is constantly pushing lies. This is the very definition of election interference. Misinforming the public about things and driving them to vote based on lies is interfering in an election. I don't care if it's an op/ed. You can give your opinions all you want but, not on something that is a lie. If the candidate lies they should be held responsible as well. Locked up. Fined. Disqualified from the race. Period.

The problem is, the liars make the laws.

1) All parties lie to different degrees (I'd argue the left is more insidious and has nearly the entire media/hollywood/other industries on there side, but i digress)

2) Who determines the truth? How do you fact check the fact checkers?
Hint: it's nearly impossible. The closest thing I've seen to relaible fact checking is crowd-sourced "community notes" on twitter, and even that, i dont know. That's why we have free speech. It's up to you, as the consumer, to digest and make your own conclusions. Otherwise, you just get a bunch of "fact checkers" that arent fact checked themself that can control and censor everyone.

Mainstream media outlets ranging from television to newspapers, Fox News not withstanding since they've already been found liable in court for spreading lies and they are on record as being an "entertainment" outlet and not news, require strict corroboration on any stories before they are green lit for air/print. This is journalism 101.

[MrDollarBills]

I don’t want to stop anothers decision but at what point is a baby not a body? When can it be born (early) and live?
Outside of a medical emergency, aborting a baby that can live outside the womb (5 months or so?) seems the autonomy of the other living soul. At that point it is clearly a living being.

Seems like we are conflating medical emergencies or something to save the mother with abortion (as a form of birth control in general.)
And we replace one word with another to help us feel good about our acts. An abortion at 6 months as a form of birth control is murder.
Many blacks see it as such since Margarit Singer of planned parenthood, set out to reduce the black population. Actually, she used the word “exterminate.” See video On page prior I posted on black preachers speaking of this.

"blacks".

Also, the data is showing us that babies are dying and mothers are bleeding out due to draconian laws that you clearly support.

If you don't have a uterus, then you have zero say about what a woman does with her body, especially if her health is at risk. Your opinion matters little. It's not your body that has to endure pregnancy and complications. The fact that you think your beliefs on what constitutes murder should have credence over the people who are enduring pregnancy explains a lot as to why you openly support fascism.

Do you support teenage girls who were raped by family members being forced to carry an incest rape baby to term?

What am I allowed to say re “blacks”? I can’t say African American as that excludes Jamaicans, etc.

Murder is defined by law, not by gender. I can comment on it. You are and I think you are a man or ?

Name calling is not helping here, so keep your fascist comments to yourself. It is ironic as the Democratic party has become socialism.

I already said my point, abortions need to be stopped at around 4 months, so if you are raped don’t wait till it is a living being.

Sir. Sir. Excuse me. Excuse me, fake news, I did not call you a name. I demand you recant that false allegation. We're not gonna name call each other regardless of disagreements

Saying:

"Black people", "Black folks", "African American" is perfectly fine. I'm Caribbean American, so calling me African American is okay as well because I am a person of African descent as are most people from the Caribbean. For someone who isn't American, "Black person/people" is fine. When people use "blacks", or my favorite, "the blacks", it comes off as dehumanizing. I don't believe that was your intent, so it's good to have these discussions.

Regarding abortion, I believe the limit is 24 weeks. No doctor is going to abort after that unless there are medical reasons to do so.

So say, a 12 year old girl is raped in a state that has a total abortion ban. Should she be forced to carry the baby to term?

[MrDollarBills]

1) All parties lie to different degrees (I'd argue the left is more insidious and has nearly the entire media/hollywood/other industries on there side, but i digress)

2) Who determines the truth? How do you fact check the fact checkers?
Hint: it's nearly impossible. The closest thing I've seen to relaible fact checking is crowd-sourced "community notes" on twitter, and even that, i dont know. That's why we have free speech. It's up to you, as the consumer, to digest and make your own conclusions. Otherwise, you just get a bunch of "fact checkers" that arent fact checked themself that can control and censor everyone.

Mainstream media outlets ranging from television to newspapers, Fox News not withstanding since they've already been found liable in court for spreading lies and they are on record as being an "entertainment" outlet and not news, require strict corroboration on any stories before they are green lit for air/print. This is journalism 101.

You do realize that these outlets can be sued over this correct? This is why Fox News got nailed for millions of dollars for reporting outright lies about Dominion voting machines

There are strict practices and standards that actual news outlets adhere to in order to avoid that situation. You have to have your story and facts corroborated or it's not going to air/print. No editorial department with a brain is bypassing these standards no matter how salacious a story may be. It's why, for instance, no one has picked up the stuff about Trump allegedly raping a 13 year old girl while he was jet setting with his buddy Epstein, because there's no way to corroborate the testimony.

[MrDollarBills]

"blacks".

Also, the data is showing us that babies are dying and mothers are bleeding out due to draconian laws that you clearly support.

If you don't have a uterus, then you have zero say about what a woman does with her body, especially if her health is at risk. Your opinion matters little. It's not your body that has to endure pregnancy and complications. The fact that you think your beliefs on what constitutes murder should have credence over the people who are enduring pregnancy explains a lot as to why you openly support fascism.

Do you support teenage girls who were raped by family members being forced to carry an incest rape baby to term?

What am I allowed to say re “blacks”? I can’t say African American as that excludes Jamaicans, etc.

Murder is defined by law, not by gender. I can comment on it. You are and I think you are a man or ?

Name calling is not helping here, so keep your fascist comments to yourself. It is ironic as the Democratic party has become socialism.

I already said my point, abortions need to be stopped at around 4 months, so if you are raped don’t wait till it is a living being.

Abortions past the 1st trimester have always needed a medical reason to be performed. 12-16 weeks. No one was performing abortions after that for any reasons other than medical risks So what you are saying is, there was no reason to overturn RvW. Which we already knew.

You could say people of African descent.

12 to 16 weeks sounds right, I think NY allows up to 24 weeks with a medical reason for mother and child.

There is zero reason to have RvW terminated other than to impose control over women's bodies and punish them for having sex.

[Jalen Bluntson]

1) All parties lie to different degrees (I'd argue the left is more insidious and has nearly the entire media/hollywood/other industries on there side, but i digress)

2) Who determines the truth? How do you fact check the fact checkers?
Hint: it's nearly impossible. The closest thing I've seen to relaible fact checking is crowd-sourced "community notes" on twitter, and even that, i dont know. That's why we have free speech. It's up to you, as the consumer, to digest and make your own conclusions. Otherwise, you just get a bunch of "fact checkers" that arent fact checked themself that can control and censor everyone.

Are you seriously trying to say there is no way to find out if something is true? This is ridiculous.

Not at all, not sure how you came to that interpret my response as that. I just believe a majority of news outlets today are beyond compromised, and report in an activist manner (to push certain agendas due to other forces and incentives) and don't simply report "the news" (standin for "the facts").

My trust in most news outlets is broken. I feel the same way about the health industry. Many of us grew up trusting that these industries had our best interest at heart, but their industries are corrupted with gross incentives that make it's participants act in ways that are not in the general public's best interest. I think more and more American's (and humans) are waking up to the current state of affairs.

You can certainly find truth in there, but good luck.

I never even suggested that the news was responsible for finding out what is true or what is a lie. So your response is meaningless.

Fox News was found to be a bunch of liars in a court. They even admitted it. They are one of the biggest outlets that reports things that are blatantly false and continue doing so. The offshoots like OAN are just as bad. They give twisted opinions of fact that people believe are truths. They are the worst version of what I am referring to.

Then you have a POTUS who attacks any media that calls him out for lying as fake news. Not because they are lying though. It is page right out of the fascist dictator playbook. Perhaps you are unaware of what happened in the world prior to the last world war. You should want to educate yourself on these things. You will find that it is exactly what Hitler/Stalin/Mussolini did 90 years ago. You ok with that?

Your personal trust or lack thereof is irrelevant to what I posted. The only connection is that the damage done by Trump and Fox News Musk/X is exactly what I am referring to. You can choose to believe these lies and spread them on here or to friends/family because the damage is done. It should be illegal to spread these lies to the public.

As much as people want to believe that the "liberal media" is all fake news, it simply isn't true. Yet here we are fighting back against the actual liars in order to try and inform the people that Donald Trump and his sycophants are spreading misinformation in order to gain power. Using public platforms like News outlets/social media and everything I listed above.

[DOT]

I think the 46-47% national number for Trump is pretty accurate. That's where he was the last 2 cycles, I'd be surprised if he was over 47% or under 46%. Just seems like his floor and ceiling are set

With that being said, I do think the polls are doing everything they can to not underestimate him this time. No Republican has gotten over 47.2% since Bush Jr. in '04 (last time a Republican won a majority of total votes as well), so that tracks. Plus, Kamala has a pretty good favorability vs unfavorability rating (she's still net negative, but just barely so, unlike Trump and Biden who are both net negative 10+)

It's all about the margins. PA early voting looks really good, MI early voting looks solid, WI less so (one of the states with a plurality of votes from neither party), plus NC has the wildcard of Mark Robinson potentially dragging Trump down/driving more Dem turnout

I think it's rare for a candidate to win every state two cycles in a row and just add, personally speaking I expect a couple of flips. IMO, most likely outcome is blue wall of WI, MI, and PA, with GA and AZ flipping Trump and NC flipping blue. And at that point, NV doesn't matter. It just comes down to who can drive turnout more. Dems win when they get people excited, and I think despite some regression, people are still generally excited for Kamala. I hate horseshoe theory because it's always used incorrectly, but I do think both the "Kamala is gonna lose because Palestine" and "Trump is gonna win the popular vote because everybody loves him" camps are just terminally online and only listening to their echo chambers

Trump can still win of course, I do have my odds at 60/40, but he needs a lot to break his way, and the further out we get from 2016, the more that looks like an outlier, and traditional methods will be more effective

Also big factor imo is the fact he was already pretty broke and then it turns out the people he was paying to do his job for him with canvassing just ripped him off, because it's all grifters all the way down.

[ScienceOfLosing]

"blacks".

Also, the data is showing us that babies are dying and mothers are bleeding out due to draconian laws that you clearly support.

If you don't have a uterus, then you have zero say about what a woman does with her body, especially if her health is at risk. Your opinion matters little. It's not your body that has to endure pregnancy and complications. The fact that you think your beliefs on what constitutes murder should have credence over the people who are enduring pregnancy explains a lot as to why you openly support fascism.

Do you support teenage girls who were raped by family members being forced to carry an incest rape baby to term?

What am I allowed to say re “blacks”? I can’t say African American as that excludes Jamaicans, etc.

Murder is defined by law, not by gender. I can comment on it. You are and I think you are a man or ?

Name calling is not helping here, so keep your fascist comments to yourself. It is ironic as the Democratic party has become socialism.

I already said my point, abortions need to be stopped at around 4 months, so if you are raped don’t wait till it is a living being.

Sir. Sir. Excuse me. Excuse me, fake news, I did not call you a name. I demand you recant that false allegation. We're not gonna name call each other regardless of disagreements

Saying:

"Black people", "Black folks", "African American" is perfectly fine. I'm Caribbean American, so calling me African American is okay as well because I am a person of African descent as are most people from the Caribbean. For someone who isn't American, "Black person/people" is fine. When people use "blacks", or my favorite, "the blacks", it comes off as dehumanizing. I don't believe that was your intent, so it's good to have these discussions.

Regarding abortion, I believe the limit is 24 weeks. No doctor is going to abort after that unless there are medical reasons to do so.

So say, a 12 year old girl is raped in a state that has a total abortion ban. Should she be forced to carry the baby to term?

You know it is weird, as I never really thought saying “black” is bad. I never said “the blacks” or “the Chinese”, etc. as that does add negativity, agreed. I never minded being called White. It was always how a word was said that mattered. But I get how in text we totally get the wrong idea.

Read what I just said above, I was just against later abortions. But again, it is up to the States and I got no problem w that.
I find it interesting though that (here) people of African descent, that I’ve seen, don’t bring up that Margarit Singer, who started planned parenthood wanted to extermintate blacks (her words) and Hillary C. Admired her. WHAT.???

Life is sacred to me, all colors. If you want to argue for abortion, then focus on these cases of rape, medical emergencies, etc.
I am afraid abortion is treated as just birth control and we can’t forget the sacredness of life.

[MrDollarBills]

In other news, the US has confirmed that the North Koreans really put their troops on the ground in Ukraine to be fed into the meat grinder.

I dunno but seems like Putin and Kim want WW3 no matter what.

[spree8]

Mainstream media outlets ranging from television to newspapers, Fox News not withstanding since they've already been found liable in court for spreading lies and they are on record as being an "entertainment" outlet and not news, require strict corroboration on any stories before they are green lit for air/print. This is journalism 101.

You do realize that these outlets can be sued over this correct? This is why Fox News got nailed for millions of dollars for reporting outright lies about Dominion voting machines

There are strict practices and standards that actual news outlets adhere to in order to avoid that situation. You have to have your story and facts corroborated or it's not going to air/print. No editorial department with a brain is bypassing these standards no matter how salacious a story may be. It's why, for instance, no one has picked up the stuff about Trump allegedly raping a 13 year old girl while he was jet setting with his buddy Epstein, because there's no way to corroborate the testimony.

Defamation is one thing, but misinformation is another. Do you realize how incredibly difficult, if not impossible it is to sue a media organization for something like that? Come on man.

[Stannis]

Read on Twitter

[Clyde_Style]

Mainstream media outlets ranging from television to newspapers, Fox News not withstanding since they've already been found liable in court for spreading lies and they are on record as being an "entertainment" outlet and not news, require strict corroboration on any stories before they are green lit for air/print. This is journalism 101.

You do realize that these outlets can be sued over this correct? This is why Fox News got nailed for millions of dollars for reporting outright lies about Dominion voting machines

There are strict practices and standards that actual news outlets adhere to in order to avoid that situation. You have to have your story and facts corroborated or it's not going to air/print. No editorial department with a brain is bypassing these standards no matter how salacious a story may be. It's why, for instance, no one has picked up the stuff about Trump allegedly raping a 13 year old girl while he was jet setting with his buddy Epstein, because there's no way to corroborate the testimony.

Rudy just lost his assets for lying. So did that Q freak Alex Jones. And Fox News lost their shirt to Dominion.

The judiciary depends on facts to function. How else did Trump's goon lawyers get thrown out of court 62 times straight for lying about the 2020 election? A judge said you're lying, now STFU AND GTFO.

Anyone saying facts cannot be validated is not a serious person.

[spree8]

You do realize that these outlets can be sued over this correct? This is why Fox News got nailed for millions of dollars for reporting outright lies about Dominion voting machines

There are strict practices and standards that actual news outlets adhere to in order to avoid that situation. You have to have your story and facts corroborated or it's not going to air/print. No editorial department with a brain is bypassing these standards no matter how salacious a story may be. It's why, for instance, no one has picked up the stuff about Trump allegedly raping a 13 year old girl while he was jet setting with his buddy Epstein, because there's no way to corroborate the testimony.

Rudy just lost his assets for lying. So did that Q freak Alex Jones. And Fox News lost their shirt to Dominion.

The judiciary depends on facts to function. How else did Trump's goon lawyers get thrown out of court 62 times straight for lying about the 2020 election? A judge said you're lying, now STFU AND GTFO.

Anyone saying facts cannot be validated is not a serious person.

That’s all defamation not misinformation

[Clyde_Style]

You do realize that these outlets can be sued over this correct? This is why Fox News got nailed for millions of dollars for reporting outright lies about Dominion voting machines

There are strict practices and standards that actual news outlets adhere to in order to avoid that situation. You have to have your story and facts corroborated or it's not going to air/print. No editorial department with a brain is bypassing these standards no matter how salacious a story may be. It's why, for instance, no one has picked up the stuff about Trump allegedly raping a 13 year old girl while he was jet setting with his buddy Epstein, because there's no way to corroborate the testimony.

Rudy just lost his assets for lying. So did that Q freak Alex Jones. And Fox News lost their shirt to Dominion.

The judiciary depends on facts to function. How else did Trump's goon lawyers get thrown out of court 62 times straight for lying about the 2020 election? A judge said you're lying, now STFU AND GTFO.

Anyone saying facts cannot be validated is not a serious person.

That’s all defamation not misinformation

These cases are all Defamation due to Spreading Misinformation

You actually think you're making a distinction, but you're not

[Clyde_Style]

I don't have time to do this dance anyway so good night

13 days

Can't come soon enough

[Jalen Bluntson]

What am I allowed to say re “blacks”? I can’t say African American as that excludes Jamaicans, etc.

Murder is defined by law, not by gender. I can comment on it. You are and I think you are a man or ?

Name calling is not helping here, so keep your fascist comments to yourself. It is ironic as the Democratic party has become socialism.

I already said my point, abortions need to be stopped at around 4 months, so if you are raped don’t wait till it is a living being.

Sir. Sir. Excuse me. Excuse me, fake news, I did not call you a name. I demand you recant that false allegation. We're not gonna name call each other regardless of disagreements

Saying:

"Black people", "Black folks", "African American" is perfectly fine. I'm Caribbean American, so calling me African American is okay as well because I am a person of African descent as are most people from the Caribbean. For someone who isn't American, "Black person/people" is fine. When people use "blacks", or my favorite, "the blacks", it comes off as dehumanizing. I don't believe that was your intent, so it's good to have these discussions.

Regarding abortion, I believe the limit is 24 weeks. No doctor is going to abort after that unless there are medical reasons to do so.

So say, a 12 year old girl is raped in a state that has a total abortion ban. Should she be forced to carry the baby to term?

You know it is weird, as I never really thought saying “black” is bad. I never said “the blacks” or “the Chinese”, etc. as that does add negativity, agreed. I never minded being called White. It was always how a word was said that mattered. But I get how in text we totally get the wrong idea.

Read what I just said above, I was just against later abortions. But again, it is up to the States and I got no problem w that.
I find it interesting though that (here) people of African descent, that I’ve seen, don’t bring up that Margarit Singer, who started planned parenthood wanted to extermintate blacks (her words) and Hillary C. Admired her. WHAT.???

Life is sacred to me, all colors. If you want to argue for abortion, then focus on these cases of rape, medical emergencies, etc.
I am afraid abortion is treated as just birth control and we can’t forget the sacredness of life.

You clearly don't know anything about abortions. That much is clear. They were administered exactly how you said they should be. Also...it isn't about being pro abortion. It's about the woman carrying the baby. It's about her body her choice. You can be pro choice and not pro abortion.

There are no such things as late term abortion being used as birth control. No one who is pro choice wants that either. Late term abortions have always been a matter of life and death/medical concerns for BOTH the baby and the mother. This idea that you can get an abortion whenever you want is a flat out lie. It is ridiculous to suggest that even being a part of the discussion.

You keep bringing up this MagarEt SAnger talking point. She was AGAINST abortions. She was also dead before RvW was passed. Do you have any clue what you are talking about right now? She was the woman responsible for birth control. She was also born in 1879. Times change.

Seeing how you are so completely misinformed, maybe you should mind your own business. That's the entire problem. People don't even know what they are arguing against or why.

Any opinion on pro lifers bombing abortion clinics or murdering doctors? Do you even know that happens?

[spree8]

Rudy just lost his assets for lying. So did that Q freak Alex Jones. And Fox News lost their shirt to Dominion.

The judiciary depends on facts to function. How else did Trump's goon lawyers get thrown out of court 62 times straight for lying about the 2020 election? A judge said you're lying, now STFU AND GTFO.

Anyone saying facts cannot be validated is not a serious person.

That’s all defamation not misinformation

These cases are all Defamation due to Spreading Misinformation

You actually think you're making a distinction, but you're not

In the context of a lawsuit, yes there absolutely is a distinction.

Defamation is slander or a statement that damages a person’s/company’s reputation.

Misinformation is just false information. You can spread this frequently without defaming someone.

Media spreads both misinformation and disinformation all the time. I’m not sure how this is some new concept to some here.