AB the PG development thread

[VFX]

Yeah, opportunity is one factor I want to track. What do you think the key driver is for Amen, Ausar, and Castle having the edge there?

Ausar will get significantly more opportunities because Pistons roster is arguably trash.

Amen might have a more difficult time considering the youth + FVV and roster construction. Reed is more important to develop IMO.

Castle will be closer to Orlando’s situation where they have to weigh development vs short term wins with guys like Jones and Paul taking a lot of minutes. Thing about him though is that he is good enough defensively that he’s going to get backup SG minutes behind Vassell. The rest of their SG rotation isn’t good enough for him not to.

Twins aren't guards in nba tho.

Amen has some passing vision but with fundamentally broken jumpshot he will never be playmaker in nba.
I once made something that at times sounded like a joke, even to me, that Ausar is 6'6 center. I'm not sure that is joke now
Guy is no 3 and D player. Elite athlete, elite defensive potential, but just flat out nothing on offense, if he can't dunk it.
Fun fact, out of 232 FGM, 79 were dunks. Guy is 6'6- 6'7.

Castle is only player here mentioned with guard skillset. But Spurs do have two capable PGs. Given they are all in for Vemby, Castle will probably play some backup SG as you said. Tbh i'm firm beliver Castle will push Jones out of rotation or on trade block very fast. Pop loves defense , size, shooting and playing within system, Tre can't provide 3 out of 4.
Pop once said George Hill was his favorite player, well Castle seems to be his copy. PG-SG who understands game, plays with and without ball ,has size for both positions , can keep dribble alive, doesn't do anything dumb. Sounds like Pop's sweetheart.

Oh I agree with you. Neither of them are really guards.

I was adamant about Orlando avoiding them in the draft. They are classic position-less athletes, that played zero competition to get into the league, and almost shoot less than Fultz. They are destined to be journeyman thrown into trades.

Castle was one of the top guys in the draft that I thought was going to be an impact player in the league.

[Bensational]

I feel like AB has a bit of Paolo’s bully ball style in him - except Paolo looks to score and AB looks to pass. He’s a big body and if he can turn the corner and get going downhill his size and physicality is likely to draw contact.

One move from the Philly game which got me excited was Black getting his defender on his back and being able to dictate pace from there. It was just one play but hopefully a flash of more to come cos that’s a bit of Luka Magic there and if Black (and Paolo) can get good at it it’ll be a game changer.

[basketballRob]

I'm really curious to see his development in contrast to Amen, Ausar, and Castle. Amen and Ausar because of draft proximity, Castle because of similarity in skill sets.

Keyonte man.....Keyonte...

Keyonte was one of the worst defenders in the NBA last season.

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[CarraT]

Im switching from MCW comparison to Shawn Livingston comparison. That’s progress.

[JBSouthpaw]

10 pts. 6 rebs and 4 assists 0 turnovers.
That's not too shabby.
His 3 was sweet, and timely. No hesitation.
When Suggs or KCP miss a game, plugging him in the SL will be nice.

[JoshuaPotter]

10 pts. 6 rebs and 4 assists 0 turnovers.
That's not too shabby.
His 3 was sweet, and timely. No hesitation.
When Suggs or KCP miss a game, plugging him in the SL will be nice.

It will be interesting to see how teams develop game plans around the 2nd unit and whether or not Black having the reigns will be sustained.

He made several cuts, and moves where his pass resulted in an extra pass for a 3-ball. While not his assist, he "set the table".

Saw several highlight plays where he displayed behind the back passing, connecting with Paolo and Harris. Teams will continue to disrespect his 3-ball as they should, but wide open he is closer to .40 then he is for anything spot up. Hopefully he continues to work on his long range game, then I see him as deadly offensively as Suggs.

[JoshuaPotter]

So, someone tell me, when I listened in, the radio broadcaster seemed to indicate that Black was the one setting the table on offense by bringing the ball up court and not Anthony? Was this true? Or is it still a "by committee" approach?

[eyriq]

This sequence was so purty.

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[Catledge]

So, someone tell me, when I listened in, the radio broadcaster seemed to indicate that Black was the one setting the table on offense by bringing the ball up court and not Anthony? Was this true? Or is it still a "by committee" approach?

Cole did more ball handling than Black did by some margin, and Cole did ok with his floor general work. It was just his shooting that stunk.

Black did ok with the ball in his hands, but he basically never penetrated all the way to the rim. I did get the impression that he benefited from watching Ingles play last year with a lot of early passes with high release points.

In any event, if you are wondering what position to designate AB last night, I would continue to call him a wing for the vast majority of the game.

[eyriq]

So, someone tell me, when I listened in, the radio broadcaster seemed to indicate that Black was the one setting the table on offense by bringing the ball up court and not Anthony? Was this true? Or is it still a "by committee" approach?

Cole did more ball handling than Black did by some margin, and Cole did ok with his floor general work. It was just his shooting that stunk.

Black did ok with the ball in his hands, but he basically never penetrated all the way to the rim. I did get the impression that he benefited from watching Ingles play last year with a lot of early passes with high release points.

In any event, if you are wondering what position to designate AB last night, I would continue to call him a wing for the vast majority of the game.

That's fair, he was frequently on Jaquez.

B-R has his positional split as 37% PG, 63% SG, which is... whatever, but it's at least a play-by-play based approach to determining position.

20.1 AST% is secondary playmaker territory, and in-line with his year in college.

[eyriq]

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[JoshuaPotter]

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He really wanted that as part of his story last night. You could see him not included on several fast breaks. Couple players just beating him slightly to the punch. But this drive is good, it makes the defense keep thinking about it.

He just really needs to work on his spot up shooting off a dribble still as people wont respect the high pick and roll from him and likely leave him open to work with his PnR and screens.

[Knightro]

So, someone tell me, when I listened in, the radio broadcaster seemed to indicate that Black was the one setting the table on offense by bringing the ball up court and not Anthony? Was this true? Or is it still a "by committee" approach?

Cole had the ball in his hands more and dribbled more than Black did on a per touch basis.

Black outpaced Cole in overall touches, but he also played 10 1/2 more minutes than Cole because Suggs only ended up playing 13 minutes because of foul trouble and then the 2nd half being a blowout.

It's certainly clear if anything happens to Suggs, they'll be going to Black ahead of Cole, which is how it should be.

[eyriq]

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[Bergmaniac]

He definitely seems both more confident and plain better at doing classic PG things and running plays this year, which is very good to see. Hopefully he'll gradually over the course of the season get a bigger role in the offense of the second unit while Cole's role in this aspect is reduced.

[Rainwater]

I was skeptical but love the progress I saw last night

[cedric76]

He locked the back up PG position

Cole won't be here long

[eyriq]

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[JoshuaPotter]

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Not enough analysis, homer post, toss out article, who does this author think he is, where do you find these guys, did an AI write this, usage rate isn't high enough, played against bums, coach didn't play him over a broomstick, you got to stop comparing him to Magic Johnson.

[OrlChamps2030]

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Who had the most potential assists?