PG Celtics - Bucks Fade

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

The guys on the Ricky Sanchez pod (Sixers) hate Doc with the power of one thousand suns. They call him lazy, incompetent and a big phony. I tried for the past year to rationalize that Spike and Mike’s thoughts were way over the top.

They weren’t.

I am sure you will enjoy me saying this...

But me wanting Bud fired might be my #1 all-time Be careful what you wish for moment as a sports fan.

I will admit when I am wrong. I will be eating crow on that one for awhile.

Nah, we were going nowhere with bud. There was always the chance we’d get worse without him, but we had to make a change.

I would've like to seen bud with Dame. I wonder if management knew we were getting dame, would they have kept bud?

[mattg]

The creative move is to trade Giannis for an absolute monster return of prospects, picks, and win now pieces that lets you rebuild on the fly before he either gets hurt, or everyone else figures out that Giannis is not who Giannis used to be.

Giannis is the franchise. He's put the team and city on the map. And been loyal to the point of taking less lucrative contracts to stay here. I don't entertain trades for him, unless he determines he wants to move on. He's our Dirk and would like him to retire a Buck.

Now, the other guys on the roster....the coach...the GM......trade/fire away.

And that's a fine viewpoint to have, but there is not a combination of moves you can make with our roster and assets that builds a contender around current Giannis. It literally is not remotely possible right now.

The ceiling on winning is substantially higher trading Giannis for whatever than it is trading everything else around Giannis. It's the sad reality we live in right now. It's perfectly valid and acceptable to not want to trade Giannis for just about every non basketball reason we could come up with...but the winning centric moves begin and end with trading Giannis.

Also, Middleton has to just get moved for anything at this point. The reality is you can't have key guys who are always hurt where the team is always operating in the mindset of "just wait until we are full strength". It leads to nonstop poor roster decisions, but even more importantly, the roster/players never develop a serious mentality because they are always like "oh these games don't matter, we aren't even at full strength yet". But that never ends up happening because by the time the oft-injured guy comes back, other guys are banged up with regular wear and tear too. Not even mentioning the chemistry that teammates never get a chance to build. And this isn't a Bucks only problem, it's in general, all the teams that try and rely on key stars that routinely are hurt NEVER win. Whether it's the Clippers with Kawhi, Sixers and Embiid, post GSW Durant teams, etc.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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This is some prime snakeoil in the post game presser.

doc has the worst luck. he's team always underachieves but it is never his fault.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

The creative move is to trade Giannis for an absolute monster return of prospects, picks, and win now pieces that lets you rebuild on the fly before he either gets hurt, or everyone else figures out that Giannis is not who Giannis used to be.

Giannis is the franchise. He's put the team and city on the map. And been loyal to the point of taking less lucrative contracts to stay here. I don't entertain trades for him, unless he determines he wants to move on. He's our Dirk and would like him to retire a Buck.

Now, the other guys on the roster....the coach...the GM......trade/fire away.

And that's a fine viewpoint to have, but there is not a combination of moves you can make with our roster and assets that builds a contender around current Giannis. It literally is not remotely possible right now.

The ceiling on winning is substantially higher trading Giannis for whatever than it is trading everything else around Giannis. It's the sad reality we live in right now. It's perfectly valid and acceptable to not want to trade Giannis for just about every non basketball reason we could come up with...but the winning centric moves begin and end with trading Giannis.

Also, Middleton has to just get moved for anything at this point. The reality is you can't have key guys who are always hurt where the team is always operating in the mindset of "just wait until we are full strength". It leads to nonstop poor roster decisions, but even more importantly, the roster/players never develop a serious mentality because they are always like "oh these games don't matter, we aren't even at full strength yet". But that never ends up happening because by the time the oft-injured guy comes back, other guys are banged up with regular wear and tear too. Not even mentioning the chemistry that teammates never get a chance to build. And this isn't a Bucks only problem, it's in general, all the teams that try and rely on key stars that routinely are hurt NEVER win. Whether it's the Clippers with Kawhi, Sixers and Embiid, post GSW Durant teams, etc.

Giannis is a competitive dude and has his own ego. if you have a heart to heart with him where his options are either 1. a rebuild here, 2. playing it out with Dame and midds as a 2nd round ceiling team or 3. trading him to OKC where he has a shot at 2 more rings, his probably choosing 3. he is a top 25 player and without another ring his ceiling is probably 18. if he gets a few more with another team he is definitely top 15.

[JayMKE]

Yeah that's nonsense we can build a winner around Dame alone, that's dumb as hell.

[ampd]

Our big 3 not getting to play together much because somebody always seems to be injured sucks, but any team with both Giannis and Dame should absolutely cruise to 50 wins in the regular season with a competent GM and coaching.

[James1980]

If Bud were a better coach, we would have best the Raptors in the ECF in 2019

[JayMKE]

If Bud were a better coach, we would have best the Raptors in the ECF in 2019

does this team ever get to ECF let alone win a championship with JKidd as coach or Doc Rivers instead?

[BucksFanSD]

Giannis just doesn't get it

I’m curious what’s he supposed to be doing? No one else but him or dame can score

Drive and freakin pass for an easy bucket or swing it out for an easy 3. Stop trying to force it.. Play smarter

I agree with this. Giannis should focus on getting other teammates scoring and then get his. The reason for this is that we're very beatable when it's obvious who is going to score or not score each possession. I've been thinking this for a few seasons now. We are too predictable on both offense and defense which makes us weak. If Giannis has an opportunity to get to the foul line he's doing that instead of passing for a wide open three. I'd rather him pass a lot of these. Keep the defense guessing and his teammates rolling.

[FlagsFlyForever]

If Bud were a better coach, we would have best the Raptors in the ECF in 2019

But we didn't, so all we got was a title while consistently being the best team in the league and getting unlucky with untimely injuries that cost us another championship or two. Which somehow wasn't good enough so now we have a coach who was fired three times in his career already and is 20-26 since he got here.

[DutchManDanFan]

Jrue was 4/7 from 3. Nobody from the Bucks came close to that.

[Sigra]

Giannis is the franchise. He's put the team and city on the map. And been loyal to the point of taking less lucrative contracts to stay here. I don't entertain trades for him, unless he determines he wants to move on. He's our Dirk and would like him to retire a Buck.

Now, the other guys on the roster....the coach...the GM......trade/fire away.

And that's a fine viewpoint to have, but there is not a combination of moves you can make with our roster and assets that builds a contender around current Giannis. It literally is not remotely possible right now.

I agree. There is not a combination of moves you can make with our roster and assets that builds a contender around Giannis.

I also agree with PP that Giannis is the franchise that put the team and city on the map and has been loyal. You cant trade him unless he determines he wants to move on.

So, we will not trade Giannis and we will not be contenders in near future. That is what it is. People just need to relax and remember those Redd-Mo years. We still have Giannis and Dame and we will make playoffs. Maybe even win in first round. Hell, we would kill for that in years before Giannis

[slos]

Wright looks done to me, Prince is under no circumstances a 30+ minutes NBA player even with our starting SF out. I’m also done with Green, can’t see an NBA player there.

This team desperately needs athleticism and speed. Just play the younger players. What worse could happen if Johnson and Jackson took 10ish minutes? Are they supposed to grow with garbage time?

[Daver]

Not beating anyone shooting 25% from 3 shooters looked good in preseason the seasons starts and they forgot to shoot wtf

Wasnt like bpston oytplayed the bucks bucks guarded the Cs pretty well only fifference big difference was boston made their 3s not great 37% but tbey made 11 more thsn the bucks thats 33 points difference ball game.
Doc had nothing to do with guys missing 3s

[Daver]

If Bud were a better coach, we would have best the Raptors in the ECF in 2019

And the Cs in 22

[Fotis St]

We needed athletic wings to guard from 3-5 and we got 2 guards Wright and GTJ to replace Dairy Bird ... I have been telling u , this Franchise is intetionally griefed from within.

Giannis is part of the problem keeping his kid's toys around.

Trade Brook,Khris and Pat asap and get Giannis to learn new things such as living in the post area and make his FTs. Let Lillard run the show full time.

Brook Khris and Pat cost the Bucks 60M per year. For what ? They are almost stealing Milwaukee's money. What is their production ? They worth the minimum and the Bucks are stuck with em.

[randy84]

Jrue was 4/7 from 3. Nobody from the Bucks came close to that.

Did anyone other than Dame or Giannis even get 7 attempts?

[ShootingtheJ]

One problem I'm seeing (W)right away is Delon Wright is not a point guard, on either end. I think he's a fine piece but especially with Khris out once Dame is off the court we have nobody who can run the offense. Through four -21.7 with him on the court, offense at 100 ortg.

Wright is 32 years old and has played for 8 teams in the last six years. That ain’t moving the needle for anyone.

He's a playoff assassin. Yeah, he usually coasts through the regular season, but he'll be there when it matters, knocking down 3s while locking dudes up. PGs struggle to get the ball up the floor against, including last year.

[ShootingtheJ]

There's plenty of 30 year old journey men who make impacts in spots, I'm saying I don't think Delon at backup point guard is utilizing any of his skills. He's currently the point guard in Giannis/Bobby/Pat lineups, pretty trash roll out to begin with that is exacerbated by not having a point guard to settle things down when they get too idiot Bobby/Giannis heavy.

I understand your point. I just think he’s washed.

BBReference has a neat stat feature that lets you sort a players top 20 statistical games for a number of categories. Most of Wright’s impact came in the 2016-2021 period.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wrighde01.html

Can he still make a great play? Sure. But at this point he’s just a guy.

It also has a feature called playoffs. Check out his impact in his last 2 series, including last year.

[ShootingtheJ]

While Prince was getting cooked last night, Ryan Dunn locked up Lebron numerous times last night, and AJ Johnson was with the G League team.