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GrandAdmiralDan wrote:And I get so fed up hearing Bucks fans and media members say things like "we should have never traded Jrue".
paulpressey25 wrote:GrandAdmiralDan wrote:And I get so fed up hearing Bucks fans and media members say things like "we should have never traded Jrue".
We should have never traded Jrue. That lesson keeps coming back to bite us. Dame is a rich man’s Mo Williams. Jrue meant more to us winning games.
Keep Jrue and put a package of Grayson and three years of unprotected control of our drafts, post Giannis, would have brought us a damn good player to add to our big three. We went for the shiny PPGZ.
“At the end of the day, being a winner, it’s [more important than] that goal [of being with one team my entire career],” he told The New York Times “Winning a championship comes first. I don’t want to be 20 years on the same team and don’t win another championship.” As it stands, Antetokounmpo is entering the third year of a five-season, $228 million contract. (He can opt out after the fourth year if he chooses.) The extension he’s currently eligible for would tack on another three years and $173 million contractually.
ReasonablySober wrote:paulpressey25 wrote:GrandAdmiralDan wrote:And I get so fed up hearing Bucks fans and media members say things like "we should have never traded Jrue".
We should have never traded Jrue. That lesson keeps coming back to bite us. Dame is a rich man’s Mo Williams. Jrue meant more to us winning games.
Keep Jrue and put a package of Grayson and three years of unprotected control of our drafts, post Giannis, would have brought us a damn good player to add to our big three. We went for the shiny PPGZ.
On the first page of the Dame thread you're saying how much you loved the deal.
Remember, this is Giannis in late August of that summer:“At the end of the day, being a winner, it’s [more important than] that goal [of being with one team my entire career],” he told The New York Times “Winning a championship comes first. I don’t want to be 20 years on the same team and don’t win another championship.” As it stands, Antetokounmpo is entering the third year of a five-season, $228 million contract. (He can opt out after the fourth year if he chooses.) The extension he’s currently eligible for would tack on another three years and $173 million contractually.
The Bucks didn't just trade for Dame. They got Giannis to sign an extension too.
ReasonablySober wrote:paulpressey25 wrote:
We should have never traded Jrue. That lesson keeps coming back to bite us. Dame is a rich man’s Mo Williams. Jrue meant more to us winning games.
Keep Jrue and put a package of Grayson and three years of unprotected control of our drafts, post Giannis, would have brought us a damn good player to add to our big three. We went for the shiny PPGZ.
On the first page of the Dame thread you're saying how much you loved the deal.
FlagsFlyForever wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:paulpressey25 wrote:
We should have never traded Jrue. That lesson keeps coming back to bite us. Dame is a rich man’s Mo Williams. Jrue meant more to us winning games.
Keep Jrue and put a package of Grayson and three years of unprotected control of our drafts, post Giannis, would have brought us a damn good player to add to our big three. We went for the shiny PPGZ.
On the first page of the Dame thread you're saying how much you loved the deal.
It seems reasonable to change your mind on the Jrue trade after watching the 2024 season.
Bucksmaniac wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm starting to sour on Giannis
Fotis St wrote:Just watched highlights of Indiana vs Celtics ...
Oh my God ... the Pacers played for long stretch with Obi freakin Toppin as their 5. They run the s@ out of Boston on transition. They have Jackson too. Then you look at the Bucks and we have dinosaurs with slow feet. OMG. This is a personnel issue it can't be fixed.
We basically have ONLY ONE PLAYER who can guard modern Centers and that is Giannis
We have ONLY ONE PLAYER who can guard 4s ... Giannis again.
We have ONLY ONE PLAYER who can be competent defender at the 3 ... Prince ...we are a fkng joke. Fire Horst for not getting athletic wings, setting us up to lose once more.
FlagsFlyForever wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:paulpressey25 wrote:
We should have never traded Jrue. That lesson keeps coming back to bite us. Dame is a rich man’s Mo Williams. Jrue meant more to us winning games.
Keep Jrue and put a package of Grayson and three years of unprotected control of our drafts, post Giannis, would have brought us a damn good player to add to our big three. We went for the shiny PPGZ.
On the first page of the Dame thread you're saying how much you loved the deal.
It seems reasonable to change your mind on the Jrue trade after watching the 2024 season.
ReasonablySober wrote:
On the first page of the Dame thread you're saying how much you loved the deal.
The Bucks didn't just trade for Dame. They got Giannis to sign an extension too.
soxperry wrote:Sure, i think we all look at it differently now. But its not really a productive or useful exercise to go back and apply hindsight.
paulpressey25 wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:
On the first page of the Dame thread you're saying how much you loved the deal.
The Bucks didn't just trade for Dame. They got Giannis to sign an extension too.
I think I've said a million times on here that the Dame trade seemed fantastic at the time. We all did. Except one guy, Bill Simmons. If you go back on listen to his pod when the trade came down, he did a salty 15-minute segment where he said Dame was way overrated and would destroy your defensive scheme. Now granted, part of this was his Celtic homer googles. But in hindsight he was 100% correct.
And yes, Giannis was involved in it from the get-go. Again, I get that.
My points though are:
1) We made a deal that could come back to haunt us given those 2028-2030 picks, and Giannis as GM needs some accountability here.
2) People always keep rationalizing that the deal was still good given that Dame >> Jrue. Maybe, maybe not. But the deal wasn't just Jrue - we gave up a **** ton of other assets.
In the end, Horst, Owners, Giannis need to take accountability for it, and figure out the best path forward.
DanoMac wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10141673-nba-trade-rumors-bucks-giannis-linked-to-heat-nets-by-insiders-teams-circling
Is this the beginning of the end?
"Teams are circling -- and hopeful," one Western Conference team executive said.
"I wouldn't be surprised if it happened by the trade deadline," said a top executive of a team that could be in the mix.
An Eastern Conference NBA executive has already heard the places believed to be Giannis' would-be preferred destinations: "The teams I've heard are Miami and New York -- the Nets, not the Knicks."
There are also other teams with the means, in theory, to go after a player of Giannis' caliber. The Oklahoma City Thunder certainly come to mind, and I asked the Eastern Conference executive about the Thunder potentially making a run if Milwaukee's big man eventually wants out.
"I haven't heard them mentioned, but yeah, if you're Milwaukee you might just go, 'I don't give a f--- what you want. If you want out, we're getting the best deal we can.' And Oklahoma City could definitely offer a good one."
And yes -- yes, yes, yes -- it's early. It is not yet November. But not so early that some rival teams are eying Milwaukee's struggles with anything other than glee.
There's also another brewing backstory in Milwaukee that could push Giannis toward an exit. Many people in the NBA have heard that Rivers, known for his in-house political maneuverings, has already won over the owner enough that he's now the key voice in basketball decisions.
"They tell me it's up to Doc now, that they're going to wait 20 games and then see what Doc wants," said one person familiar with the Bucks' front-office inner-workings. "It sounds like it's a mess."
Gery Woelfel wrote:Got a time big boy?