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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#361 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:36 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Denver is in real trouble.....29/18/16 from Jokic and a last second shot from him to force over time against the Nets. They even got good games from Murray and Westbrook


I wouldn't be terribly concerned if I was them or other good teams with slow starts. It's so early. In 2006-7, we started 1-5 and then had winning streaks of 15 and 17 and before you know it, we were 36-8 and ended up with the 2nd best record in the league.

The same year, the Mavs started 0-4 and then had winning streaks of 12, 13, 8, 17 and 9 and before you know it, they were 61-11 and ended with the best record in the NBA.

I think Denver is a little worse, having lost KCP, but they still have their core. I'm not sure Dallas is much worse, but I imagine them losing DJJ hurts defensively in the long run. But Lively is still developing and they have a nice C rotation, and a lot of guys who can shoot. And are solid rebounding with the Cs, Luka and PJ.

I do think Denver finishes 5th or so but I won't be surprised if they make the 2nd round again like last year.

The poor start is less about the poor start but more indicative I think of the state of their roster. Like I said before the start of the season, they are capable of being the #2 team in the West if they have all pistons firing because they still have the best player in the world imo but I also think that's less likely than ever in the Jokic era. So they clearly have room to improve but there is a ceiling that I think will be noticeably lower. Unless Jamal gets back to form and consistently carry a big regular season load or MPJ takes another step to be more than just a starter level player but rather an all-star level player, I think it's going to be tough.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#362 » by Fo-Real » Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:34 am

When and how the hell did Jalen Smith go to the bulls??
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#363 » by Bogyo » Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:15 am

Fo-Real wrote:When and how the hell did Jalen Smith go to the bulls??


He would be soooo useful right about now on the Suns...
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#364 » by Fo-Real » Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:54 pm

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Fo-Real wrote:When and how the hell did Jalen Smith go to the bulls??


He would be soooo useful right about now on the Suns...


God I wish we hadn't threw in Toumani Camara to the friggin Ayton deal!!! He and Smith would really round out this roster and the Bol experiment wouldn't have needed to happen at all.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#365 » by Slim Charless » Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:58 pm

sunsbg wrote:
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AtheJ415 wrote:We should trade Nurkic for Ayton

Not happening lol.


Shame, motivated Ayton puts this team in the finals again. Just need to motivate him somehow. Is he up for a new contract ? :lol:


You guys are thinking too small:

Booker for Giannis.

Allows for a much better fit as now we don't have a backlog at SG. Fixes our defense (Nurk) issue and creates a fearsome frontcourt that goes inside and outside.

Jones
Beal
KD
Giannis
Nurk

I think if he demanded to come here, it's perfect fit.
Also IMO it's a fair trade straight up...
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#366 » by sasquatchBob » Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:02 pm

Saben Lee just made a buzzer to beat Real Madrid in Euroleague
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#367 » by bwgood77 » Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:10 pm

sunsbg wrote:
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AtheJ415 wrote:We should trade Nurkic for Ayton

Not happening lol.


Shame, motivated Ayton puts this team in the finals again. Just need to motivate him somehow. Is he up for a new contract ? :lol:


I was browsing NBA league pass last night watching all the game recaps and the Blazers/Clips had like 1 minute left and a 1 pt game. I tune in just in time to see Ayton get an offensive rebound, and when he had it he was surrounded with people slapping at it, but he cradled the ball, shook them off, and put it up and in for the go ahead score. Looked like he learned from getting it stolen in those situations. Then when Harden inbounded on the final play he lobbed it high to try and get it to Zubac and Ayton blocked the pass and stole it, game over. Pretty weird to see Ayton make basically the game winner and then the game saving defensive play. I guess on offense too he now often is put in the corner and is shooting more 3s to open up the lane.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#368 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:59 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Not happening lol.


Shame, motivated Ayton puts this team in the finals again. Just need to motivate him somehow. Is he up for a new contract ? :lol:


I was browsing NBA league pass last night watching all the game recaps and the Blazers/Clips had like 1 minute left and a 1 pt game. I tune in just in time to see Ayton get an offensive rebound, and when he had it he was surrounded with people slapping at it, but he cradled the ball, shook them off, and put it up and in for the go ahead score. Looked like he learned from getting it stolen in those situations. Then when Harden inbounded on the final play he lobbed it high to try and get it to Zubac and Ayton blocked the pass and stole it, game over. Pretty weird to see Ayton make basically the game winner and then the game saving defensive play. I guess on offense too he now often is put in the corner and is shooting more 3s to open up the lane.

He's always been capable of making game changing/winning plays but consistency is his biggest roadblock. If he could just do that night in and night out, he would still be a Phoenix Sun.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#369 » by Mr Puddles » Fri Nov 1, 2024 12:28 am

I think the best pitch for Bud to convince Beal to come off the bench is that Dunn can take on the main defensive assignment not tiring Beal out of the defensive end of the floor to start the game.

I.e. Dunn starts the game on Harden, by the time Bradley gets subbed in his defensive assignment will be a rotation guard while he'll be top dog in the second unit. Instead of chasing around the best player on the opposing team, he can focus on what he does best.

In terms of minutes distribution, we'll still see Beal and Book on the floor at the same time - but against many opposing rotations that works just fine. Is the opposition going small, throw a three guard line up out there. Is the opposition lacking ball pressure, having a Book and Beal PG/SG backcourt works fine in spurts. We closed the game with that backcourt against the Lakers and it looked good.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#370 » by Mr Puddles » Fri Nov 1, 2024 12:39 am

Slim Charless wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Saberestar wrote:Not happening lol.


Shame, motivated Ayton puts this team in the finals again. Just need to motivate him somehow. Is he up for a new contract ? :lol:


You guys are thinking too small:

Booker for Giannis.

Allows for a much better fit as now we don't have a backlog at SG. Fixes our defense (Nurk) issue and creates a fearsome frontcourt that goes inside and outside.

Jones
Beal
KD
Giannis
Nurk

I think if he demanded to come here, it's perfect fit.
Also IMO it's a fair trade straight up...


What would be the motivation for the Bucks? A Dame / Booker backcourt doesn't fit IMO. If the Bucks trade Giannis it will be for a total rebuild or for a star who has less overlap with Dame than Book.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#371 » by Slim Charless » Fri Nov 1, 2024 1:10 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
sunsbg wrote:
Shame, motivated Ayton puts this team in the finals again. Just need to motivate him somehow. Is he up for a new contract ? :lol:


You guys are thinking too small:

Booker for Giannis.

Allows for a much better fit as now we don't have a backlog at SG. Fixes our defense (Nurk) issue and creates a fearsome frontcourt that goes inside and outside.

Jones
Beal
KD
Giannis
Nurk

I think if he demanded to come here, it's perfect fit.
Also IMO it's a fair trade straight up...


What would be the motivation for the Bucks? A Dame / Booker backcourt doesn't fit IMO. If the Bucks trade Giannis it will be for a total rebuild or for a star who has less overlap with Dame than Book.


It'd be a rebuild for them. Probably need to follow it up with a Dame trade. Probably to Miami or maybe even Houston.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#372 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Nov 1, 2024 2:01 am

Slim Charless wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
You guys are thinking too small:

Booker for Giannis.

Allows for a much better fit as now we don't have a backlog at SG. Fixes our defense (Nurk) issue and creates a fearsome frontcourt that goes inside and outside.

Jones
Beal
KD
Giannis
Nurk

I think if he demanded to come here, it's perfect fit.
Also IMO it's a fair trade straight up...


What would be the motivation for the Bucks? A Dame / Booker backcourt doesn't fit IMO. If the Bucks trade Giannis it will be for a total rebuild or for a star who has less overlap with Dame than Book.


It'd be a rebuild for them. Probably need to follow it up with a Dame trade. Probably to Miami or maybe even Houston.

Book is 28, he's absolutely a win now piece, especially at $55m a year
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#373 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Nov 1, 2024 5:19 am

How long til they fire Doc? Bucks are 1-4 now

Doc Rivers: “Our record is 1-3 and yet this team, you can feel it, we're close to taking off, And we know that. But we're not there. But we're close to it."
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#374 » by Crives » Fri Nov 1, 2024 5:29 am

Slim Charless wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
You guys are thinking too small:

Booker for Giannis.

Allows for a much better fit as now we don't have a backlog at SG. Fixes our defense (Nurk) issue and creates a fearsome frontcourt that goes inside and outside.

Jones
Beal
KD
Giannis
Nurk

I think if he demanded to come here, it's perfect fit.
Also IMO it's a fair trade straight up...


What would be the motivation for the Bucks? A Dame / Booker backcourt doesn't fit IMO. If the Bucks trade Giannis it will be for a total rebuild or for a star who has less overlap with Dame than Book.


It'd be a rebuild for them. Probably need to follow it up with a Dame trade. Probably to Miami or maybe even Houston.


Dunn for 3-4 1sts.

Beal + 4-5 first for Giannis. Giannis has to request trade here
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#375 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Nov 1, 2024 5:33 am

Crives wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
What would be the motivation for the Bucks? A Dame / Booker backcourt doesn't fit IMO. If the Bucks trade Giannis it will be for a total rebuild or for a star who has less overlap with Dame than Book.


It'd be a rebuild for them. Probably need to follow it up with a Dame trade. Probably to Miami or maybe even Houston.


Dunn for 3-4 1sts.

Beal + 4-5 first for Giannis. Giannis has to request trade here

Beal has to approve a trade to Milwaukee
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#376 » by Mr Puddles » Fri Nov 1, 2024 5:44 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Crives wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
It'd be a rebuild for them. Probably need to follow it up with a Dame trade. Probably to Miami or maybe even Houston.


Dunn for 3-4 1sts.

Beal + 4-5 first for Giannis. Giannis has to request trade here

Beal has to approve a trade to Milwaukee


Yeah THAT'S what's wrong with this trade proposal :lol:
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Post#377 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 1, 2024 7:07 pm

It's weird Allen is not shooting 3s. In other games he didn't touch it much, but in this one he was driving. I know his % last year is not sustainable, but I hope it wasn't a huge fluke. If so, he wasn't worth near his contract.

And if he can't hit 3s at a decent rate, I definitely agree about trying to trade him for a big.

Royce O'Neale is looking awesome now. I mean, he looks like a different player almost.

And overall, I think Plumlee is more consistent than Nurkic. Nurkic, I don't know. He will have a big game and then he's had a few crap games. He was ok.

Being that Nurkic only has 1 more year on his contract after this, I wouldn't mind trading him and Allen for a C, even if that C is vastly overpaid. Though if we can't trade more than one player at a time, then we could trade Allen for a C and just let Nurkic expire which would help us on the apron stuff.

Ideally we trade Nurkic. I'd love to get Steven Adams. He doesn't have as many skills as Nurkic, but always is #1 in the NBA by a long shot in offehsive rebounds and gives us physicality.

He expires, so I wonder how much he will get in the offseason, or if Houston would rather turn him into a C that is around for another season. I expect he will make more than the minimum next summer, but if we could get him for the minimum that would be nice.
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Post#378 » by Saberestar » Fri Nov 1, 2024 7:53 pm

bwgood77 wrote:It's weird Allen is not shooting 3s. In other games he didn't touch it much, but in this one he was driving. I know his % last year is not sustainable, but I hope it wasn't a huge fluke. If so, he wasn't worth near his contract.

And if he can't hit 3s at a decent rate, I definitely agree about trying to trade him for a big.

Royce O'Neale is looking awesome now. I mean, he looks like a different player almost.

And overall, I think Plumlee is more consistent than Nurkic. Nurkic, I don't know. He will have a big game and then he's had a few crap games. He was ok.

Being that Nurkic only has 1 more year on his contract after this, I wouldn't mind trading him and Allen for a C, even if that C is vastly overpaid. Though if we can't trade more than one player at a time, then we could trade Allen for a C and just let Nurkic expire which would help us on the apron stuff.

Ideally we trade Nurkic. I'd love to get Steven Adams. He doesn't have as many skills as Nurkic, but always is #1 in the NBA by a long shot in offehsive rebounds and gives us physicality.

He expires, so I wonder how much he will get in the offseason, or if Houston would rather turn him into a C that is around for another season. I expect he will make more than the minimum next summer, but if we could get him for the minimum that would be nice.

Steven Adams has been out a full year and he is a big unknown for now.

He is averaging 3 points and 2 boards so far this season, being a BIG guy at 31 after that huge injury...not sure if he is gonna play an important role in the NBA anymore.

I prefer Nurkic and Plumlee over him easily.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation 

Post#379 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Fri Nov 1, 2024 8:31 pm

bwgood77 wrote:It's weird Allen is not shooting 3s. In other games he didn't touch it much, but in this one he was driving. I know his % last year is not sustainable, but I hope it wasn't a huge fluke. If so, he wasn't worth near his contract.

And if he can't hit 3s at a decent rate, I definitely agree about trying to trade him for a big.


:D

I was wary of Buff Grayson after preseason. I know that with training, you can bulk up and retain your shooting ability, but when you're the best shooter in the league, why risk it? I'd rather have a redundant 2/3 guard who can play than a mediocre, undersized forward. Dude looks more like David Roddy than the guy we saw last season.

... Then again, he just had a baby. Might just have to give him a few months to recover the sleep he's surely lost.
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Post#380 » by Revived » Fri Nov 1, 2024 8:34 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:It's weird Allen is not shooting 3s. In other games he didn't touch it much, but in this one he was driving. I know his % last year is not sustainable, but I hope it wasn't a huge fluke. If so, he wasn't worth near his contract.

And if he can't hit 3s at a decent rate, I definitely agree about trying to trade him for a big.


:D

I was wary of Buff Grayson after preseason. I know that with training, you can bulk up and retain your shooting ability, but when you're the best shooter in the league, why risk it? I'd rather have a redundant 2/3 guard who can play than a mediocre, undersized forward. Dude looks more like David Roddy than the guy we saw last season.

... Then again, he just had a baby. Might just have to give him a few months to recover the sleep he's surely lost.

If he just had a baby, the sleep loss hasn’t happened yet, it’s coming.

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