The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3

[Tha Cynic]

His points per dribble must be off the charts. There's no wasted movements or dribbles with him.

Minus the defense, he's the player I would have loved to be.

Honestly, even his defence isn't awful, it's definitely not good, but I expected worse. His positioning has been improved and he seems to be reading the game better. I still think he ends up as a neutral defender within a couple years, which if he can continue refining his offensive game, will be nuts.

I thought my expectation of Gradey had gone though the roof!
After reading the last few pages of this thread I guess I would be considered a pessimist in comparison.

Last season I thought at best we were getting a Kapono / Korver / Kennard bench shooter as an absolute ceiling, now I am seeing a Joe Harris / Joe Ingles sort of player who can potentially start and do a few other things on the floor for you.

Not quite at Franz yet but check on me in a month.

I'll keep saying it until I go hoarse, him and Scottie can be our poor mans Jokic/Murray.

He is extremely smart. Even when he was playing like crap in the first few months of his professional career, you could tell he had a very high IQ and he understood where he needed to be. That anticipation is going to make him a better defender.

[LiSTWithLani]

Does anybody have a player comparison on here for Gradey?

I see some Allan Houston / Reggie Miller / Chandler Parsons in him.

I'm interested to hear what others think he may become or already is.

[OakleyDokely]

Does anybody have a player comparison on here for Gradey?

I see some Allan Houston / Reggie Miller / Chandler Parsons in him.

I'm interested to hear what others think he may become or already is.

Offensively, I think the play style is similar to Klay. Very decisive scorers with much of the production coming off 2 dribbles or less.

[Psubs]

Does anybody have a player comparison on here for Gradey?

I see some Allan Houston / Reggie Miller / Chandler Parsons in him.

I'm interested to hear what others think he may become or already is.

I've made the Reggie Miller comp, with also shooting 90% FTs. Dick looks like he can be a stronger version of Reggie which would be HOF potential ceiling.

[dagger]

Does anybody have a player comparison on here for Gradey?

I see some Allan Houston / Reggie Miller / Chandler Parsons in him.

I'm interested to hear what others think he may become or already is.

I've talked about Klay Thompson Lite, but Gradey's early mastery of the mid-range in support of his distance shooting suggests more Devin Booker to me. Both were 13th overall picks, play the same position, are basically the same height and weight. And Booker is an all-star, a career 36% 3 pt shooter, 87% FT shooter who masters the mid-range game.

Another oddity: They both wear #1

[anotherhomer]

i think, it's more klay thompson or reggie millers, off-ball players who don't dribble a lot it feels

but i could be wrong

[TDots97]

Does anybody have a player comparison on here for Gradey?

I see some Allan Houston / Reggie Miller / Chandler Parsons in him.

I'm interested to hear what others think he may become or already is.

I've talked about Klay Thompson Lite, but Gradey's early mastery of the mid-range in support of his distance shooting suggests more Devin Booker to me. Both were 13th overall picks, play the same position, are basically the same height and weight. And Booker is an all-star, a career 36% 3 pt shooter, 87% FT shooter who masters the mid-range game.

Another oddity: They both wear #1

Idk about the Devin Booker comparison, DBook can get his own in iso and is more of a 6-dribble type of guy. Gradey is more of a 3-dribble guy who gets his shots off of off-ball movement and screens. A Prime Klay Thompson with slightly below average D is his ceiling I think, which is still pretty dang good.

[anotherhomer]

Does anybody have a player comparison on here for Gradey?

I see some Allan Houston / Reggie Miller / Chandler Parsons in him.

I'm interested to hear what others think he may become or already is.

I've talked about Klay Thompson Lite, but Gradey's early mastery of the mid-range in support of his distance shooting suggests more Devin Booker to me. Both were 13th overall picks, play the same position, are basically the same height and weight. And Booker is an all-star, a career 36% 3 pt shooter, 87% FT shooter who masters the mid-range game.

Another oddity: They both wear #1

Idk about the Devin Booker comparison, DBook can get his own in iso and is more of a 6-dribble type of guy. Gradey is more of a 3-dribble guy who gets his shots off of off-ball movement and screens. A Prime Klay Thompson with slightly below average D is his ceiling I think, which is still pretty dang good.

i say prolly reggie miller lite, or klay thompson lite...
a guy who average 17 pts a game, peaks at 20 pts...that's a good get for 13th overall pick

i see that he's working on his on-ball scoring, to score off pick and rolls which shows some potential

[tsherkin]

i say prolly reggie miller lite, or klay thompson lite...
a guy who average 17 pts a game, peaks at 20 pts...that's a good get for 13th overall pick

i see that he's working on his on-ball scoring, to score off pick and rolls which shows some potential

I'd be fairly happy if he was a high-efficiency guy who brought like 16-18 ppg with a little versatility to his offense. Needs a bit more rebounding but he's looking quite promising.

[Dalek]

Does anybody have a player comparison on here for Gradey?

I see some Allan Houston / Reggie Miller / Chandler Parsons in him.

I'm interested to hear what others think he may become or already is.

I've made the Reggie Miller comp, with also shooting 90% FTs. Dick looks like he can be a stronger version of Reggie which would be HOF potential ceiling.

Stylistically I came to the same conclusion. Both are slight players who operate well off screens but can create a little bit and have the microwave scoring instinct. Can Dick be as clutch as Reggie? He has to shed that goody nice kid mentality and just be a killer.

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[Basketball_Jones]

I’d probably take Gradey over Podz and Lively I just think he has more potential and both of those guys are closer to their ceilings already imo.

We're 5 games into year 2.
The discussion is fun and all but you'd be crazy to give up on some of these guys already just cause Gradey looks good

Edit: I quoted the wrong message but yeah same point lol

Oh no doubt Podz and Lively are better players now than Dick. I just like Dicks potential more and he’s already starting to catch up.

[HumbleRen]

Need Gradey to give me more than the GTJ statline.

Get them boards and assists up, I know you can pass well.

[ForeverTFC]

I know you didn't ask me, but I like these exercises.

I can confidently say that the following players would go above him, keeping in mind that there will still be a bet on potential: Wemby, Miller, Scoot, Amen, Ausar, Coulibaly, Wallace, Lively, Podz. So at best, he's going 10th. I think you can have a real debate between him and Black, George, Podz, Jaquez, Whitmore.

With that said, if you asked who I personally would take over him based on play so far, the list gets shorter. For me, it would be Wemby, Miller, Amen, Coulibaly, Wallace, Lively. This would put him as high as 7.

Wemby - Agreed
Miller - Agreed
Scoot - Nopes, Gradey has definitely been better. Numbers back that up.
Amen - Can't shoot.
Ausar - Blood clot issues (yikes!)
Coulibaly - Agreed.
Wallace - Neck & neck
Lively - Has the luxury of playing w/ Luka and has the easiest looks at the basket
Podz - Horrendous start to the season

(Side note: I like the Thompson twins a lot but their inability to shoot is a great concern)

Gradey is averaging near 14ppg on 46/40/86 splits in his last 37 games. Guys like Wallace and Podz don't even come close to those numbers in that same sample size.

With that being said....

I'd have it:
1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Coulibaly
4. Dick
5. Lively

Not to mention, our of all these guys, Gradey has shown the greatest improvement and is on a clear uptrend.

Ya, that's my 3 before Dick. Though really soon, it might just be Wemby as Dick gets stronger.

That's crazy talk man. I'm a homer but this is next level homer take . I respect it though.

We're still trying to figure out if Dick can work in a starting lineup. Miller, Coulubaly and Lively have shown all-star potential already. Amen is crazy good and his positional versatility is insane. He's just buried a little bit in Houston but he was balling when Sengun was out, essentially playing C. And I honestly believe Cason can be everything Suggs is and more if he was given the same opportunity based on the sample size we have.

Maybe you can talk me into Dick above Ausuar for injury reasons and Scoot who I wasn't a big fan of to begin with, I think the only 4 that a majority might agree to drop below dick are: Howard, Hendricks, Walker and MAYBE Black. I do think given the body of work, Podz goes higher more often than not, but I probably take Gradey's potential. Whitmore is still anyone's guess.

[ForeverTFC]

Need Gradey to give me more than the GTJ statline.

Get them boards and assists up, I know you can pass well.

To be fair, he's got no one to pass it to right now. GTJ was playing with Scottie, FVV, Siakam, and OG and still couldn't find them.

[Scase]

Minus the defense, he's the player I would have loved to be.

Honestly, even his defence isn't awful, it's definitely not good, but I expected worse. His positioning has been improved and he seems to be reading the game better. I still think he ends up as a neutral defender within a couple years, which if he can continue refining his offensive game, will be nuts.

I thought my expectation of Gradey had gone though the roof!
After reading the last few pages of this thread I guess I would be considered a pessimist in comparison.

Last season I thought at best we were getting a Kapono / Korver / Kennard bench shooter as an absolute ceiling, now I am seeing a Joe Harris / Joe Ingles sort of player who can potentially start and do a few other things on the floor for you.

Not quite at Franz yet but check on me in a month.

I'll keep saying it until I go hoarse, him and Scottie can be our poor mans Jokic/Murray.

He is extremely smart. Even when he was playing like crap in the first few months of his professional career, you could tell he had a very high IQ and he understood where he needed to be. That anticipation is going to make him a better defender.

Yep, that's why I think he can manage to be a neutral defender at worst once he gets his body to an NBA level, and adjusts to the speed of the game. He understands opposing defences extremely well, which means the inverse should apply. He doesn't have the greatest physical tools, but being in the right place at the right time can cover for a lot of that. He's not gonna be getting any all defence selections, but if his offence is anything like we've been seeing recently, thats a massive + player even with so-so defence.

I suspect he supplants RJ at some point in the pecking order, and then inevitably leads to a trade.

[Yeezus_]

Need Gradey to give me more than the GTJ statline.

Get them boards and assists up, I know you can pass well.

It'll get there in time. Trent couldn't finish around the rim. Gradey looks like he can with traffic too.

Thinking about Trent driving to the rim on a 2v1 fastbreak still bothers me lol.

[anotherhomer]

Need Gradey to give me more than the GTJ statline.

Get them boards and assists up, I know you can pass well.

It'll get there in time. Trent couldn't finish around the rim. Gradey looks like he can with traffic too.

Thinking about Trent driving to the rim on a 2v1 fastbreak still bothers me lol.

what's important is that Gradey is a movement shooter.
GTJ can shoot better off the dribble which is important though

[manjusaka]

He is still need better conditioning on the defensive end, and shooting range. I still want to see him having a better consistency on the 3s.

[tsherkin]

He is still need better conditioning on the defensive end, and shooting range. I still want to see him having a better consistency on the 3s.

Oooof, yeah. He's shot 33.3% or worse in all but one game so far from 3. The season is young, the sample is small, of course. And last year, he shot almost 37%. But not an awesome start on that front. Looking good in several other ways though.

[pilkoids]

Does anybody have a player comparison on here for Gradey?

I see some Allan Houston / Reggie Miller / Chandler Parsons in him.

I'm interested to hear what others think he may become or already is.

I watched those guys play and none of them had the layup package/agility/body control Gradey has shown. I really think he can be a Manu Ginobli type player on offense