Bears 8.0: Matt Eberflus FIRED

[patryk7754]

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Flus is toast.

I think a more interesting question to a player would be:

Does this team have faith in Ryan Poles?

Of course a player can't answer that with anything other than "Yes!"...but that question should be floating out there.

Its a bad look, but I think it sounds worse than it is. I think Moore just talks like that. Very aloof. But that was a low effort defense against the cardinals. Thats a sign of loosing your team.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I was and will always be anti-Fields.

Not mentioned really Fields used to scramble to pick up 1st downs and more - he was looking to run because he got tunnel vision and can’t find guys open. Fields made our rushing attack look better than it was.

Caleb scrambles to find guys open which long term will be better for him as a QB but that’s going to come with a lot of growing pains apparently.

[panthermark]

DJ Moore seems like an iffy intangibles guy honestly.

I want Flus out but Moore doesn't seem like captain material.

I don't think his intangibles are iffy. I think that is just his personality. You don't hear about him getting in trouble off the field or loafing in practice or anything like that.

He is one of the teams best players by far, and not a "bad" guy, but to your point, he really isn't your typical "rally the troops" type captain that is going to give a fiery speech in the locker room and circle the wagons against the media. He leads by busting his ass and staying out of trouble.

[dougthonus]

Last week Caleb was pressured constantly against statistically one of the worst pass rushes in the entire NFL. This week Arizona had 6 sacks on us. They only had 8 sacks the entire season before that! That should definitely tell you where we stand. And it’s not middle of the pack offensive line. Now with the potential injuries, things might get even worse.

The injuries are definitely a factor. We were probably low average prior to them and are now probably one of the bottom groups in the league. I think the line performance is worse this year (which makes sense given it was a similar to worse caliber line as the previous year and then we've lost guys).

[chitownsports4ever]

1. Trade off win-now vets (Allen)
2. Be kind of bad this year.
3. Fire Flus and hire Ben Johnson
4. Add three top 40 draft picks to the roster (Bears 1st/2nd + CAR 1st)
5. Spend in Free Agency
6. Make Playoffs next season


The Bears remain in a great spot imo.

I dont see how Poles can fire Flus because I would expect they promised him that he wouldn't because throwing a rookie starting QB into a a coaches 3rds year pretty much guarantees a losing season.

This was 100% the reason why a lot of people wanted him gonna if they were drafting Caleb because the rookie QB was gonna be essentially a pseudo extension and with our previous history it pretty much guaranteed that .

Ben Johnson would be a great hire but do you think he touches this team with Poles basically being on the hotseat ?

Fields 10-28 record turned into Flus 14-28 record and the moment he is gone it becomes Poles 14-28+ record and a essentially must win heading into year 4.

laughed out loud at "they promised him that he wouldn't"

If that's Poles approach then he should be fired too

Im just saying this was year 3 for Flus you dont think that he asked for certain assurances about job security this year if the goal was to bring in a rookie QB and have him start from day one ?

[TheSuzerain]

I dont see how Poles can fire Flus because I would expect they promised him that he wouldn't because throwing a rookie starting QB into a a coaches 3rds year pretty much guarantees a losing season.

This was 100% the reason why a lot of people wanted him gonna if they were drafting Caleb because the rookie QB was gonna be essentially a pseudo extension and with our previous history it pretty much guaranteed that .

Ben Johnson would be a great hire but do you think he touches this team with Poles basically being on the hotseat ?

Fields 10-28 record turned into Flus 14-28 record and the moment he is gone it becomes Poles 14-28+ record and a essentially must win heading into year 4.

laughed out loud at "they promised him that he wouldn't"

If that's Poles approach then he should be fired too

Im just saying this was year 3 for Flus you dont think that he asked for certain assurances about job security this year if the goal was to bring in a rookie QB and have him start from day one ?

Maybe he asked for them. They should not have been granted.

Perform and you keep your job.

[Kurt Heimlich]

Since I wanted Harbaugh and he was such an obvious "level up" HC candidate this past offseason, I can't help but wonder where we'd be with him (and whichever OC he chose, surely wouldnt have been sugar shane)? 5-3? 6-2? There's no scenario where we'd be worse off with Harbaugh over Flus right now, right? Maybe Harbaugh didnt want the Bears. Maybe ownership told Poles they aren't paying two HC contracts. Or maybe Poles is just a weak GM when it comes to these kind of decisions.

[Stratmaster]

I've said it every week for the last 2 seasons. The Bears will never go anywhere with Flus as head coach. Every week they are the least disciplined and least prepared team on the field.

[dougthonus]

Im just saying this was year 3 for Flus you dont think that he asked for certain assurances about job security this year if the goal was to bring in a rookie QB and have him start from day one ?

What does it matter what Flus asked for? Assurances are given in contract extensions, and thus far he wasn't given one.

What leverage does Flus have in this situation to demand anything (including another year on the job)? Was he going to say "no, I won't start Caleb Williams"?

Poles will decide whether he likes Flus or not in the off-season (or earlier if things get really bad) but there's literally no reason to think we're tied to the guy. The most likely time a coach is fired is when they are about to enter a lame duck season.

[Dresden]

I've said it every week for the last 2 seasons. The Bears will never go anywhere with Flus as head coach. Every week they are the least disciplined and least prepared team on the field.

I don't think that has been the case in the games they've won this year. Or during the preseason, when they went 4-0. In all of those wins, they looked like the better team, and the better coached team.

[panthermark]

I was and will always be anti-Fields.

Not mentioned really Fields used to scramble to pick up 1st downs and more - he was looking to run because he got tunnel vision and can’t find guys open. Fields made our rushing attack look better than it was.

Caleb scrambles to find guys open which long term will be better for him as a QB but that’s going to come with a lot of growing pains apparently.

I will always be pro-Fields.
While I agree with your assessment at a high level, I think it ignores a lot of the details that lead up the discussion in the first place.

*I think we've all seen enough this season to agree that poor pass protection leads to poor results. CW scrambles to throw, but has still been sacked 29 times in 8 games. At a certain point, you get shell shocked.

*It has not really been talked about enough here, but Getsy getting fired after only 9 games in Vegas is a HUGE indictment on just how bad of an OC he was. And that was they guy leading Fields. Say what you want about Waldron, but it is now confirmed that Luke is a certified bum.

*If CW had the same skill position players at Fields had last year, the talk would be about how Chicago blew it because CW is the next Bryce Young while JD is the next Stroud. I like Mooney, but if CW had Mooney, Foreman and Clayfool instead of Odunze, Allen and Swift, he would look like hot garbage.
If Fields had the skill position players last year that CW has today, do they win 2 more games? Does Odunze come down with the deep ball against the Detroit that Scott stutter stepped on and missed by his finger tips? Does Allen come down with the hail mary against Baltimore instead of it hitting him in the gut and kicking it to the defender? Hell, does Everett catch the deep ball that landed perfectly in Tonyan paws?

Fields flaws are still his flaws, but with better coaching and talent (both were subpar while he was here) his growth may not have been stunted as much.

I think CW has a higher ceiling, but it is clear that stuff does not matter right now with bad playcalling and a poor O-line. CW is finding it harder to do what he did in college right now.

[Almost Retired]

Taking bets....Will Eberflus be fired after getting embarrassed by the Packers again or after getting embarrassed on national tv against the Lions on Thanksgiviing?

I don't see the Bears firing Flus during the season. But if we stay on the current trajectory then I think they dump his ass as soon as the season is over. I certainly hope so. He's in over his head.

[panthermark]

Why does Kmet only have 1 target in his last two games? Is that on CW or Shane?
Young QB's should LIVE on easy completions to TE's.
More swing, screen and dump-offs to Swift and RoJo.

Shane is reminding me of Getsy now. He has to be told how what to change, he then makes an adjustment, but goes back to his old ways after a few weeks.

As far as passes to WR's, I am not sure what is up with CW's accuracy. It is...inconsistent.

[Chi town]

DJ Moore seems like an iffy intangibles guy honestly.

I want Flus out but Moore doesn't seem like captain material.

I don't think his intangibles are iffy. I think that is just his personality. You don't hear about him getting in trouble off the field or loafing in practice or anything like that.

He is one of the teams best players by far, and not a "bad" guy, but to your point, he really isn't your typical "rally the troops" type captain that is going to give a fiery speech in the locker room and circle the wagons against the media. He leads by busting his ass and staying out of trouble.

Yep. I think DJ is weak mentally not tough. He needs the ball to be engaged and if he doesn’t get it he floats. Makes no impact. Brings no energy. He needs to be led. He’s not a leader.

[Chi town]

Taking bets....Will Eberflus be fired after getting embarrassed by the Packers again or after getting embarrassed on national tv against the Lions on Thanksgiviing?

I don't see the Bears firing Flus during the season. But if we stay on the current trajectory then I think they dump his ass as soon as the season is over. I certainly hope so. He's in over his head.

Lame McCaskey’s never fire coaches in season.

I’d fire Flus and Waldron. Have Wash coach team and D.

[CBS7]

The real problem is we beat some crap teams early and gave a lot of fans false hope thanks to a piss easy schedule. In reality, this is a 7-10 team that is a couple years and/or a coach away from being truly competitive. That's not really a big problem as the overall outlook is positive, outside the coaching issues. We have Caleb who is promising, we have a good cap situation, and most/all of our future picks and what should be a very high extra second rounder.

[Chi town]

Since I wanted Harbaugh and he was such an obvious "level up" HC candidate this past offseason, I can't help but wonder where we'd be with him (and whichever OC he chose, surely wouldnt have been sugar shane)? 5-3? 6-2? There's no scenario where we'd be worse off with Harbaugh over Flus right now, right? Maybe Harbaugh didnt want the Bears. Maybe ownership told Poles they aren't paying two HC contracts. Or maybe Poles is just a weak GM when it comes to these kind of decisions.

Harbaugh was always my pick. A real football coach. Tough. Winner. Leader.

We have a nice guy that coaches not to lose instead of to win.

[Chi town]

Jeff painting the picture like only he can. No better writer on the Bears. So glad the video Schmitz guy is gone.

https://www.dabearsblog.com/2024/inbetween#more-37852

[Stratmaster]

I've said it every week for the last 2 seasons. The Bears will never go anywhere with Flus as head coach. Every week they are the least disciplined and least prepared team on the field.

I don't think that has been the case in the games they've won this year. Or during the preseason, when they went 4-0. In all of those wins, they looked like the better team, and the better coached team.

They are the worst q1 team in the league. That speaks to preparation. They are constantly getting stupid penalties. That speaks to discipline. Those things also happened in their wins.

Allowing the hail mary, and then yesterday the TD run to end the half, also speaks to discipline. They were asleep at the wheel both plays and it cost them 2 games.

There is no defense for either Flus or Waldron that carries any weight. They have managed to sabotage a promising season. It's also obvious the players don't think much of them.

[panthermark]

Check my math:
We are halfway through the 3rd year of the Flus regime and neither the OC (Luke Getsy) or DC (Alan Williams) that Flus originally hired are currently employed in the NFL?

Is that correct?
If so, what does that say about Flus?