Bears 8.0: Matt Eberflus FIRED

burlydee · Post #481 » by **burlydee** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:01 pm

Poles can't evaluate talent. Flus can't coach. Clean house before they ruin Caleb's career.

patryk7754 · Post #482 » by **patryk7754** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:02 pm

panthermark wrote:Yeah, that was some great two minute work there. Really worth it.

Poles
Flus
Waldron

All should be gone by Monday.

Poles is OL from building one of the best rosters in the NFL. The OL is 100% on him and a major mark but that shouldn't negate everything else he's done. He's the reason we have williams. He's done a lot more good than bad. And i'm not putting all the blame on him for coaching either. I'm 100% convinced ownership had more say in keeping him than we know

Does he deserve harsh criticism for putting that OL out? Yes. But wanting to get rid of him makes no sense to me

patryk7754 · Post #483 » by **patryk7754** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:04 pm

burlydee wrote:Poles can't evaluate talent.

Unless you are specifically talking OL, this is objectively false. He's done a great job of draft, especially in the mid-late rounds. And he's signed great FAs. And acquired great talent via trades.

CROBulls · Post #484 » by **CROBulls** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:04 pm

Almost Retired wrote:No coaching change mid season is going to have any positive effect. Let Flus and the rest of the staff lose out for the rest of the year and fire them all on the plane home from Green Bay on January 5th.

Why waste season and destroy mental confidence of this players, specially our young QB by keeping terrible coach who clearly lost a team. You fire him so you dont see players quit and underperfom rest of season. Anyone who played sports at any level knows, that coach who lost a lockeroom should not come back there.

Eberflus if he was anything but fraud would himself walk away without being fired due losing lockeroom.

Post #485 » by **fleet** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:05 pm

panthermark wrote:
HoopsterJones wrote:Poles wasted a 4th rounder for Keenan Allen. And Ryan Bates.

Allen should have been traded at the deadline. It was STUPID not to do so.

If any decent O-lineman or draft pick was on the table, monumental stupidity. And someone wanted to give up a pick for Velus too. WTF is Poles doing

HoopsterJones · Post #486 » by **HoopsterJones** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:05 pm

It’s going to be impossible to fix the O Line mid season. But they have to protect Caleb from injury at least for the rest of the season.

panthermark · Post #487 » by **panthermark** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:06 pm

patryk7754 wrote:
panthermark wrote:Yeah, that was some great two minute work there. Really worth it.

Poles
Flus
Waldron

All should be gone by Monday.

Poles is OL from building one of the best rosters in the NFL. The OL is 100% on him and a major mark but that shouldn't negate everything else he's done. He's the reason we have williams. He's done a lot more good than bad. And i'm not putting all the blame on him for coaching either. I'm 100% convinced ownership had more say in keeping him than we know

No, the reason we have Williams is Lovie Smith (for the last second win) and David Tepper (for having his heart set on Young, regardless of his staff thought).

And as of right now, having Williams does not mean a whole lot.

Kurt Heimlich · Post #488 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:06 pm

Poles flus and waldron are obvious failures. The unearned nepotistic aura of this franchise is so much to overcome. I wish we weren't subject to these legacy oligarchs like the mccaskeys in American sport.

TheSuzerain · Post #489 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:07 pm

patryk7754 wrote:
burlydee wrote:Poles can't evaluate talent.

Unless you are specifically talking OL, this is objectively false. He's done a great job of draft, especially in the mid-late rounds. And he's signed great FAs. And acquired great talent via trades.

Wright pick looks iffy. Stevenson pick too.

Claypool and Allen not seeming like great trade targets.

Nate Davis a complete dud of a signing.

panthermark · Post #490 » by **panthermark** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:07 pm

fleet wrote:
panthermark wrote:
HoopsterJones wrote:Poles wasted a 4th rounder for Keenan Allen. And Ryan Bates.

Allen should have been traded at the deadline. It was STUPID not to do so.

If any decent O-lineman or draft pick was on the table, monumental stupidity. And someone wanted to give up a pick for Velus too. WTF is Poles doing

Yes, not trading VJJ for pick when offered, only to cut him 2 months later is horrible GM'ing.

patryk7754 · Post #491 » by **patryk7754** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:10 pm

panthermark wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:
panthermark wrote:Yeah, that was some great two minute work there. Really worth it.

Poles
Flus
Waldron

All should be gone by Monday.

Poles is OL from building one of the best rosters in the NFL. The OL is 100% on him and a major mark but that shouldn't negate everything else he's done. He's the reason we have williams. He's done a lot more good than bad. And i'm not putting all the blame on him for coaching either. I'm 100% convinced ownership had more say in keeping him than we know

No, the reason we have Williams is Lovie Smith (for the last second win) and David Tepper (for having his heart set on Young, regardless of his staff thought).

I guess sure, but poles still took advantage of it and made an amazing move. A move that a lot of people (including people on this board) were calling the greatest trade of all time.

Kurt Heimlich · Post #492 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:13 pm

I hope we don't skip over Poles. Time to talk to warren. Flus and waldron are so obviously terrible it's just bears being bears with this pussyfooting lack of leadership. Poles failures are MOUNTING

panthermark · Post #493 » by **panthermark** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:13 pm

patryk7754 wrote:
panthermark wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:Poles is OL from building one of the best rosters in the NFL. The OL is 100% on him and a major mark but that shouldn't negate everything else he's done. He's the reason we have williams. He's done a lot more good than bad. And i'm not putting all the blame on him for coaching either. I'm 100% convinced ownership had more say in keeping him than we know

No, the reason we have Williams is Lovie Smith (for the last second win) and David Tepper (for having his heart set on Young, regardless of his staff thought).

I guess sure, but poles still took advantage of it and made an amazing move. A move that a lot of people (including people on this board) were calling the greatest trade of all time.

I think it was a great trade, and he has been living off the rep of that trade ever since.

Post #494 » by **fleet** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:15 pm

Ben Johnson: Get me in there!

patryk7754 · Post #495 » by **patryk7754** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:15 pm

fleet wrote:
panthermark wrote:
HoopsterJones wrote:Poles wasted a 4th rounder for Keenan Allen. And Ryan Bates.

Allen should have been traded at the deadline. It was STUPID not to do so.

If any decent O-lineman or draft pick was on the table, monumental stupidity. And someone wanted to give up a pick for Velus too. WTF is Poles doing

Yea, poles has done a lot on inexcusable things, when it comes to addressing the OL. I still like the Allen trade but he probably should have been traded at the deadline. I won't completely criticize that until allen leaves. I don't care about the 4th for Bates. At least it was an attempt to improve the line. And in the very limited time he's played, I think you can say he's been our best lineman.

But Poles needs to stop pussyfooting around making the OL better and go all in. High draft picks and a lot of cap spaced use. If he doesn't do that, then he needs to be fired. I still think its too premature to say he needs to be gone after this season. He's acquired way too much talent for me to be comfortable with firing him.

if we do though, we need to get someone from the Lions. That front office has almost done a flawless job since getting there

Post #496 » by **fleet** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:16 pm

patryk7754 wrote:
panthermark wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:Poles is OL from building one of the best rosters in the NFL. The OL is 100% on him and a major mark but that shouldn't negate everything else he's done. He's the reason we have williams. He's done a lot more good than bad. And i'm not putting all the blame on him for coaching either. I'm 100% convinced ownership had more say in keeping him than we know

No, the reason we have Williams is Lovie Smith (for the last second win) and David Tepper (for having his heart set on Young, regardless of his staff thought).

I guess sure, but poles still took advantage of it and made an amazing move. A move that a lot of people (including people on this board) were calling the greatest trade of all time.

If they don’t get a quarterback out of it, if you’re ruining a quarterback, no chance.

patryk7754 · Post #497 » by **patryk7754** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:18 pm

panthermark wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:
panthermark wrote:
No, the reason we have Williams is Lovie Smith (for the last second win) and David Tepper (for having his heart set on Young, regardless of his staff thought).

I guess sure, but poles still took advantage of it and made an amazing move. A move that a lot of people (including people on this board) were calling the greatest trade of all time.

I think it was a great trade, and he has been living off the rep of that trade ever since.

What about the elite defense he's put together? on pretty friendly deals. whether you like the trade or not, he got an All pro Wr coming of his best season ever for the 4th. Swift has been pretty good despite a horrid game plan. He's put together an elite roster outside of OL. and I don't want to minimize that at all. Big knock against Poles. But he should get his own coach and one more year to make the OL an NFL caliber line

patryk7754 · Post #498 » by **patryk7754** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:23 pm

fleet wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:
panthermark wrote:
No, the reason we have Williams is Lovie Smith (for the last second win) and David Tepper (for having his heart set on Young, regardless of his staff thought).

I guess sure, but poles still took advantage of it and made an amazing move. A move that a lot of people (including people on this board) were calling the greatest trade of all time.

If they don’t get a quarterback out of it, if you’re ruining a quarterback, no chance.

He got the QB. the QB a lot of pro evaluators called the greatest prospect of all time. I think its too soon to say they are ruining Williams. Warren and ownership deserves a lot of blame for coaching as well. Maybe I'm giving Poles too much of a pass for coaching, but I don't think its reasonable to give him the bulk of the blame for HC i don't really consider his.

Post #499 » by **fleet** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:23 pm

patryk7754 wrote:
panthermark wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:I guess sure, but poles still took advantage of it and made an amazing move. A move that a lot of people (including people on this board) were calling the greatest trade of all time.

I think it was a great trade, and he has been living off the rep of that trade ever since.

What about the elite defense he's put together? on pretty friendly deals. whether you like the trade or not, he got an All pro Wr coming of his best season ever for the 4th. Swift has been pretty good despite a horrid game plan. He's put together an elite roster outside of OL. and I don't want to minimize that at all. Big knock against Poles. But he should get his own coach and one more year to make the OL an NFL caliber line

Serious question, why would you trust Poles to do these 2 things with his record so far?

The defense? Only a Bears GM would build around a defense with a “generational” QB prospect on board. Totally on the wrong foot. This guy is searching for defensive ends for Christ’s sake.

Post #500 » by **fleet** » Sun Nov 10, 2024 9:27 pm

patryk7754 wrote:
fleet wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:I guess sure, but poles still took advantage of it and made an amazing move. A move that a lot of people (including people on this board) were calling the greatest trade of all time.

If they don’t get a quarterback out of it, if you’re ruining a quarterback, no chance.

He got the QB. the QB a lot of pro evaluators called the greatest prospect of all time. I think its too soon to say they are ruining Williams. Warren and ownership deserves a lot of blame for coaching as well. Maybe I'm giving Poles too much of a pass for coaching, but I don't think its reasonable to give him the bulk of the blame for HC i don't really consider his.

Heeeelll nah. Poles doubled down on Eberflus last year. And in the offseason. If Eberflus and or Waldron isn’t fired now?