PG Celtics - Bucks Fade

[TroyD92]

Letting Giannis have any influence on decisions that don't include the 15th roster spot for his brother should never be a thing.

[Matches Malone]

Owners need to stop meddling and Horst needs to be fired who it best option out there to overhaul our front office

Tim Connelly's 1 year extension is up after the season.

[Bernman]

Please lose to the Raptors. Got to kill off Doc as coach finally. Can't have another fool's gold game like Utah.

[msiris]

I don’t see how you can compare Jrue and Dame when Jrue gets to sit in the corner all game and make simple reads when the defense is in rotation.

Jrue wasn't answer either. People seem to forget that he wasn't that good in the playoffs. Well Dame needs to go as well.

[BUCKnation]

In a good development, rollins really recovered from getting cooked by pritchard. He made some special defensive plays in the 2nd half during his time.

[fan230]

Giannis is so much better than every Celtic. Unfortunately, Dame is a joke of a player. Simply pathetically uncompetitive.

Seems an appropriate thing to say; very disappointed in Dame. His defense is bad. His offense is great only when his 3s fall. He cannot break down interior defenses and create easy plays for others. Best is to trade him while he has high trade value.

[BUCKnation]

Not defending dame from this one, he was bad and his shot was shockingly off, but do you guys have amnesia about some of the statlines jrue put up as a second option against the celtics?

8/20
7/20
11/30
5/22
9/24
7/17
9/21

[SupremeHustle]

Cool seeing Jrue praying with the guys

*Praying FOR the guys.

[msiris]

Great game by Green.
Rollins and Jackson also were totally decent.

Green was really good. Strong, intense, smart. Elite shot making. Keeps his man in front of him. Everything we need.

He needs to expand his game more. Would like to have more people who can break down the d.

[rilamann]

as bad as dame looked, I'm not sure jrue makes us materially better as #2. Just extremely disappointing we got someone like Dame and he immediately becomes cooked.

Bucks would be better if you swapped Dame for Jrue. I don't know if the Bucks would necessarily be contenders with Jrue, but they would be a top # 5 seed. Maybe the #5 seed, but they would be top #5 IMO. And currently wouldn't sit at 2-9 or whatever their record is now lol.

For the record, I don't think the Bucks would be contenders with Jrue right now.

It's just ironic to me that Jrue is an underrated winner and is 110% pure class as a human being. Dame on the other hand is easily one of the most overrated players in NBA history and they were traded for each other. I just think that is ironic and I would think it was hilarious if I wasn't a Bucks fan. And for the record on that, I thought Dame was pretty overrated long before he was a Buck.

Dame has nights where he looks good when he hits a bunch of 3's and the logo 3's make for really cool highlights. But I just don't think he's a winning player over the course of an 8 month NBA season. I used to always get into heated debates with a friend of mine over this around 2018, 2019 when Dame was really hyped up. He loves Dame and I would tell him pretty much what I just said about Dame in this post. Great individual offensive talent, the logo 3's look really cool. But not a winning player.

And I don't think Dame magically became cooked or washed during his plane flight from Portland to Milwaukee.

Dame has looked like he wants absolutely no part of being in Milwaukee from the moment he got here.

And if you have watched basketball for 30+ years, you can tell Dame is not cooked. His head and heart isn't in it. He doesn't want to be in Milwaukee, he never did.

Think about it, a month before we traded for Dame, Dame and his agent literally got a memo from the league warning them that they were about to get fined for trying to force their way to Miami. Then he ends up in Milwaukee. He's not cooked, he is disgruntled because he's in Milwaukee and not Miami.

[WeMajor34]

The moral victories crowd is slowly showing themselves out the door.

Dame was awful. Giannis’ 2nd half was frustrating. Our bigs aren’t good. No organization on offense. The defense and overall hustle was pathetic at times.

AJ Green was the lone bright spot. He needs to start.

[MickeyDavis]

Owners ego getting in way of firing Doc, time to clean house. Dame trade was a bad move, the move was always look to cash out Bobby or pat for a gunner wing or athletic big.

Disagree. They fired a championship coach. And fired his replacement in his first year. I don't know if Doc will be fired but ego has nothing to do with the decision. Edens and the other owners didn't get rich being complacent.

[drone3]

Trade Dame and hand Rollins the keys

[Ron Swanson]

The Jrue love is hilarious after everyone wanted him gone after Jimmy torched him in the playoffs.

Uh, not me. Dame trade at the time seemed great. But I’ve never been on the “it wuz Jrue’s fault” train.

Dude, your Dame agenda is getting embarrassing at this point. Jrue’s a great player but he was absolutely a massive reason for our playoff failures during his time here. The window was slammed shut if we maxed him out and stuck with this same roster. Two picks, a swap, and Grayson’s salary weren’t yielding a player that was gonna change the outcome here.

[LUKE23]

Rivers and missing Middleton are both far bigger issues than Dame. There should be way more anger directed towards the owners and Middleton than Dame, easily.

[msiris]

as bad as dame looked, I'm not sure jrue makes us materially better as #2. Just extremely disappointing we got someone like Dame and he immediately becomes cooked.

27 ppg, 4 rebs, and 6 assist is cooked. Bucks need more cooked guys.

Now do Westbrook’s stats from some of his seasons.

It doesn’t win games. And you can’t have a functioning defense with him in there.

But your forgetting about bobby as well. He is just not a good defender.

[randy84]

I would love to know the type of PG Giannis needs to win. He had Bledsoe and Jrue some of the better defensive PGs in the league and now he has Dame. Not sure who else is out that he would work with.

[rilamann]

Rivers and missing Middleton are both far bigger issues than Dame. There should be way more anger directed towards the owners and Middleton than Dame, easily.

I am no fan of Dame.

But you're probably right. Dame and Giannis are a horrible fit, but a good - not even great - head coach could probably get around 50 wins with this roster and maybe even a playoff series win if you get a favorable match-up in round 1.

With Doc we'll be lucky to get to 40 wins. Doc is horrible,

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

There is a very inappropriate Bobby Knight quote that sort of sums up my mental state regarding the team.

Let it burn down. And do a hard reset the right way.

I fear that without picks we continue to trade for vets. I don't think this front office is capable of doing it the right way.

without picks and in the 2nd apron there isnt a pivot. there literally is no "thing we need to do to get better this year". we have no assets except for the top 3 guys. trade any one of them and were liable to get worse indefinitely so whats the point? if were trying to win you just keep riding that horse at this point. maybe play the young guys more and take playing time from vets who like to play flat footed when they arent head down into a basket chuck.

we are what we are. its why the sooner we rip the entire bandaid off the better. otherwise breaking it up will net 3-5 picks instead of 10-15

[tydett]

The roster is not good. That's on Jon Horst, paying the piper for valuing picks as incentives to get vets rather than potential future gains.

If all reports are to be believed, then Horst identified the correct basketball mind to replace Bud (if they were going to do so) and got vetoed both times. That's not his fault, and shows he has some good basketball sense. Hopefully for him, as a human being, it helps him get his next job.