Official Ochai Agbaji Thread - Welcome to Toronto, Ochai!

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Someone will probably create a new thread debating the starting lineup when players are getting healthy, it would be a debate.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

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Someone will probably create a new thread debating the starting lineup when players are getting healthy, it would be a debate.

It shouldn't be. I'd rather Dick or Walter get those minutes over a retread on a burner.

Let's see if we can actually get a pick for him, before his value plummets.

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Someone will probably create a new thread debating the starting lineup when players are getting healthy, it would be a debate.

i turned it off when he put Ochai at PF in his second starting line up.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The only way he possibly keeps the 30 minutes per, with a healthy team. Is maybe, at PG. With Barnes starting at C. Slide Quickley to SG. We'd be small, but that's a nice five. Ochai's oversized at PG. Do you trust him though?

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Someone will probably create a new thread debating the starting lineup when players are getting healthy, it would be a debate.

i turned it off when he put Ochai at PF in his second starting line up.

OKC put out a lineup of SGA, Dort, Joe, Jalen Williams and Aaron Wiggins vs the Clippers with Zubac.

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Someone will probably create a new thread debating the starting lineup when players are getting healthy, it would be a debate.

It shouldn't be. I'd rather Dick or Walter get those minutes over a retread on a burner.

Let's see if we can actually get a pick for him, before his value plummets.

Agbaji is 24 years old and is team controlled for at least 5 years if we want to keep him around that long.

What Agbaji is doing right now is pretty impressive. You don't just throw that away to get Dick or Walter minutes when they are not any better level of prospects than Agbaji is (was?).

People seem to forget we got Ochai as a 2nd year player and has 148 career games only. He is the same as as RJ. Younger than Quickley. Etc.

[Boogie!]

Some of the comparisons I’m seeing are weird. He’s prototypically an sg in size so he’s not og anunoby. Pj Tucker is another weird comp. He’s also way more fluid with his movements than these guys, he’s got good body control and an ability to finish inside and has good athleticism. His 3 has improved. Someone mentioned Norman Powell in another thread, I think that’s the closest comparison right now. Doesn’t have the ability to create his own shot and handle the ball as much as norm, but everything else from the athleticism to the size is pretty spot on. I guess defensively he’s better.

Dort or Norm would be a better comparison IMO.

He's already much better than Tucker ever was offensively.

Agbaji is closer to Norm. Dort has such a football body that he’s a different prototype (like a Marcus Smart body).


He’s so athletic. I wish he could cut and attack the basket more, and not just settle for jumpers like Terrence Ross used to.

I actually see him as much better in terms of attacking and finishing than Ross. That’s why I like the norm comp.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Someone will probably create a new thread debating the starting lineup when players are getting healthy, it would be a debate.

It shouldn't be. I'd rather Dick or Walter get those minutes over a retread on a burner.

Let's see if we can actually get a pick for him, before his value plummets.

Agbaji is 24 years old and is team controlled for at least 5 years if we want to keep him around that long.

What Agbaji is doing right now is pretty impressive. You don't just throw that away to get Dick or Walter minutes when they are not any better level of prospects than Agbaji is (was?).

People seem to forget we got Ochai as a 2nd year player and has 148 career games only. He is the same as as RJ. Younger than Quickley. Etc.

It's not throwing it away if you get something back in return. It is a waste if you cannibalize your picks, for a guy who doesn't fit your future or your roster when healthy. His minutes get halved when he goes to the bench.

The question is, do you see him maintaining this type of production if he's getting sub 15 minutes a night. Unless you can start him at PG, the minutes just aren't there. That's why Utah dumped him. Sell high.

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It shouldn't be. I'd rather Dick or Walter get those minutes over a retread on a burner.

Let's see if we can actually get a pick for him, before his value plummets.

Agbaji is 24 years old and is team controlled for at least 5 years if we want to keep him around that long.

What Agbaji is doing right now is pretty impressive. You don't just throw that away to get Dick or Walter minutes when they are not any better level of prospects than Agbaji is (was?).

People seem to forget we got Ochai as a 2nd year player and has 148 career games only. He is the same as as RJ. Younger than Quickley. Etc.

It's not throwing it away if you get something back in return. It is a waste if you cannibalize your picks, for a guy who doesn't fit your future or your roster when healthy. His minutes get halved when he goes to the bench.

The question is, do you see him maintaining this type of production if he's getting sub 15 minutes a night. Unless you can start him at PG, the minutes just aren't there. That's why Utah dumped him. Sell high.

What are you getting back in return? Picks that might be as good as Ochai?

wtf are we doing at the point if a 24 year old doesn’t fit our timeline? why not sell high on Scottie too? And Dick?

I don’t know why you think coming off the bench suddenly make a player worse? Why couldn’t he do it off the bench instead of starting?

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Agbaji is 24 years old and is team controlled for at least 5 years if we want to keep him around that long.

What Agbaji is doing right now is pretty impressive. You don't just throw that away to get Dick or Walter minutes when they are not any better level of prospects than Agbaji is (was?).

People seem to forget we got Ochai as a 2nd year player and has 148 career games only. He is the same as as RJ. Younger than Quickley. Etc.

It's not throwing it away if you get something back in return. It is a waste if you cannibalize your picks, for a guy who doesn't fit your future or your roster when healthy. His minutes get halved when he goes to the bench.

The question is, do you see him maintaining this type of production if he's getting sub 15 minutes a night. Unless you can start him at PG, the minutes just aren't there. That's why Utah dumped him. Sell high.

What are you getting back in return? Picks that might be as good as Ochai?

wtf are we doing at the point if a 24 year old doesn’t fit our timeline? why not sell high on Scottie too? And Dick?

I don’t know why you think coming off the bench suddenly make a player worse? Why couldn’t he do it off the bench instead of starting?

If you could flip him into a late first, you take it and run. Just think about it, what position does he play? SF? He's a below average defender. SG? Huge backlog. That leaves PG, he's above average there.

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Agbaji is 24 years old and is team controlled for at least 5 years if we want to keep him around that long.

What Agbaji is doing right now is pretty impressive. You don't just throw that away to get Dick or Walter minutes when they are not any better level of prospects than Agbaji is (was?).

People seem to forget we got Ochai as a 2nd year player and has 148 career games only. He is the same as as RJ. Younger than Quickley. Etc.

It's not throwing it away if you get something back in return. It is a waste if you cannibalize your picks, for a guy who doesn't fit your future or your roster when healthy. His minutes get halved when he goes to the bench.

The question is, do you see him maintaining this type of production if he's getting sub 15 minutes a night. Unless you can start him at PG, the minutes just aren't there. That's why Utah dumped him. Sell high.

What are you getting back in return? Picks that might be as good as Ochai?

wtf are we doing at the point if a 24 year old doesn’t fit our timeline? why not sell high on Scottie too? And Dick?

I don’t know why you think coming off the bench suddenly make a player worse? Why couldn’t he do it off the bench instead of starting?

The biggest problem I have is the guard minutes. Even I include backup SF, there may not be enough for Quickley, Barrett, Dick and Walter (assume we take Shead over Mitchell for backup PG minutes).

We also have to fill our PF and SF minutes with Olynyk and Boucher being more veteran or not part of the future. Then we also need to solve our C issue, which is even more immediate.

Perhaps it is early, and we might wait until draft or free agency (particularly if we pick the BPA is guard), but personally I feel it would be between Agbaji (+ Boucher) or Quickley for picks (and bad contract?)

[YogurtProducer]

It's not throwing it away if you get something back in return. It is a waste if you cannibalize your picks, for a guy who doesn't fit your future or your roster when healthy. His minutes get halved when he goes to the bench.

The question is, do you see him maintaining this type of production if he's getting sub 15 minutes a night. Unless you can start him at PG, the minutes just aren't there. That's why Utah dumped him. Sell high.

What are you getting back in return? Picks that might be as good as Ochai?

wtf are we doing at the point if a 24 year old doesn’t fit our timeline? why not sell high on Scottie too? And Dick?

I don’t know why you think coming off the bench suddenly make a player worse? Why couldn’t he do it off the bench instead of starting?

If you could flip him into a late first, you take it and run. Just think about it, what position does he play? SF? He's a below average defender. SG? Huge backlog. That leaves PG, he's above average there.

He isn’t a Below average defender

So we take a late first so what? Hopefully he becomes as good as Agbaji?

[YogurtProducer]

It's not throwing it away if you get something back in return. It is a waste if you cannibalize your picks, for a guy who doesn't fit your future or your roster when healthy. His minutes get halved when he goes to the bench.

The question is, do you see him maintaining this type of production if he's getting sub 15 minutes a night. Unless you can start him at PG, the minutes just aren't there. That's why Utah dumped him. Sell high.

What are you getting back in return? Picks that might be as good as Ochai?

wtf are we doing at the point if a 24 year old doesn’t fit our timeline? why not sell high on Scottie too? And Dick?

I don’t know why you think coming off the bench suddenly make a player worse? Why couldn’t he do it off the bench instead of starting?

The biggest problem I have is the guard minutes. Even I include backup SF, there may not be enough for Quickley, Barrett, Dick and Walter (assume we take Shead over Mitchell for backup PG minutes).

We also have to fill our PF and SF minutes with Olynyk and Boucher being more veteran or not part of the future. Then we also need to solve our C issue, which is even more immediate.

Perhaps it is early, and we might wait until draft or free agency (particularly if we pick the BPA is guard), but personally I feel it would be between Agbaji (+ Boucher) or Quickley for picks (and bad contract?)

Fit sure. But his argument wasn’t a lack of minutes it was “he doesn’t fit our roster”.

A 3+D player fits 100% of NBA rosters.

IMO - Agbaji is more valuable than JKW, and if he keeps this up eventually you gotta wonder if he’s better than RJ or Dick (maybe not talent wise, but just pure 3+D wise).

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

What are you getting back in return? Picks that might be as good as Ochai?

wtf are we doing at the point if a 24 year old doesn’t fit our timeline? why not sell high on Scottie too? And Dick?

I don’t know why you think coming off the bench suddenly make a player worse? Why couldn’t he do it off the bench instead of starting?

The biggest problem I have is the guard minutes. Even I include backup SF, there may not be enough for Quickley, Barrett, Dick and Walter (assume we take Shead over Mitchell for backup PG minutes).

We also have to fill our PF and SF minutes with Olynyk and Boucher being more veteran or not part of the future. Then we also need to solve our C issue, which is even more immediate.

Perhaps it is early, and we might wait until draft or free agency (particularly if we pick the BPA is guard), but personally I feel it would be between Agbaji (+ Boucher) or Quickley for picks (and bad contract?)

Fit sure. But his argument wasn’t a lack of minutes it was “he doesn’t fit our roster”.

A 3+D player fits 100% of NBA rosters.

IMO - Agbaji is more valuable than JKW, and if he keeps this up eventually you gotta wonder if he’s better than RJ or Dick (maybe not talent wise, but just pure 3+D wise).

6'5" is small for the position they want him to play. If he can't defend at the SF position, that limits us. He can't provide that.

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The biggest problem I have is the guard minutes. Even I include backup SF, there may not be enough for Quickley, Barrett, Dick and Walter (assume we take Shead over Mitchell for backup PG minutes).

We also have to fill our PF and SF minutes with Olynyk and Boucher being more veteran or not part of the future. Then we also need to solve our C issue, which is even more immediate.

Perhaps it is early, and we might wait until draft or free agency (particularly if we pick the BPA is guard), but personally I feel it would be between Agbaji (+ Boucher) or Quickley for picks (and bad contract?)

Fit sure. But his argument wasn’t a lack of minutes it was “he doesn’t fit our roster”.

A 3+D player fits 100% of NBA rosters.

IMO - Agbaji is more valuable than JKW, and if he keeps this up eventually you gotta wonder if he’s better than RJ or Dick (maybe not talent wise, but just pure 3+D wise).

6'5" is small for the position they want him to play. If he can't defend at the SF position, that limits us. He can't provide that.

he has a 6’11 wingspan. Height doesn’t really mean anything.

Funny how we’re worried about Agbaji defense but not dick or RJ which is why he is guarding 3’s

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Fit sure. But his argument wasn’t a lack of minutes it was “he doesn’t fit our roster”.

A 3+D player fits 100% of NBA rosters.

IMO - Agbaji is more valuable than JKW, and if he keeps this up eventually you gotta wonder if he’s better than RJ or Dick (maybe not talent wise, but just pure 3+D wise).

6'5" is small for the position they want him to play. If he can't defend at the SF position, that limits us. He can't provide that.

he has a 6’11 wingspan. Height doesn’t really mean anything.

Funny how we’re worried about Agbaji defense but not dick or RJ which is why he is guarding 3’s

Oh yeah, nobody on our roster does what we need at SF defensively. I think Ochai was brought in to be an OG replacement. Watching him get bodied by Lebron the other night, kind of shows he can't be that though.

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6'5" is small for the position they want him to play. If he can't defend at the SF position, that limits us. He can't provide that.

he has a 6’11 wingspan. Height doesn’t really mean anything.

Funny how we’re worried about Agbaji defense but not dick or RJ which is why he is guarding 3’s

Oh yeah, nobody on our roster does what we need at SF. I think Ochai was brought in to be an OG replacement. Watching him get bodied by Lebron the other night, kind of shows he can't be that though.

He was brought in as a good buy low.

Judging a player based off their inability to guard LeBron though isn’t a fair assessment. There’s a reason he was even given the task instead of our other guys.

He has a role on this team. It might not be a starting wing but he’s certainly more than capable of being in a rotation.

I’d be trading RJ before Ochai for sure though.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

he has a 6’11 wingspan. Height doesn’t really mean anything.

Funny how we’re worried about Agbaji defense but not dick or RJ which is why he is guarding 3’s

Oh yeah, nobody on our roster does what we need at SF. I think Ochai was brought in to be an OG replacement. Watching him get bodied by Lebron the other night, kind of shows he can't be that though.

He was brought in as a good buy low.

Judging a player based off their inability to guard LeBron though isn’t a fair assessment. There’s a reason he was even given the task instead of our other guys.

He has a role on this team. It might not be a starting wing but he’s certainly more than capable of being in a rotation.

I’d be trading RJ before Ochai for sure though.

At this point, they could trade anybody and I'd be OK.

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Fit sure. But his argument wasn’t a lack of minutes it was “he doesn’t fit our roster”.

A 3+D player fits 100% of NBA rosters.

IMO - Agbaji is more valuable than JKW, and if he keeps this up eventually you gotta wonder if he’s better than RJ or Dick (maybe not talent wise, but just pure 3+D wise).

6'5" is small for the position they want him to play. If he can't defend at the SF position, that limits us. He can't provide that.

he has a 6’11 wingspan. Height doesn’t really mean anything.

Funny how we’re worried about Agbaji defense but not dick or RJ which is why he is guarding 3’s

He only has 6'10 wingspan, same as Walter. 6'10 is consider below average for starting SF. Average starter for SF wingspan is pretty much at least 7'
If they are to guard LeBron, Leonard, Anunoby, Tatum, Ingram, Wiggins, McDaniels, Miller, etc. are all in the 7'+ wingspan category. 6'10 wingspan would be for backup SF.

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6'5" is small for the position they want him to play. If he can't defend at the SF position, that limits us. He can't provide that.

he has a 6’11 wingspan. Height doesn’t really mean anything.

Funny how we’re worried about Agbaji defense but not dick or RJ which is why he is guarding 3’s

He only has 6'10 wingspan, same as Walter. 6'10 is consider below average for starting SF. Average starter for SF wingspan is pretty much at least 7'
If they are to guard LeBron, Leonard, Anunoby, Tatum, Ingram, Wiggins, McDaniels, Miller, etc. are all in the 7'+ wingspan category. 6'10 wingspan would be for backup SF.

Source?

https://www.draftexpress.com/average-measurements-by-position/2017/NBA+Draft+Combine/all/60/