is Klay done?

[CDM_Stats]

It's a shame Klay couldn't finish his career with the Warriors. It's sad to think he may not like the team anymore. I hope that's just the media projecting what they want onto him.

Maybe its the media, but the guy does act awful mopey about the team when they continued to give him huge minutes & Draymond punched the kid that was disrespecting him in practice.. he expected to get overpaid and permanently started on top of all that

I heard so much about it the past 2 years, very little of it good. I'd bet that once all 3 of them have retired, there will be some regret on Klay's part how he handled this.

[michaelm]

It's a shame Klay couldn't finish his career with the Warriors. It's sad to think he may not like the team anymore. I hope that's just the media projecting what they want onto him.

Maybe its the media, but the guy does act awful mopey about the team when they continued to give him huge minutes & Draymond punched the kid that was disrespecting him in practice.. he expected to get overpaid and permanently started on top of all that

I heard so much about it the past 2 years, very little of it good. I'd bet that once all 3 of them have retired, there will be some regret on Klay's part how he handled this.

I go both ways on this. Klay is one of the greatest GSW players, all true GSW fans should be forever grateful for his contribution to 4 titles, and he was playing absolutely fantastically well when he went down playing already injured in the service of GSW trying to win a 4th title the first time.

He deserves to be an icon of the franchise and hopefully still will be in his retirement. There is however absolutely no chance of a statue of him being erected at the Mavs home court, and he should consider that. His ego outweighing his ability post the injuries and apparent expectation he should be allowed to continue the role he saw for himself as though he was still peak Klay was a detriment to the team for the last 2 seasons, imo and I believe yours, after he had been a valuable contributor to the actual 4th title playing an appropriate role for a guy who had missed two and half seasons with injury.

With the best will in the world no franchise is going to throw away 3 or more years pandering to a diminished player particularly given salary caps and other equalisation measures, although given the regard Steph, Dray and Kerr appeared to have for him they themselves might even have been on board with same.

[CDM_Stats]

It's a shame Klay couldn't finish his career with the Warriors. It's sad to think he may not like the team anymore. I hope that's just the media projecting what they want onto him.

Maybe its the media, but the guy does act awful mopey about the team when they continued to give him huge minutes & Draymond punched the kid that was disrespecting him in practice.. he expected to get overpaid and permanently started on top of all that

I heard so much about it the past 2 years, very little of it good. I'd bet that once all 3 of them have retired, there will be some regret on Klay's part how he handled this.

I go both ways on this. Klay is one of the greatest GSW players, all true GSW fans should be forever grateful for his contribution to 4 titles, and he was playing absolutely fantastically well when he went down playing already injured in the service of GSW trying to win a 4th title the first time.

He deserves to be an icon of the franchise and hopefully still will be in his retirement. There is however absolutely no chance of a statue of him being erected at the Mavs home court, and he should consider that. His ego outweighing his ability post the injuries and apparent expectation he should be allowed to continue the role he saw for himself as though he was still peak Klay was a detriment to the team for the last 2 seasons, imo and I believe yours, after he had been a valuable contributor to the actual 4th title playing an appropriate role for a guy who had missed two and half seasons with injury.

With the best will in the world no franchise is going to throw away 3 or more years pandering to a diminished player particularly given salary caps and other equalisation measures, although given the regard Steph, Dray and Kerr appeared to have for him they themselves might even have been on board with same.

I'm really callous when it comes to these kinds of things.. as soon as you aren't wearing the jersey, I'm rooting for him to fail like I would any other non-Warrior. When he retires, I'm sure I'll feel different, but until then... I hope he goes 0-10 tonight. And that's just as a fan, not even counting some of the stories I had heard. Needless to say that when several Warriors mentioned the locker room vibe this year, I knew exactly what that meant

[GunnerWRX]

Maybe its the media, but the guy does act awful mopey about the team when they continued to give him huge minutes & Draymond punched the kid that was disrespecting him in practice.. he expected to get overpaid and permanently started on top of all that

I heard so much about it the past 2 years, very little of it good. I'd bet that once all 3 of them have retired, there will be some regret on Klay's part how he handled this.

I go both ways on this. Klay is one of the greatest GSW players, all true GSW fans should be forever grateful for his contribution to 4 titles, and he was playing absolutely fantastically well when he went down playing already injured in the service of GSW trying to win a 4th title the first time.

He deserves to be an icon of the franchise and hopefully still will be in his retirement. There is however absolutely no chance of a statue of him being erected at the Mavs home court, and he should consider that. His ego outweighing his ability post the injuries and apparent expectation he should be allowed to continue the role he saw for himself as though he was still peak Klay was a detriment to the team for the last 2 seasons, imo and I believe yours, after he had been a valuable contributor to the actual 4th title playing an appropriate role for a guy who had missed two and half seasons with injury.

With the best will in the world no franchise is going to throw away 3 or more years pandering to a diminished player particularly given salary caps and other equalisation measures, although given the regard Steph, Dray and Kerr appeared to have for him they themselves might even have been on board with same.

I'm really callous when it comes to these kinds of things.. as soon as you aren't wearing the jersey, I'm rooting for him to fail like I would any other non-Warrior. When he retires, I'm sure I'll feel different, but until then... I hope he goes 0-10 tonight. And that's just as a fan, not even counting some of the stories I had heard. Needless to say that when several Warriors mentioned the locker room vibe this year, I knew exactly what that meant

x2. I want us to beat them and send them to below .500, while we become 9-2. Klay being a sensitive person looking at where he is at can go cry at home hugging Roco. Even better if we reach the playoffs while Klay misses it (or get eliminated by us). I want us to be successful post Klay. I want him to fail so badly. I am looking forward to his 10 shots for 10 points night.

Having said all that, I am all for giving Klay a statue when it is all said and done.

[floppymoose]

I was watching something Warriors related on youtube, and they had some B-roll from the earlier championship years. It was stark watching Klay run in and actually jump reasonably high to snatch a rebound. I had to rewind the vid because I was wondering who the player was. The way he was able to move was so different from his capabilities today.

[CS707]

I'm not mad at Klay, sometimes a change is just best for everyone. This organization gave him every opportunity to succeed to the point of being detrimental though, so his comments are getting a little eyerolling. The only thing standing in Klay's way was Klay.

[Twinkie defense]

I hope Klay has a great game tonight and gets a lot of love, but the Warriors take care of the Mavs.

[Twinkie defense]

Looney: "Good luck, I'm gonna foul you"

[B-King]

Sure I am sad to see Klay in another uniform, but glad that he turned down the last legitimate offer from the Warriors. The Warriors are in a better place and Klay should be too. He would have been sulking in a Dubs uniform. Klay went from being the happiest go lucky Warrior to that terrible needy GF you can't ditch.

[Hoopstar23]

Yeah pretty bad so far lol

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[DonaldSanders]

I was rooting for Klay to miss when he shot, but after we won happy that we got the win and he had a good night. I really enjoyed all the pre-game love he got, well earned. I'm glad for both parties that a new chapter has been opened.

I was watching something Warriors related on youtube, and they had some B-roll from the earlier championship years. It was stark watching Klay run in and actually jump reasonably high to snatch a rebound. I had to rewind the vid because I was wondering who the player was. The way he was able to move was so different from his capabilities today.

Yeah I watch full games in the off-season and both after 22-23 and especially 23-24 it was really obvious how much Klay's athleticism had fallen off. In 21-22 he looks somewhere between Prime Klay and Old Klay, where he is now. Post Injury Klay wasn't amazing, but he led the Warriors in playoff minutes and we won the title. After that, he declined shockingly fast. Last year was a disaster, I watched a Klay defensive highlight video mid-season and it was even crazier of a difference than I was remembering. Watching Prime Klay vids... wow.

Some people might say we were too hard on the difference between Prime Klay and Post-Injury+Old Klay but when I watched the tape, I realized most of us were actually being kind.

[Impuniti]

I was rooting for Klay to miss when he shot, but after we won happy that we got the win and he had a good night. I really enjoyed all the pre-game love he got, well earned. I'm glad for both parties that a new chapter has been opened.

I was watching something Warriors related on youtube, and they had some B-roll from the earlier championship years. It was stark watching Klay run in and actually jump reasonably high to snatch a rebound. I had to rewind the vid because I was wondering who the player was. The way he was able to move was so different from his capabilities today.

Yeah I watch full games in the off-season and both after 22-23 and especially 23-24 it was really obvious how much Klay's athleticism had fallen off. In 21-22 he looks somewhere between Prime Klay and Old Klay, where he is now. Post Injury Klay wasn't amazing, but he led the Warriors in playoff minutes and we won the title. After that, he declined shockingly fast. Last year was a disaster, I watched a Klay defensive highlight video mid-season and it was even crazier of a difference than I was remembering. Watching Prime Klay vids... wow.

Some people might say we were too hard on the difference between Prime Klay and Post-Injury+Old Klay but when I watched the tape, I realized most of us were actually being kind.

I don't agree with this at all, Klay did not lose his athleticism after the 22' season. He never had it then either. And he averaged the most minutes because Steve Kerr is a maniac who coaches with sentimentality/feelings over logic (or common sense) when it comes to his guys.

2022 Playoffs:
+2.6 with Klay on the court.
+12.8 with Klay off the court.

Add Steph into the mix
+ 13.7 Steph on, Klay off
- 4.2 Steph off, Klay on

Just because Warriors won that year, it doesn't mean that everything Kerr or the team did was correct.

[DonaldSanders]

2022 Playoffs:
+2.6 with Klay on the court.
+12.8 with Klay off the court.

Add Steph into the mix
+ 13.7 Steph on, Klay off
- 4.2 Steph off, Klay on

Just because Warriors won that year, it doesn't mean that everything Kerr or the team did was correct.

Oh I don't think Klay was ever close to Prime Klay post injury, thought I made that clear but maybe not. I just mean he faded even more after 2022.

[Scoots1994]

I think most of that celebration is the kind of thing Klay hates but will appreciate ... but the captain hats were genius.

[CDM_Stats]

I think most of that celebration is the kind of thing Klay hates but will appreciate ... but the captain hats were genius.

Best part of the captain hats was Barkley wearing one without adjusting it... cap was fighting for its life not to fly off his fat head

(also I know he gets crap but Barkley is actually a good dude, likes the Warriors, and can be found at Tahoe casinos regularly )

[wco81]

He said last night that the Warriors' early season form wasn't for real, it's not "sustainable" and he's more bullish on the Suns and the Mavs. Says Suns have size.

Shaq opposed it, said Warriors are second or third in the West.

[Scoots1994]

I think most of that celebration is the kind of thing Klay hates but will appreciate ... but the captain hats were genius.

Best part of the captain hats was Barkley wearing one without adjusting it... cap was fighting for its life not to fly off his fat head

(also I know he gets crap but Barkley is actually a good dude, likes the Warriors, and can be found at Tahoe casinos regularly )

Barkley is absolutely a good dude. Hung out with him in Miami like 20 years ago for a night. Super smart and funny. Never met him but I've heard nothing but great things about Shaq too.

That said, Sir Charles' view of how basketball should be played is aging.

[vvoland]

He said last night that the Warriors' early season form wasn't for real, it's not "sustainable" and he's more bullish on the Suns and the Mavs. Says Suns have size.

Shaq opposed it, said Warriors are second or third in the West.

He may very well believe that specific position but, in general, I think his anti-warriors picks/comments/etc. are just schtick. He knows how to get an audience engaged and talking trash about the dubs won't provoke the same kind of vitriol as it would from an east coast fanbase.

[WarriorGM]

I was surprised by the level of emotion showed by Steph towards the end of the Klay return game. I thought there wasn't too much going on behind the curtain but now I'm not so sure.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I was rooting for Klay to miss when he shot, but after we won happy that we got the win and he had a good night. I really enjoyed all the pre-game love he got, well earned. I'm glad for both parties that a new chapter has been opened.

I was watching something Warriors related on youtube, and they had some B-roll from the earlier championship years. It was stark watching Klay run in and actually jump reasonably high to snatch a rebound. I had to rewind the vid because I was wondering who the player was. The way he was able to move was so different from his capabilities today.

Yeah I watch full games in the off-season and both after 22-23 and especially 23-24 it was really obvious how much Klay's athleticism had fallen off. In 21-22 he looks somewhere between Prime Klay and Old Klay, where he is now. Post Injury Klay wasn't amazing, but he led the Warriors in playoff minutes and we won the title. After that, he declined shockingly fast. Last year was a disaster, I watched a Klay defensive highlight video mid-season and it was even crazier of a difference than I was remembering. Watching Prime Klay vids... wow.

Some people might say we were too hard on the difference between Prime Klay and Post-Injury+Old Klay but when I watched the tape, I realized most of us were actually being kind.

I don't agree with this at all, Klay did not lose his athleticism after the 22' season. He never had it then either. And he averaged the most minutes because Steve Kerr is a maniac who coaches with sentimentality/feelings over logic (or common sense) when it comes to his guys.

2022 Playoffs:
+2.6 with Klay on the court.
+12.8 with Klay off the court.

Add Steph into the mix
+ 13.7 Steph on, Klay off
- 4.2 Steph off, Klay on

Just because Warriors won that year, it doesn't mean that everything Kerr or the team did was correct.

When the other guy that plays your position is playing very well. It can make you look bad at plus minus.

Gary Payton was playing very very well until the Dillon Brooks injury.
Jordan Poole was playing very very very very well, and simultaneously playing very very bad. For Jordan Poole, very very, very, very mine is very very equals very very. So Poole was still playing very very well overall when you subtract his bad away from his good.

Klay is not done, but klay is an eighth man quality now, instead of an all-star quality.