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[soxperry]

We can fight for 4th seed, but we desperately need a point guard (to play WITH Dame), and we need Khris back if we want to do anything in the postseason.

I was an early believer in Rollins. I think he will be a real NBA player, hopefully for the Bucks. But I wouldn't mind bringing in a more experienced PG who Dame can share the court with. Fultz, Flynn, maybe Dennis Smith. Maybe my guy Kira Lewis. Dame is more of a two than a one these days. Maybe he's always been a Steve Francis-type. I dunno.

And we still need a young, energy big. Bro doesn't even need to be a real offensive threat. Just hustle, block some shots, run the court like Dan Gadzuric in a contract year, catch a lob or two. There's gotta be one out there somewhere. Is Olivier Sarr any good? Moses Brown? HELP!

I think our guy Rollins just needs the experience and game reps and he’ll be a nice pairing with Dame.

I wrote off Rollins from the start but seeing him recently against actual nba starters (especially Boston) changed my mind. The only reservation i have now us how slight he is. He needs to gain some weight and some strength.

[msiris]

Let Livingston cook in Bobby's place.

I agree with this.

When did Liv get better than Smith

Give Tyler some burn.

[-Jragon-]

Khris provides playmaking even when his shot isnt falling. He's excellent at setting guys like Giannis and Brook up for extremely high percentage looks. He just kind of coordinates the offense. Defensively, Khris at least knows where to be and has some tact. Bobby is lost frequently and has zero defensive tact.

These two things are not remotely the same.

For Khris, for every decent pass he has (I never saw a great one; he's not J Kidd), doesn't his forced dribbles and sloppy pass turnovers even that out? Everytime he's playmaking that means Giannis and Dame aren't? Didn't it look like GTJ showed that flash last night that he can do it even more efficiently and smoother? KM is a 1 trick pony in my view

Well, no. Its not about flash or style, its how you can manipulate a defense and generate a high percentage look. Khris has his share of awkward moments but his Ast:TO ratio is usually a bit better than Giannis and slightly worse than Dame (who is a 6'2 guard).

Whether or not Khris is hitting shots that night, he has a reputation and defenses must always honor it. He can hit an array if jumpers, he can hit floaters, and he is an excellent finisher with a number of available angles. Hes got great footwork and can usually get to his spots consistently. All of this means gravity. And he is smart and selfless enough to take advantage when teams overhelp.

Point is: he may not be the most talented passer in a vacuum but he knows how to attack a defense and usually makes great decisions. The fact that hes an elite shooter on top of that makes him incredibly valuable when hes healthy.

Im not trying to be an ass but uts baffling to me that anyone who has watched the Bucks over the years could think Khris is a one trick pony. ...unless that trick is being the glue that binds our offense

Meh, it's a pretty good trick though, the shot making and TS% he can get off 2s... just not sure we need it combined with the slow feet and lack of disruptive D and hustle...

[BigO]

Or "rebounds are overrated, because defense is more important"? Any coach will tell you that defensive rebounding is part of playing defense, so separating the two is absurd.

When you play good D it leads to rebounds. D leads to rebounding Rebounding is not hard. Prince did it last night. Got to want to do it. That's why rebounding will not suffer if Bobby is traded. The D won't suffer as well. Scoring might suffer but he wants an extention and my personal opinion its time to move on for the right package.

I don't have any problem with getting the right pieces back, but the implication from many on here that he's a net negative or that rebounding is easy is just wrong. Losing Portis would be a big rebounding loss and scoring loss.

But if it brings back a near elite interior defender and a good rebounder, I think it's worth exploring. That's why a guy like Kevon Looney intrigues me. Great defender and rebounder. Kerr loves Portis. Heard him talk about him on Team USA.

[ReasonablySober]

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On Friday, the New York Knicks drove against Bucks center Brook Lopez nine times for a total of 15 points, six of which came from three first-half dunks by Karl-Anthony Towns. On each of them, the 36-year-old Lopez -- runner-up for Defensive Player of the Year just two seasons ago -- looked as if he was wading through quicksand at the top of the key. That isn't to say the issues stem primarily from Lopez, who has held shooters 10.3 percentage points lower than their averages at the basket -- one of the league's best rates.

Rather, Lopez and the Bucks are desperately struggling at point of attack defense, both in cutting off driving lanes and in deflecting passes. Milwaukee's blow-by rate -- the percentage of times that opposing players breeze past them off the dribble -- is the third highest in the NBA, per Second Spectrum tracking data.

And teams, sensing they own a quickness advantage, have made a point to aggressively target Lillard. The floor general has been forced to guard an average of 11 on-ball screens per game as the screener defender, by far the highest rate of his career and up from such seven plays per game last season. (Only Atlanta Hawks guard Trae Young is being forced to guard more on-ball screens each night.) Opposing starting backcourts are lighting up Milwaukee for nearly 40 points a night, the NBA's fourth-highest mark.

Why does all of it matter so much? Simply put, the once-dominant Bucks aren't generating enough efficiency advantages to overcome their defense.

Giannis and his teammates are still among the league's best in transition, but they don't get to show it often, as they force turnovers at the third-lowest rate in the league. (The Bucks are also the NBA's only team to rank in the bottom three in offensive rebounding percentage and opponent turnover percentage.)

This hemorrhaging is taking place as the Bucks, who under former coach Mike Budenholzer set a single-game NBA record for most made 3-pointers, no longer enjoy an advantage from deep. As recently as two seasons ago, Milwaukee got up 507 more 3-point attempts than its foes. This season, they're underwater in that regard.

[midranger]

We can fight for 4th seed, but we desperately need a point guard (to play WITH Dame), and we need Khris back if we want to do anything in the postseason.

I was an early believer in Rollins. I think he will be a real NBA player, hopefully for the Bucks. But I wouldn't mind bringing in a more experienced PG who Dame can share the court with. Fultz, Flynn, maybe Dennis Smith. Maybe my guy Kira Lewis. Dame is more of a two than a one these days. Maybe he's always been a Steve Francis-type. I dunno.

And we still need a young, energy big. Bro doesn't even need to be a real offensive threat. Just hustle, block some shots, run the court like Dan Gadzuric in a contract year, catch a lob or two. There's gotta be one out there somewhere. Is Olivier Sarr any good? Moses Brown? HELP!

Going to get roasted but:

Brook
Marjon

For

Jarred Vanderbilt
Gabe Vincent
Dalton Knecht

Would be betting on a bounce back for Vincent and Vanderbilt with change of scenery and Knecht’s potential.

Also betting you could find a traditional center type for Bobby and Pat.

[pilprin]

We can fight for 4th seed, but we desperately need a point guard (to play WITH Dame), and we need Khris back if we want to do anything in the postseason.

I was an early believer in Rollins. I think he will be a real NBA player, hopefully for the Bucks. But I wouldn't mind bringing in a more experienced PG who Dame can share the court with. Fultz, Flynn, maybe Dennis Smith. Maybe my guy Kira Lewis. Dame is more of a two than a one these days. Maybe he's always been a Steve Francis-type. I dunno.

And we still need a young, energy big. Bro doesn't even need to be a real offensive threat. Just hustle, block some shots, run the court like Dan Gadzuric in a contract year, catch a lob or two. There's gotta be one out there somewhere. Is Olivier Sarr any good? Moses Brown? HELP!

Going to get roasted but:

Brook
Marjon

For

Jarred Vanderbilt
Gabe Vincent
Dalton Knecht

Would be betting on a bounce back for Vincent and Vanderbilt with change of scenery and Knecht’s potential.

Also betting you could find a traditional center type for Bobby and Pat.

If that trade were available and possible...hell yes.

[raferfenix]

T-Wolves are 6-6 right now after dropping back-to-back games against Portland. Don't think the Julius Randle experiment is working out, and they may be a team to keep an eye on going forward. If they're still floating around .500 in December, I wonder if they'd actually shop McDaniels for an offensive upgrade.

McDaniels would be pretty ideal here, right?

It’d be very complicated since both teams are in the 2nd apron but I wonder how interested they’d be in Khris or Dame.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The biggest reason you consider moving Dame is because this team is going nowhere unless it meaningfully changes from a roster and coaching standpoint.

Moving Brook and Bobby aren't bringing back much. That's just reality at this point.

This, very much this. He's the one piece outside Giannis that can bring back an actual core piece for the future in a trade.

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[soxperry]

For Khris, for every decent pass he has (I never saw a great one; he's not J Kidd), doesn't his forced dribbles and sloppy pass turnovers even that out? Everytime he's playmaking that means Giannis and Dame aren't? Didn't it look like GTJ showed that flash last night that he can do it even more efficiently and smoother? KM is a 1 trick pony in my view

Well, no. Its not about flash or style, its how you can manipulate a defense and generate a high percentage look. Khris has his share of awkward moments but his Ast:TO ratio is usually a bit better than Giannis and slightly worse than Dame (who is a 6'2 guard).

Whether or not Khris is hitting shots that night, he has a reputation and defenses must always honor it. He can hit an array if jumpers, he can hit floaters, and he is an excellent finisher with a number of available angles. Hes got great footwork and can usually get to his spots consistently. All of this means gravity. And he is smart and selfless enough to take advantage when teams overhelp.

Point is: he may not be the most talented passer in a vacuum but he knows how to attack a defense and usually makes great decisions. The fact that hes an elite shooter on top of that makes him incredibly valuable when hes healthy.

Im not trying to be an ass but uts baffling to me that anyone who has watched the Bucks over the years could think Khris is a one trick pony. ...unless that trick is being the glue that binds our offense

Meh, it's a pretty good trick though, the shot making and TS% he can get off 2s... just not sure we need it combined with the slow feet and lack of disruptive D and hustle...

Lol... You just ignored most of what i said and went back to your "Khris as a one trick pony shooter" thing. I now understand how you came to that conclusion in the first place.

I tried

[-Jragon-]

So only 2 dudes have more than 50 midrange shots.... the rest of the league has less than 50 so their shot are coming from 3 or in the paint. Midrange shooting is archaic and outdated? This the point or nah?

[RogerMurdock]

We can fight for 4th seed, but we desperately need a point guard (to play WITH Dame), and we need Khris back if we want to do anything in the postseason.

I was an early believer in Rollins. I think he will be a real NBA player, hopefully for the Bucks. But I wouldn't mind bringing in a more experienced PG who Dame can share the court with. Fultz, Flynn, maybe Dennis Smith. Maybe my guy Kira Lewis. Dame is more of a two than a one these days. Maybe he's always been a Steve Francis-type. I dunno.

And we still need a young, energy big. Bro doesn't even need to be a real offensive threat. Just hustle, block some shots, run the court like Dan Gadzuric in a contract year, catch a lob or two. There's gotta be one out there somewhere. Is Olivier Sarr any good? Moses Brown? HELP!

Going to get roasted but:

Brook
Marjon

For

Jarred Vanderbilt
Gabe Vincent
Dalton Knecht

Would be betting on a bounce back for Vincent and Vanderbilt with change of scenery and Knecht’s potential.

Also betting you could find a traditional center type for Bobby and Pat.

Lakers wouldn't trade Knecht.

[-Jragon-]

Well, no. Its not about flash or style, its how you can manipulate a defense and generate a high percentage look. Khris has his share of awkward moments but his Ast:TO ratio is usually a bit better than Giannis and slightly worse than Dame (who is a 6'2 guard).

Whether or not Khris is hitting shots that night, he has a reputation and defenses must always honor it. He can hit an array if jumpers, he can hit floaters, and he is an excellent finisher with a number of available angles. Hes got great footwork and can usually get to his spots consistently. All of this means gravity. And he is smart and selfless enough to take advantage when teams overhelp.

Point is: he may not be the most talented passer in a vacuum but he knows how to attack a defense and usually makes great decisions. The fact that hes an elite shooter on top of that makes him incredibly valuable when hes healthy.

Im not trying to be an ass but uts baffling to me that anyone who has watched the Bucks over the years could think Khris is a one trick pony. ...unless that trick is being the glue that binds our offense

Meh, it's a pretty good trick though, the shot making and TS% he can get off 2s... just not sure we need it combined with the slow feet and lack of disruptive D and hustle...

Lol... You just ignored most of what i said and went back to your "Khris as a one trick pony shooter" thing. I now understand how you came to that conclusion in the first place.

I tried

No I didn't. I don't think you're wrong; he's good at that you said .. my OP said "in my view" because everything else he does other than the impressive high TS% midrange shots is redundant as our team is better off with Dame or Giannis "playmaking" because they are GREAT at it and KM shot making because he's great at that. Mid-range shots are an outdated, archaic skill and his mobility/health/weak D makes it less meaningful. I'd rather us trade him for athletic 3 and D guys and play an uptempo, updated brand of ball.

Ok, I'm grounding myself from talking about KM until mid-december.

[JEIS]

Maybe they are just trying to trade Kris?

[-Jragon-]

Maybe they are just trying to trade Kris?

And thereby sitting him... you think outside the box.

[drdrG]

Both Dame and Giannis are best when they're hunting their own shots and then opportunities for simple passes emerge. For the two of them to elevate each other, they need to learn how to hunt shots for each other.

We are the only team in the league that has two guys who can go supernova and Khris has been a stud playoff performer for years. Despite the chatter, these three need a shot together in the postseason.

We need guys who can hunt shots for these three and do all the little things. I like Rollins, AJax is having a positive impact, Green has been effective in enough NBA games. We don't need the things Bobby is good at. We need the things he's bad at.

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[VooDoo7]

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[Frank Nova]

Brook inspired me to let him stick around a little bit longer. Bobby Portis and Pat Connaughton still need sent to the moon…. Khris Middleton remains in no mans land.