2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread

[CobraCommander]

SGA is a nice guy that has a complete game. Doesn’t complain no I a great team mate and leader...what’s up with all the hate he gets? Is it backlash from the drake Kdot beef where people hate Canadians now?

[p0peye]

This thread simple ain't what it used to be without eyeatoma's participation.

[Chokic]

If cavs end up with the best record this season donovan mitchell should be the mvp.

If the Cavs end up with the best record this season because Donovan Mitchell was the best and most valuable player this season then he should be MVP.

Imagine actually thinking a 23/4/4 guy deserves MVP because a team in the cakewalk East wins 5 to 10 more games than a Jokic led team in the west.

You do realize teams in the east also plays teams in the west right? If your team has the best record in the league you also beat plenty of top teams in the west multiple times.

[Chokic]

If cavs end up with the best record this season donovan mitchell should be the mvp.

sure...lol

Mitchell: ORTG 115, DRTG 111
that is, the Cavs with Mitchell on the floor score 115 PTS per 100 possesions and get scored on 111 PTS

conversly:

Mobley: ORTG 118, DRTG 107
Garland: ORTG 126, DRTG 113
Allen: ORTG 132, DRTG 106

Mitchell is having a good season but come on now..

I get that the Cavs are undefeated but they're doing it by commitee. Tatum didn't win it last year despite being 1st in the standings by a mile and playing better than Mitchell has been playing this season. Booker (or CP3 who was the real driver) didn't win it in 2022 despite having the best record which was much better than the real MVP contenders records

in 2025, 23/4/4 does not an MVP make

besides, you can make ten different good arguments about Mitchell NOT being the best or most impactful player on this Cavs team so "best team best player" doesn't really apply

There's been many players who had better pure raw stats than the mvp winner in the past. Steve Nash for example set a precedent winning mvp twice despite relatively pedestrian stats but won bc of his overall offensive impact. The gap in stats between tatum and mitchell is prettt marginal but the difference wss the win column bc celtics had much better team. Cavs core had alot of talent but we're hampered by injuries.

This season mitchell raw stats are down compqred to last season and prior seasons but keep in mind his minutes are down but now he's making his team play better by sacrificing own his stats and playing more unselfish ball. I call this the tim duncan effect.

I dont think its debatable Mitchell is by far the best player on the cavs and the main reason why the cavs have the best record in the league this season. Hes always been an impactful player and not a guy just putting up big numbers on bad teams. carrying a mediocre talented jazz team from lottery to makinf tge playoffs since his rookie year mind you w/ an offensively inept Rudy gobert as his 2nd best payer to the #1 seed in the west that year.

Now the same thing is happening except this time he has more talented players surrounding him. What the cavs are doing now is what I and some other ppl imagined cavs would be last season or few seasons ago after acquiring Mitchell but they just been unlucky with injuries. Now the cavs are all healthy. Knock on wood.

[RB34]

If cavs end up with the best record this season donovan mitchell should be the mvp.

sure...lol

Mitchell: ORTG 115, DRTG 111
that is, the Cavs with Mitchell on the floor score 115 PTS per 100 possesions and get scored on 111 PTS

conversly:

Mobley: ORTG 118, DRTG 107
Garland: ORTG 126, DRTG 113
Allen: ORTG 132, DRTG 106

Mitchell is having a good season but come on now..

I get that the Cavs are undefeated but they're doing it by commitee. Tatum didn't win it last year despite being 1st in the standings by a mile and playing better than Mitchell has been playing this season. Booker (or CP3 who was the real driver) didn't win it in 2022 despite having the best record which was much better than the real MVP contenders records

in 2025, 23/4/4 does not an MVP make

besides, you can make ten different good arguments about Mitchell NOT being the best or most impactful player on this Cavs team so "best team best player" doesn't really apply

There's been many players who had better pure raw stats than the mvp winner in the past. Steve Nash for example set a precedent winning mvp twice despite relatively pedestrian stats but won bc of his overall offensive impact. The gap in stats between tatum and mitchell is prettt marginal but the difference wss the win column bc celtics had much better team. Cavs core had alot of talent but we're hampered by injuries.

This season mitchell raw stats are down compqred to last season and prior seasons but keep in mind his minutes are down but now he's making his team play better by sacrificing own his stats and playing more unselfish ball. I call this the tim duncan effect.

I dont think its debatable Mitchell is by far the best player on the cavs and the main reason why the cavs have the best record in the league this season. Hes always been an impactful player and not a guy just putting up big numbers on bad teams. carrying a mediocre talented jazz team from lottery to makinf tge playoffs since his rookie year mind you w/ an offensively inept Rudy gobert as his 2nd best payer to the #1 seed in the west that year.

Now the same thing is happening except this time he has more talented players surrounding him. What the cavs are doing now is what I and some other ppl imagined cavs would be last season or few seasons ago after acquiring Mitchell but they just been unlucky with injuries. Now the cavs are all healthy. Knock on wood.

There are people on here calling for the Cavs to have four All Stars. Donovan isn’t doing all of this by himself and his stats reflect that.

Tatum is certainly not the only player in the league with good teammates, there are multiple stacked teams. It’s crazy how people talk as though everyone else is playing with part time ballers.

Bad faith arguments made in bad faith.

[Homer38]

It's time to remove Giannis from the "other" category. 33.8 per 36 @ .633 TS.

They’re 4-8

it's just 12 games, do you have any doubt the Bucks will finish at least 4th in the East?
Giannis is posting 33.3 ppg (#1 in the league), 12.5 Rebs and 5.5 AST with only 2.8 To's on 63 TS% - that's pretty wild.
ORTG 124, DRTG 111 - Bucks have been really good with him on the floor

he's got the worst coach in the league, his co-star has been chucking 9+ 3's a game converting only on like 34.5%, his number 3 is a max player sitting on the bench in street clothes and has yet to play this season and Brook Lopez will turn 37 in a couple of months

the Bucks won't stay down for too long and even as it stands, that type of season trumps a few wins. guys shouldn't get credit for what their teammates are doing. for example, Tatum or Mitchell haven't been better or more valuable to their teams than Giannis thus far in this short season

The question is who is leading the mvp race right now and at this point Giannis has no case right now

And far to be a lock that the bucks finish top 4 in the east...They have been complete garbage since they have Doc Rivers as head coach...They are what they are at this point

[Woodsanity]

Nuggets without Jokic can't even beat a poverty Pelicans team with half their team injured....

Without Jokic they would be dead last in the West.

[Alatan]

Nuggets without Jokic can't even beat a poverty Pelicans team with half their team injured....

Without Jokic they would be dead last in the West.

It would be a tough battle with the Jazz but Murrays shot selection would get them through.

[MavsDirk41]

Joker by a landslide right now

[MarcusBrody]

SGA is a nice guy that has a complete game. Doesn’t complain no I a great team mate and leader...what’s up with all the hate he gets? Is it backlash from the drake Kdot beef where people hate Canadians now?

I think it's that he seems to get a very favorable whistle for pretty soft contact at times. He's not actually averaging that many free throws a game this year, though. He's 5th, but veyr much with the pack rather than the outliers at the top (AD, Giannis, and to a lesser extent Tatum).

So I'm going to have to conclude that everyone hates Canadians.

[AleksandarN]

If AD stays healthy ... It's gonna be AD Or my boy Luka

Luka? AD? Over Jokic. Luka is not even close to top 10 right now

[Green89]

New NBA.com MVP ladder. It looks a little better than the goofy list they put out after the first week, although they seem to value winning in some cases more than others.

1. Nikola Jokić, Denver Nuggets
2. Jayson Tatum, Boston Celtics
3. Kevin Durant, Phoenix Suns
4. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Oklahoma City Thunder
5. Anthony Davis, Los Angeles Lakers

The next five:
6. Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
7. Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks
8. Luka Dončić, Dallas Mavericks
9. Donovan Mitchell, Cleveland Cavaliers
10. LeBron James, Los Angeles Lakers

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-nov-15-2024-edition?lid=6luy5eeplxfq&cid=nba:dynpage:own:email:daily:link:eg:nl:eng:t-crm:US:en:20241115:DAILY_NEWSLETTER:THE_ZONE:&lctg=60131c9357e5b245cceedcd4

Close, but I'd put SGA over Durant and Mitchell over Doncic.

[SlimShady83]

If AD stays healthy ... It's gonna be AD Or my boy Luka

Luka? AD? Over Jokic. Luka is not even close to top 10 right now

I said Luka b4 the season even started and also said Knicks/Dallas finals, I don't change my mind because they not In the running, I stick to my guns no matter what.

[AleksandarN]

If AD stays healthy ... It's gonna be AD Or my boy Luka

Luka? AD? Over Jokic. Luka is not even close to top 10 right now

I said Luka b4 the season even started and also said Knicks/Dallas finals, I don't change my mind because they not In the running, I stick to my guns no matter what.

You can say you are running more than Luka is running on defense

[CobraCommander]

SGA is a nice guy that has a complete game. Doesn’t complain no I a great team mate and leader...what’s up with all the hate he gets? Is it backlash from the drake Kdot beef where people hate Canadians now?

I think it's that he seems to get a very favorable whistle for pretty soft contact at times. He's not actually averaging that many free throws a game this year, though. He's 5th, but veyr much with the pack rather than the outliers at the top (AD, Giannis, and to a lesser extent Tatum).

So I'm going to have to conclude that everyone hates Canadians.

Yeah all super stars get calls and complain when they don’t and I don’t remember one time SGA got a tech for yelling about NOT getting a call.

Maybe refs just like him cause he is genuinely a nice guy -

And yeah everyone generally hate Canadians for being decent good humans with funny accents and sarcasm -

I only hate Drake but the rest of them are great lol

[GSP]

SGA is well placed to win. The Thunder will keep rolling with Chet out, then voters will say 'Shai got the Thunder to a much better record than the Nuggets with no Chet, and Jokic has won enough lately. Let's have someone new, Shai deserves it'.

Shai doesn’t deserve it. Jokic has a way bigger carry job. Look at tonight the Nuggets lose to the Pelicans who were missing their top 6 of 8 players. If Jokic keeps it up no one will come close.

That's voter fatigue. It cuts both ways, given that there are guys who arguably could have won some of Jokic's MVPs if they didn't have that working against them. I will agree that based purely on perf9rmance, Jokic should be #1 so far.

Its def Shais to lose. Playoff history matters for Mvp voting even tho its a regular season award and shouldnt matter.

Jokic wouldve 3peated Mvp and gotten Embiids if he went further in playoffs but there was loud talks of this guy shouldnt have 3 Mvps w/ 0 rings or early playoff exits. Nuggets had the biggest game 7 choke ever at home last we saw them in playoffs. Shai was 2nd in Mvp last season and some thought he shouldve won it if he and Jokic continue to dominate Shai will have the narrative no doubt

[GSP]

Suns look like some trash w/o Kd and Book looks washed at 28 ............his stock has gone up even tho he hasnt played in a while

1-3 w/o him only win was the worst team in the league in Utah. They were 8-1 w/ him and he had absurd clutch numbers that he carried them to wins they prolly shouldnt have. Their expected win loss record by point margin is 6-7 but they sit at 9-4

I would put him 4th right now behind Jokic, Sga, Jayson but he will miss more time and players in their 30s dont win Mvp. Last one was Steve Nash 20 years ago lol and Karl Malone in 90s before him

[Wolfgang630]

How the hell did Booker become to bad? Same dude who put up 70 against Boston years ago.

[Special_Puppy]

Shai doesn’t deserve it. Jokic has a way bigger carry job. Look at tonight the Nuggets lose to the Pelicans who were missing their top 6 of 8 players. If Jokic keeps it up no one will come close.

That's voter fatigue. It cuts both ways, given that there are guys who arguably could have won some of Jokic's MVPs if they didn't have that working against them. I will agree that based purely on perf9rmance, Jokic should be #1 so far.

Its def Shais to lose. Playoff history matters for Mvp voting even tho its a regular season award and shouldnt matter.

Jokic wouldve 3peated Mvp and gotten Embiids if he went further in playoffs but there was loud talks of this guy shouldnt have 3 Mvps w/ 0 rings or early playoff exits. Nuggets had the biggest game 7 choke ever at home last we saw them in playoffs. Shai was 2nd in Mvp last season and some thought he shouldve won it if he and Jokic continue to dominate Shai will have the narrative no doubt

SGA's Thunder also went out in the 2nd round to a team that they were favored to beat (and similar to Jokic it wasn't really SGA's fault)

[RB34]

Shai doesn’t deserve it. Jokic has a way bigger carry job. Look at tonight the Nuggets lose to the Pelicans who were missing their top 6 of 8 players. If Jokic keeps it up no one will come close.

That's voter fatigue. It cuts both ways, given that there are guys who arguably could have won some of Jokic's MVPs if they didn't have that working against them. I will agree that based purely on perf9rmance, Jokic should be #1 so far.

Its def Shais to lose. Playoff history matters for Mvp voting even tho its a regular season award and shouldnt matter.

Jokic wouldve 3peated Mvp and gotten Embiids if he went further in playoffs but there was loud talks of this guy shouldnt have 3 Mvps w/ 0 rings or early playoff exits. Nuggets had the biggest game 7 choke ever at home last we saw them in playoffs. Shai was 2nd in Mvp last season and some thought he shouldve won it if he and Jokic continue to dominate Shai will have the narrative no doubt

It’s Shais to lose but playoff history matters?

The thunder beat the injury riddled Pels who weren’t even a playoff team at that point then got absolutely dog walked by the Mavs.