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[flaco]

Imagine wanting to trade Dame for the PooPoo player of average nba rotation players and crap picks....

Straw man argument. Nobody wants what you are saying.

[msiris]

blow it up.

[randy84]

Imagine wanting to trade Dame for the PooPoo player of average nba rotation players and crap picks....

Depends on your view of Dame. I see three camps here.

1) Dame is an All-NBA team talent. Just need more time and some coaching adjustments and he and Giannis will get us to the ECF at a minimum.

2) Dame is an All-NBA talent, but he doesn’t fit with Giannis. The team actually plays better when one guy is out.

3) Dame is a rich-man’s Mo Williams. The logo threes are spectacular, but the Coby White’s and Duncan Robinson’s of the world have career nights against him.

15-months ago I was at #1. I’m now somewhere between #2 and #3 right now. Add in that he’s 34 and it feels like we need to sell for future assets before his value evaporates due to age.

Well I will go back to the same question I always have. What PG fits with Giannis? Bledsoe didn't fit. Jrue didn't fit. Dame don't fit. I don't think Steph would fit because he needs the ball in his hand too. Luka certainly wouldn't fit. So who is out there?

[-Jragon-]

Imagine wanting to trade Dame for the PooPoo player of average nba rotation players and crap picks....

Depends on your view of Dame. I see three camps here.

1) Dame is an All-NBA team talent. Just need more time and some coaching adjustments and he and Giannis will get us to the ECF at a minimum.

2) Dame is an All-NBA talent, but he doesn’t fit with Giannis. The team actually plays better when one guy is out.

3) Dame is a rich-man’s Mo Williams. The logo threes are spectacular, but the Coby White’s and Duncan Robinson’s of the world have career nights against him.

15-months ago I was at #1. I’m now somewhere between #2 and #3 right now. Add in that he’s 34 and it feels like we need to sell for future assets before his value evaporates due to age.

You aren't wrong now and you weren't wrong when you were at #1... said coaching and adjustments you were waiting for just never came and it's going to get worse and Doc stated to the press that he wants to be even more hands off and not call any plays from the sideline. Inmates are running this bs asylum... sad part is that we aren't a bad team.. talent alone has us losing tons of games by just a few points. ANY coaching whatsoever would result in winning streaks

[ShootingtheJ]

Imagine wanting to trade Dame for the PooPoo player of average nba rotation players and crap picks....

Depends on your view of Dame. I see three camps here.

1) Dame is an All-NBA team talent. Just need more time and some coaching adjustments and he and Giannis will get us to the ECF at a minimum.

2) Dame is an All-NBA talent, but he doesn’t fit with Giannis. The team actually plays better when one guy is out.

3) Dame is a rich-man’s Mo Williams. The logo threes are spectacular, but the Coby White’s and Duncan Robinson’s of the world have career nights against him.

15-months ago I was at #1. I’m now somewhere between #2 and #3 right now. Add in that he’s 34 and it feels like we need to sell for future assets before his value evaporates due to age.

Well I will go back to the same question I always have. What PG fits with Giannis? Bledsoe didn't fit. Jrue didn't fit. Dame don't fit. I don't think Steph would fit because he needs the ball in his hand too. Luka certainly wouldn't fit. So who is out there?

Steph would be a phenomenal fit. Whoever it is, they need to be able to shoot off the catch. First stint George Hill was a great fit. Someone like him, but better.

[-Jragon-]

Depends on your view of Dame. I see three camps here.

1) Dame is an All-NBA team talent. Just need more time and some coaching adjustments and he and Giannis will get us to the ECF at a minimum.

2) Dame is an All-NBA talent, but he doesn’t fit with Giannis. The team actually plays better when one guy is out.

3) Dame is a rich-man’s Mo Williams. The logo threes are spectacular, but the Coby White’s and Duncan Robinson’s of the world have career nights against him.

15-months ago I was at #1. I’m now somewhere between #2 and #3 right now. Add in that he’s 34 and it feels like we need to sell for future assets before his value evaporates due to age.

Well I will go back to the same question I always have. What PG fits with Giannis? Bledsoe didn't fit. Jrue didn't fit. Dame don't fit. I don't think Steph would fit because he needs the ball in his hand too. Luka certainly wouldn't fit. So who is out there?

Steph would be a phenomenal fit. Whoever it is, they need to be able to shoot off the catch. First stint George Hill was a great fit. Someone like him, but better.

We would ruin Steph.. he'd make a 3.. shimmy shake and then our idiots won't give him the ball for 20 min because they want to see if they got that fire too

[paulpressey25]

Well I will go back to the same question I always have. What PG fits with Giannis? Bledsoe didn't fit. Jrue didn't fit. Dame don't fit. I don't think Steph would fit because he needs the ball in his hand too. Luka certainly wouldn't fit. So who is out there?

Jrue, Bledsoe and George Hill all fit. Jrue really fit. The issue was more missing some other talent on the team.

When Khris Middleton played like Kawhi in 2021 we didn’t have problems.

When PJ was able to play a banging stretch 4-5 for us, less problems.

When Donte was actually healthy, we had a mobile, passing free safety guy that worked.

Jrue wasn’t the problem. We’re learning that lesson in hindsight unfortunately

[randy84]

Well I will go back to the same question I always have. What PG fits with Giannis? Bledsoe didn't fit. Jrue didn't fit. Dame don't fit. I don't think Steph would fit because he needs the ball in his hand too. Luka certainly wouldn't fit. So who is out there?

Jrue, Bledsoe and George Hill all fit. Jrue really fit. The issue was more missing some other talent on the team.

When Khris Middleton played like Kawhi in 2021 we didn’t have problems.

When PJ was able to play a banging stretch 4-5 for us, less problems.

When Donte was actually healthy, we had a mobile, passing free safety guy that worked.

Jrue wasn’t the problem. We’re learning that lesson in hindsight unfortunately

So if it was the other talent on the team that was the problem and not Jrue, why couldn't that be the case now? The other talent on this team certainly isn't as good as those years you are talking about and Dame hasn't had the privilege to play with Kawhi-level Middleton.

The reality is that Middleton can't stay healthy, Brook is playing the worst basketball of his career and there isn't a PJ Tucker, Donte, or George Hill on this team. But somehow everyone expects them to better than they were with those guys and if they aren't then it must be Dame's fault. That makes no sense.

[raferfenix]

Depends on your view of Dame. I see three camps here.

1) Dame is an All-NBA team talent. Just need more time and some coaching adjustments and he and Giannis will get us to the ECF at a minimum.

2) Dame is an All-NBA talent, but he doesn’t fit with Giannis. The team actually plays better when one guy is out.

3) Dame is a rich-man’s Mo Williams. The logo threes are spectacular, but the Coby White’s and Duncan Robinson’s of the world have career nights against him.

15-months ago I was at #1. I’m now somewhere between #2 and #3 right now. Add in that he’s 34 and it feels like we need to sell for future assets before his value evaporates due to age.

I haven’t given up on #1 but if it’s really #2 (even aside from #3) then we gotta make a move fast.

Dame’s value drops dramatically just as he gets older much less if an injury hits. And that contract could easily become a boat anchor

[paulpressey25]

So if it was the other talent on the team that was the problem and not Jrue, why couldn't that be the case now? The other talent on this team certainly isn't as good as those years you are talking about and Dame hasn't had the privilege to play with Kawhi-level Middleton.

The reality is that Middleton can't stay healthy, Brook is playing the worst basketball of his career and there isn't a PJ Tucker, Donte, or George Hill on this team. But somehow everyone expects them to better than they were with those guys and if they aren't then it must be Dame's fault. That makes no sense.

Not all Dame’s fault the team is 4-9. To your point part of that is injuries and decline of talent. But at the same time Dame is uniquely bad on defense. And the NBA has figured out how to exploit it.

[fan230]

Well I will go back to the same question I always have. What PG fits with Giannis? Bledsoe didn't fit. Jrue didn't fit. Dame don't fit. I don't think Steph would fit because he needs the ball in his hand too. Luka certainly wouldn't fit. So who is out there?

Jrue, Bledsoe and George Hill all fit. Jrue really fit. The issue was more missing some other talent on the team.

When Khris Middleton played like Kawhi in 2021 we didn’t have problems.

When PJ was able to play a banging stretch 4-5 for us, less problems.

When Donte was actually healthy, we had a mobile, passing free safety guy that worked.

Jrue wasn’t the problem. We’re learning that lesson in hindsight unfortunately

I agree that Jrue Bled Hill all fit and maybe Brogdon too. Dame is a great individual scorer but fits poorly with Giannis.

A creating pg should work well with Giannis, and not a score first pg and especially not one who needs Giannis to do a lot of screening for him.

[ShootingtheJ]

Well I will go back to the same question I always have. What PG fits with Giannis? Bledsoe didn't fit. Jrue didn't fit. Dame don't fit. I don't think Steph would fit because he needs the ball in his hand too. Luka certainly wouldn't fit. So who is out there?

Steph would be a phenomenal fit. Whoever it is, they need to be able to shoot off the catch. First stint George Hill was a great fit. Someone like him, but better.

We would ruin Steph.. he'd make a 3.. shimmy shake and then our idiots won't give him the ball for 20 min because they want to see if they got that fire too

Nope, we'd be great to him because he's a great teammate. He gives effort on defense. He's unselfish. Basically, he's the opposite of Dame.

[ShootingtheJ]

So if it was the other talent on the team that was the problem and not Jrue, why couldn't that be the case now? The other talent on this team certainly isn't as good as those years you are talking about and Dame hasn't had the privilege to play with Kawhi-level Middleton.

The reality is that Middleton can't stay healthy, Brook is playing the worst basketball of his career and there isn't a PJ Tucker, Donte, or George Hill on this team. But somehow everyone expects them to better than they were with those guys and if they aren't then it must be Dame's fault. That makes no sense.

Not all Dame’s fault the team is 4-9.

Correct, he only participated in 2 wins and 8 losses.

[German Athens]

What would Jaden mcdaniels cost?

On one hand he’s a top flight defender who’s very versatile - he put Murray in a box last playoffs, and he’s also got the size and mobility to capably guard all the way up to the Tatum’s of the world, but he’s quite limited offensively and already getting paid.

[randy84]

So if it was the other talent on the team that was the problem and not Jrue, why couldn't that be the case now? The other talent on this team certainly isn't as good as those years you are talking about and Dame hasn't had the privilege to play with Kawhi-level Middleton.

The reality is that Middleton can't stay healthy, Brook is playing the worst basketball of his career and there isn't a PJ Tucker, Donte, or George Hill on this team. But somehow everyone expects them to better than they were with those guys and if they aren't then it must be Dame's fault. That makes no sense.

Not all Dame’s fault the team is 4-9. To your point part of that is injuries and decline of talent. But at the same time Dame is uniquely bad on defense. And the NBA has figured out how to exploit it.

Teams have learned how to exploit them because there is no help for Dame or Giannis. Both those guys cause the opposing team to double or triple team them which means they have to force a shot or hope the the subpar roster guys can hit a shot which doesn't happen very often.

I would also ask how other teams make it work having one bad defender? I mean JKidd has two bad defenders in their backcourt and they seem to have made it work. Warriors won many titles with Curry being a sub-par defender.

My main point is that this is a roster issue not a Dame issue. They have too much money allocated to guys who aren't playing (Mids), old and declining (Brook) or aren't even full time starters (Pat and Bobby). They are relying on unwanted, league minimum guys to fill starting spots on their roster, who if they play good are gone the next year or whose talents are declining. Those guys should be back-ups not starters. The Bucks need to cut the dead weight (Mids, Brook, Pat, maybe Bobby) to get out of the 2nd apron and build a roster around Giannis and Dame.

[JRoy]

Dame is a top 20 player in the league. Giannis may be the 2nd best player in the league. We got enough top-end talent to win it all. What we need is reshuffle the pieces around them.

My targets would be Santi Aldama and Matisse Thybulle (injured right now, but should be nothing serious). Not sure about the exact trade packages. I think both are realistic targets.

Dame - Thybulle - Mids - Aldama - Giannis

Thybulle provides much needed elite POA defense. Aldama is a stretch swing/mobile big who can defend the perimeter (unlike BroLo). Revert to a switch-heavy scheme. Dame pre-switches and peels off to the corners.

You said you weren’t sure what a package for Thybulle might look like. Did you have the bones of a proposal?

[ReasonablySober]

Dame is a top 20 player in the league. Giannis may be the 2nd best player in the league. We got enough top-end talent to win it all. What we need is reshuffle the pieces around them.

My targets would be Santi Aldama and Matisse Thybulle (injured right now, but should be nothing serious). Not sure about the exact trade packages. I think both are realistic targets.

Dame - Thybulle - Mids - Aldama - Giannis

Thybulle provides much needed elite POA defense. Aldama is a stretch swing/mobile big who can defend the perimeter (unlike BroLo). Revert to a switch-heavy scheme. Dame pre-switches and peels off to the corners.

You said you weren’t sure what a package for Thybulle might look like. Did you have the bones of a proposal?

Do you just search Blazers or do you visit every board daily to check their trade threads? I'm honestly curious.

[JRoy]

Dame is a top 20 player in the league. Giannis may be the 2nd best player in the league. We got enough top-end talent to win it all. What we need is reshuffle the pieces around them.

My targets would be Santi Aldama and Matisse Thybulle (injured right now, but should be nothing serious). Not sure about the exact trade packages. I think both are realistic targets.

Dame - Thybulle - Mids - Aldama - Giannis

Thybulle provides much needed elite POA defense. Aldama is a stretch swing/mobile big who can defend the perimeter (unlike BroLo). Revert to a switch-heavy scheme. Dame pre-switches and peels off to the corners.

You said you weren’t sure what a package for Thybulle might look like. Did you have the bones of a proposal?

Do you just search Blazers or do you visit every board daily to check their trade threads? I'm honestly curious.

Adios, then. Sheesh.

[ReasonablySober]

You said you weren’t sure what a package for Thybulle might look like. Did you have the bones of a proposal?

Do you just search Blazers or do you visit every board daily to check their trade threads? I'm honestly curious.

Adios, then. Sheesh.

You show up, like magic, every time a Blazers trade is proposed. I like your perspective, but like I said I was just curious.

[-Jragon-]

Steph would be a phenomenal fit. Whoever it is, they need to be able to shoot off the catch. First stint George Hill was a great fit. Someone like him, but better.

We would ruin Steph.. he'd make a 3.. shimmy shake and then our idiots won't give him the ball for 20 min because they want to see if they got that fire too

Nope, we'd be great to him because he's a great teammate. He gives effort on defense. He's unselfish. Basically, he's the opposite of Dame.

Bad take ... smh