FUTURE DRAFT GAMES - NEW THREAD 2/21/22

[Larry_Russell]

Exclusion draft.

"Best" player for each team since 1980

Hawks: Wilkins
Celtics: Bird
Nets: Kidd
Hornets: Kemba
Bulls: Jordan
Cavs: Lebron
Mavs: Dirk
Denver: Jokic
Pistons: Thomas
GSW: Curry
Rockets: Hakeem
Pacers: Reggie
Clippers: Paul
Lakers: Magic
Memphis: Marc Gasol
Heat: Wade
Bucks: Giannis
Timberwolves: Garnett
Pelicans: A. Davis
Knicks: Ewing
Thunder: Durant
Magic: Shaq
76ers: Erving
Suns: Nash
Blazers: Drexler
Kings: Chris Webber
Spurs: Duncan
Raptors: Kawhi
Jazz: Malone
Wizards: Arenas or Beal?


Force some new teams to be drafted.

[durantbird]

Exclusion draft.

"Best" player for each team since 1980

Hawks: Wilkins
Celtics: Bird
Nets: Kidd
Hornets: Kemba
Bulls: Jordan
Cavs: Lebron
Mavs: Dirk
Denver: Jokic
Pistons: Thomas
GSW: Curry
Rockets: Hakeem
Pacers: Reggie
Clippers: Paul
Lakers: Magic
Memphis: Marc Gasol
Heat: Wade
Bucks: Giannis
Timberwolves: Garnett
Pelicans: A. Davis
Knicks: Ewing
Thunder: Durant
Magic: Shaq
76ers: Erving
Suns: Nash
Blazers: Drexler
Kings: Chris Webber
Spurs: Duncan
Raptors: Kawhi
Jazz: Malone
Wizards: Arenas or Beal?


Force some new teams to be drafted.

Sounds interesting though we did have a similar concept by excluding three top scorers for each franchise.

I'd like to try Fade's 1 2 3 idea though it might be more challenging than it looks at first and maybe requires some adjustments. (Allow another champion who wasn't All NBA?)

[Fadeaway_J]

Exclusion draft.

"Best" player for each team since 1980

Hawks: Wilkins
Celtics: Bird
Nets: Kidd
Hornets: Kemba
Bulls: Jordan
Cavs: Lebron
Mavs: Dirk
Denver: Jokic
Pistons: Thomas
GSW: Curry
Rockets: Hakeem
Pacers: Reggie
Clippers: Paul
Lakers: Magic
Memphis: Marc Gasol
Heat: Wade
Bucks: Giannis
Timberwolves: Garnett
Pelicans: A. Davis
Knicks: Ewing
Thunder: Durant
Magic: Shaq
76ers: Erving
Suns: Nash
Blazers: Drexler
Kings: Chris Webber
Spurs: Duncan
Raptors: Kawhi
Jazz: Malone
Wizards: Arenas or Beal?


Force some new teams to be drafted.

Sounds interesting though we did have a similar concept by excluding three top scorers for each franchise.

I'd like to try Fade's 1 2 3 idea though it might be more challenging than it looks at first and maybe requires some adjustments. (Allow another champion who wasn't All NBA?)

Just to be clear, what would be the challenge with the rules as stated?

I would want to keep them as simple as possible.

[durantbird]

Exclusion draft.

"Best" player for each team since 1980

Hawks: Wilkins
Celtics: Bird
Nets: Kidd
Hornets: Kemba
Bulls: Jordan
Cavs: Lebron
Mavs: Dirk
Denver: Jokic
Pistons: Thomas
GSW: Curry
Rockets: Hakeem
Pacers: Reggie
Clippers: Paul
Lakers: Magic
Memphis: Marc Gasol
Heat: Wade
Bucks: Giannis
Timberwolves: Garnett
Pelicans: A. Davis
Knicks: Ewing
Thunder: Durant
Magic: Shaq
76ers: Erving
Suns: Nash
Blazers: Drexler
Kings: Chris Webber
Spurs: Duncan
Raptors: Kawhi
Jazz: Malone
Wizards: Arenas or Beal?


Force some new teams to be drafted.

Sounds interesting though we did have a similar concept by excluding three top scorers for each franchise.

I'd like to try Fade's 1 2 3 idea though it might be more challenging than it looks at first and maybe requires some adjustments. (Allow another champion who wasn't All NBA?)

Just to be clear, what would be the challenge with the rules as stated?

I would want to keep them as simple as possible.

When trying to simulate it myself, I just ran too many times into the annoying limitation which basically prevents most of the teams to use any role players who won a championship. That's a high percentage of the frequently used role players, especially when you are mostly prevented from most All Defense guys. It felt basically like some version of the No Rings draft with an exception and additional twists, and I felt like there should be some incentive to take guys like Aaron Gordon or Rasheed Wallace.

It's doable but I felt the limitation was a bit too harsh and preferred it would be softened a bit. I think it would still be challenging enough with my addition, but it's your call.

[Fadeaway_J]

Sounds interesting though we did have a similar concept by excluding three top scorers for each franchise.

I'd like to try Fade's 1 2 3 idea though it might be more challenging than it looks at first and maybe requires some adjustments. (Allow another champion who wasn't All NBA?)

Just to be clear, what would be the challenge with the rules as stated?

I would want to keep them as simple as possible.

When trying to simulate it myself, I just ran too many times into the annoying limitation which basically prevents most of the teams to use any role players who won a championship. That's a high percentage of the frequently used role players, especially when you are mostly prevented from most All Defense guys. It felt basically like some version of the No Rings draft with an exception and additional twists, and I felt like there should be some incentive to take guys like Aaron Gordon or Rasheed Wallace.

It's doable but I felt the limitation was a bit too harsh and preferred it would be softened a bit. I think it would still be challenging enough with my addition, but it's your call.

I guess it could be changed to multiple championships.

[Laimbeer]

Just to be clear, what would be the challenge with the rules as stated?

I would want to keep them as simple as possible.

When trying to simulate it myself, I just ran too many times into the annoying limitation which basically prevents most of the teams to use any role players who won a championship. That's a high percentage of the frequently used role players, especially when you are mostly prevented from most All Defense guys. It felt basically like some version of the No Rings draft with an exception and additional twists, and I felt like there should be some incentive to take guys like Aaron Gordon or Rasheed Wallace.

It's doable but I felt the limitation was a bit too harsh and preferred it would be softened a bit. I think it would still be challenging enough with my addition, but it's your call.

I guess it could be changed to multiple championships.

I say the original was sound. Would drafting different role players be so bad? We keep recycling the same old names. Finding new ones would be a challenge.

[durantbird]

When trying to simulate it myself, I just ran too many times into the annoying limitation which basically prevents most of the teams to use any role players who won a championship. That's a high percentage of the frequently used role players, especially when you are mostly prevented from most All Defense guys. It felt basically like some version of the No Rings draft with an exception and additional twists, and I felt like there should be some incentive to take guys like Aaron Gordon or Rasheed Wallace.

It's doable but I felt the limitation was a bit too harsh and preferred it would be softened a bit. I think it would still be challenging enough with my addition, but it's your call.

I guess it could be changed to multiple championships.

I say the original was sound. Would drafting different role players be so bad? We keep recycling the same old names. Finding new ones would be a challenge.

Ok I'll be in either way

[Saul Goodman]

Said it in another thread but I’d love to get a GMAT game going again. Full current CBA rules. I think it would be really fun and wacky with how much the league has changed since we last ran one.

[durantbird]

So what about the AI draft? Last time it was proposed, there were no signups because there was no idea with limitations

What about trying to ChatGPT draft with the idea proposed in the thread

One player who is a one-time MVP or one time FMVP

One player who is a four teams traveler

One Nuggets season

One Philadelphia season

One Golden State season

One Miami season

One Memphis season

One Detroit season

[Fadeaway_J]

So what about the AI draft? Last time it was proposed, there were no signups because there was no idea with limitations

What about trying to ChatGPT draft with the idea proposed in the thread

One player who is a one-time MVP or one time FMVP

One player who is a four teams traveler

One Nuggets season

One Philadelphia season

One Golden State season

One Miami season

One Memphis season

One Detroit season

We're already using ChatGPT for the current draft.

[durantbird]

So what about the AI draft? Last time it was proposed, there were no signups because there was no idea with limitations

What about trying to ChatGPT draft with the idea proposed in the thread

One player who is a one-time MVP or one time FMVP

One player who is a four teams traveler

One Nuggets season

One Philadelphia season

One Golden State season

One Miami season

One Memphis season

One Detroit season

We're already using ChatGPT for the current draft.

Didn't even know that

[Fadeaway_J]

So what about the AI draft? Last time it was proposed, there were no signups because there was no idea with limitations

What about trying to ChatGPT draft with the idea proposed in the thread

One player who is a one-time MVP or one time FMVP

One player who is a four teams traveler

One Nuggets season

One Philadelphia season

One Golden State season

One Miami season

One Memphis season

One Detroit season

We're already using ChatGPT for the current draft.

Didn't even know that

I had mentioned it in the thread of Larry's draft.

At this point I'm very much interested in any alternative to chasing people around for votes.

[Snakebites]

I'm still not wild about the whole AI thing. Over time if people care about winning it will lead to us shaping teams that an AI thinks are good, and the AI is trained by all sorts of stuff that may or may not be based on reality. It doesn't "understand" the game, it just generally knows what understanding sorta looks like. It wasn't a non-starter for me for one game but it's not a direction I particularly want things headed broadly.

I totally get why people hate the voting process in these, though.

[Fadeaway_J]

I'm still not wild about the whole AI thing. Over time if people care about winning it will lead to us shaping teams that an AI thinks are good, and the AI is trained by all sorts of stuff that may or may not be based on reality. It doesn't "understand" the game, it just generally knows what understanding sorta looks like. It wasn't a non-starter for me for one game but it's not a direction I particularly want things headed broadly.

I totally get why people hate the voting process in these, though.

In principle, I broadly agree with you. Looking back on the example Larry shared, the response was more detailed than I expected, but it's still missing a lot of the nuance in terms of fit, matchups, etc. It's definitely not my preferred method of deciding a draft.

With that said, I look at the last few drafts where playoffs have dragged on for ages, and I'm just about ready to try anything else. Half the drafters usually can't be bothered to participate once the draft is over, so we just get the same people voting over and over again (even in situations where their votes can literally decide their next opponnents), and I find my interest has mostly waned by the time we reach the semis. Also, at least this way I don't have to bother with a writeup.

[Snakebites]

I'm still not wild about the whole AI thing. Over time if people care about winning it will lead to us shaping teams that an AI thinks are good, and the AI is trained by all sorts of stuff that may or may not be based on reality. It doesn't "understand" the game, it just generally knows what understanding sorta looks like. It wasn't a non-starter for me for one game but it's not a direction I particularly want things headed broadly.

I totally get why people hate the voting process in these, though.

In principle, I broadly agree with you. Looking back on the example Larry shared, the response was more detailed than I expected, but it's still missing a lot of the nuance in terms of fit, matchups, etc. It's definitely not my preferred method of deciding a draft.

With that said, I look at the last few drafts where playoffs have dragged on for ages, and I'm just about ready to try anything else. Half the drafters usually can't be bothered to participate once the draft is over, so we just get the same people voting over and over again (even in situations where their votes can literally decide their next opponnents), and I find my interest has mostly waned by the time we reach the semis. Also, at least this way I don't have to bother with a writeup.

Yeah, I agree.

I just think the potential impact on how teams are built in these will be...unfortunate. Unfortunately as lousy as the process of voting is at least it means we're building teams with a human understanding of how the game works in mind.

[durantbird]

We might overreact on voting being dragged. It could be much worse... Eventually we get things done with the voting, but maybe an occasional break from voting will recharge the energies people can spend on this

[Fadeaway_J]

We might overreact on voting being dragged. It could be much worse... Eventually we get things done with the voting, but maybe an occasional break from voting will recharge the energies people can spend on this

I've been playing these since 2017, and the voting has been a problem for a good chunk of that time. I know I mentioned the last few drafts, but it's been like this for several years.

Even before the participation started to decline, we had to gradually reduce the number of votes required to decide a matchup. Things like the hybrid system (rankings + playoffs) and the 24 hour rule were also created in reaction to slow voting. And we already people (including me) admitting that they simply don't like the voting process, so I don't think a break is going to make much difference.

[Snakebites]

We might overreact on voting being dragged. It could be much worse... Eventually we get things done with the voting, but maybe an occasional break from voting will recharge the energies people can spend on this

I've been playing these since 2017, and the voting has been a problem for a good chunk of that time. I know I mentioned the last few drafts, but it's been like this for several years.

Even before the participation started to decline, we had to gradually reduce the number of votes required to decide a matchup. Things like the hybrid system (rankings + playoffs) and the 24 hour rule were also created in reaction to slow voting. And we already people (including me) admitting that they simply don't like the voting process, so I don't think a break is going to make much difference.

It's also a symptom of a larger problem.

If we had a healthy and evolving player base we could impose and enforce rules that need to be followed including the need to vote on these things. But we don't.

[durantbird]

I don't remember if we have done it.

Nineties players - players who have played at least one game in the 90s, but can be picked in any season. So you can pick prime Bird or KG.

[Fadeaway_J]

I don't remember if we have done it.

Nineties players - players who have played at least one game in the 90s, but can be picked in any season. So you can pick prime Bird or KG.

We only did it once, in 2017.