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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#61 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 12:59 am

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Dont know about that they beat us by 8 n 6 points both games the bucks lead they had no KP we had no midds dont think the Cs are that much better thsn we are record aside


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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#62 » by old skool » Mon Dec 2, 2024 1:13 am

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HKPackFan wrote:Happy I got to make this one, and happy my short trip to WI included a Bucks W.

Defense was ugly at times, but they did what they had to do. Not gonna complain about seeing a 40pt burger with a triple double from giannis.

Also some fun bombs from dame. I saw the time on the clock before halftime and realized I should take my phone out and just got to record dame as he hit the buzzer beater. That was fun.

Got to participate in an MVP chant towards the end of the game, I haven't done that in a long time.

I also heard an AJ Green chant late in the game, that was a first. Nice to see him beginning to become a fan favorite.

Also that Celtics scout nearby never left his seat the entire game until a late 3 sealed with a minute or so left. Then he ran out of there clutching his scouting report like he was holding some world secrets.


What did he learn???

Giannis is really really good at basketball.


As an early Green supporter (way before he was signed by the Bucks), I do think he has the potential to be better than Grayson Allen.

Green has a much quicker release, which in the NBA is very valuable. Allen attacks the basket better, but he still isn't good at it. Green has started to take the midrange. He has to do that or be relegated to sitting in the corner his entire career.

Allen got a lot better on defense than when he started (he was horrific) and probably is quicker than Green, but we aren't talking about a big advantage.

If Green could learn a floater it would make him much more valuable.


I love that green has added the midrange shot to his game. I like that if they come up on him as a 3pt threat he can blow passed the defender and has that, shot available. It definitely makes him more dangerous.

Also agreed his release is quicker. Grayson fades in the playoffs. His scoring ability is reduced as soon as teams are playing for his shot and he doesn't have the wide open 3 available. It's a reason so many of our 3pt guys disappear in the playoffs.

I'm encouraged by greens quick release, his developing midrange move, and his on ball defense. I think he keeps working these last 2 and he can be impactful in the playoffs.
I am excited about Green's development, but we should not get ahead ourselves anointing him a superior playoff performer than Grayson Allen.

Green shot 18% from 3 point last season (2-11). Allen is a career 40% shooter from 3-point. In his last Bucks playoffs he shot 48% from 3-point.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#63 » by blazza18 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 1:20 am

Fanbase gets rock hard over younger dudes that show anything and just say a bunch of **** that isn't true :lol:
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Post#64 » by chonestown » Mon Dec 2, 2024 3:50 am

blazza18 wrote:Fanbase gets rock hard over younger dudes that show anything and just say a bunch of **** that isn't true :lol:


If I cannot get excited a bout my young suns (various Bucks named AJ), then what is there too be excited about?
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#65 » by emunney » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:47 am

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blazza18 wrote:Fanbase gets rock hard over younger dudes that show anything and just say a bunch of **** that isn't true :lol:


If I cannot get excited a bout my young suns (various Bucks named AJ), then what is there too be excited about?


Also, I can't say for sure if it's true or not, but I for sure believe that Green and Allen are in different categories as shooters. Allen is a very good shooter. Green is scary. Important distinction.
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Post#66 » by BUCKnation » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:56 am

I do think Green is a better man to man defender than Grayson. He’s done super well on an island against guys like Mitchell, Butler, Brown (players that would have and already have eaten up Grayson).
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#67 » by blazza18 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 6:58 am

emunney wrote:Also, I can't say for sure if it's true or not, but I for sure believe that Green and Allen are in different categories as shooters. Allen is a very good shooter. Green is scary. Important distinction.


I'm not there with Green as a shooter yet but he's improving in areas where I saw him struggle last year and I can't ask for much more so far.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#68 » by Fotis St » Mon Dec 2, 2024 9:16 am

mediocrityrules wrote:We just seem to be a bit lacklustre on the boards. JV their only true rebounding threat and they still beat us on rebounding.
Brook with his casual 0 boards helps opponents win the tallest frontcourt in the league.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#69 » by Fotis St » Mon Dec 2, 2024 9:26 am

BigO wrote:Lopez had a decent scoring game, but can he get a rebound:

AJJ-9 rebounds in 26 minutes
Dame-5 rebounds in 39 minutes
BP-6 rebounds in 23 minutes
Trent-4 rebounds in 19 minutes
Lopez- 0 rebounds in 35 minutes

Can a 7 footer actually get no defensive rebounds in 35 minutes? I know the answer. His elite block outs are responsible for every other players rebounds.


Brook can only block out opponent's center. He can't block out the whole opponent team. How many offensive rebounds did his opponent get ? The "elite" block out player usually misses his block out to the only man he is responsible of. He is just too old to do anything more than we already know he is doing.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#70 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon Dec 2, 2024 10:50 am

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BigO wrote:Lopez had a decent scoring game, but can he get a rebound:

AJJ-9 rebounds in 26 minutes
Dame-5 rebounds in 39 minutes
BP-6 rebounds in 23 minutes
Trent-4 rebounds in 19 minutes
Lopez- 0 rebounds in 35 minutes

Can a 7 footer actually get no defensive rebounds in 35 minutes? I know the answer. His elite block outs are responsible for every other players rebounds.


Brook can only block out opponent's center. He can't block out the whole opponent team. How many offensive rebounds did his opponent get ? The "elite" block out player usually misses his block out to the only man he is responsible of. He is just to old to do anything more than we already know he is doing.

Let's look at some fun numbers for the Bobby guys.

In the 25 minutes Brook and Giannis were on the court together we had a DRB% of 87.5%.
In the 13 minutes Giannis and Bobby were on the court together we had a DRB% of 61.5%.

On the season the Bucks defensive rebounding percentage with Bobby next to Giannis compared to Brook drops from 76.1% to 67%. Obviously there's lineup differentials on every team but for reference currently the top defensive rebounding team in the league has a 74.3% DRB% while 67% would be the third worst. Sadly the "rebounds equals defense!" adage holds up here as well as the Bucks are 10.3 points better defensively with Brook next to Giannis than Bobby.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#71 » by Sigra » Mon Dec 2, 2024 12:12 pm

Brook has been and always shall be the best C for Giannis. Damn aging :nonono:

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Post#72 » by German Athens » Mon Dec 2, 2024 1:48 pm

Yeah, Green is in a different category than Grayson as a shooter even if his percentages come down some.

Just look at some of the attempts.

The rip through one dribble pull up in Herro’s face from two games ago, and the sprinting away from the hoop just to turn 120 degrees and fire with a guy contesting from last game.

Those are pretty absurd attempts, and he happened to make both.

Grayson was a very good shooter who would almost exclusively take open and wide open shots. He had a somewhat slow hitching release that was almost a set shot. He had to be on platform, could not fire on high movement, and could not get shots off under heavy duress.

Green is comfortable with movement, off platform, and under duress. His percentages are likely to come down (48% on tightly contested threes with over 1 attempt per game, and 40% on pull-ups), but he looks the part of a real shooter.


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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#73 » by Fotis St » Mon Dec 2, 2024 1:54 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Fotis St wrote:
BigO wrote:Lopez had a decent scoring game, but can he get a rebound:

AJJ-9 rebounds in 26 minutes
Dame-5 rebounds in 39 minutes
BP-6 rebounds in 23 minutes
Trent-4 rebounds in 19 minutes
Lopez- 0 rebounds in 35 minutes

Can a 7 footer actually get no defensive rebounds in 35 minutes? I know the answer. His elite block outs are responsible for every other players rebounds.


Brook can only block out opponent's center. He can't block out the whole opponent team. How many offensive rebounds did his opponent get ? The "elite" block out player usually misses his block out to the only man he is responsible of. He is just to old to do anything more than we already know he is doing.

Let's look at some fun numbers for the Bobby guys.

In the 25 minutes Brook and Giannis were on the court together we had a DRB% of 87.5%.
In the 13 minutes Giannis and Bobby were on the court together we had a DRB% of 61.5%.

On the season the Bucks defensive rebounding percentage with Bobby next to Giannis compared to Brook drops from 76.1% to 67%. Obviously there's lineup differentials on every team but for reference currently the top defensive rebounding team in the league has a 74.3% DRB% while 67% would be the third worst. Sadly the "rebounds equals defense!" adage holds up here as well as the Bucks are 10.3 points better defensively with Brook next to Giannis than Bobby.


Team rebounding line up stats to show that Brook is better than Bobby at rebounding and a better fit is ultimate trolling. Giannis should have less rebounding duties so he can score +10 more fast break points per game. Was Lebron stupid having Kevin Love do the hard work rebounding and first passing it to him? It did wonders for Lebron's success , he continued the same strat we AD and won another ring. Bucks are just a stupid org, that minimized Giannis to a 1 ring and multiple playoff exits. To be fair ... Giannis IQ is far far far less than Lebron's , he prefers keeping friends around than winning rings.

For your stats ... there is a reason behind it ... Giannis plays fresh with Brook and gassed out with Portis. Brook is a situational Center at this point of his age and NBA's 6'9 Center era
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#74 » by BigO » Mon Dec 2, 2024 2:14 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:
Fotis St wrote:
BigO wrote:Lopez had a decent scoring game, but can he get a rebound:

AJJ-9 rebounds in 26 minutes
Dame-5 rebounds in 39 minutes
BP-6 rebounds in 23 minutes
Trent-4 rebounds in 19 minutes
Lopez- 0 rebounds in 35 minutes

Can a 7 footer actually get no defensive rebounds in 35 minutes? I know the answer. His elite block outs are responsible for every other players rebounds.


Brook can only block out opponent's center. He can't block out the whole opponent team. How many offensive rebounds did his opponent get ? The "elite" block out player usually misses his block out to the only man he is responsible of. He is just to old to do anything more than we already know he is doing.

Let's look at some fun numbers for the Bobby guys.

In the 25 minutes Brook and Giannis were on the court together we had a DRB% of 87.5%.
In the 13 minutes Giannis and Bobby were on the court together we had a DRB% of 61.5%.

On the season the Bucks defensive rebounding percentage with Bobby next to Giannis compared to Brook drops from 76.1% to 67%. Obviously there's lineup differentials on every team but for reference currently the top defensive rebounding team in the league has a 74.3% DRB% while 67% would be the third worst. Sadly the "rebounds equals defense!" adage holds up here as well as the Bucks are 10.3 points better defensively with Brook next to Giannis than Bobby.


I didn't realize there are only two guys on the court at one time in the NBA; which is the only way your stats make sense.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#75 » by KidA24 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 4:14 pm

BigO wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:
Fotis St wrote:
Brook can only block out opponent's center. He can't block out the whole opponent team. How many offensive rebounds did his opponent get ? The "elite" block out player usually misses his block out to the only man he is responsible of. He is just to old to do anything more than we already know he is doing.

Let's look at some fun numbers for the Bobby guys.

In the 25 minutes Brook and Giannis were on the court together we had a DRB% of 87.5%.
In the 13 minutes Giannis and Bobby were on the court together we had a DRB% of 61.5%.

On the season the Bucks defensive rebounding percentage with Bobby next to Giannis compared to Brook drops from 76.1% to 67%. Obviously there's lineup differentials on every team but for reference currently the top defensive rebounding team in the league has a 74.3% DRB% while 67% would be the third worst. Sadly the "rebounds equals defense!" adage holds up here as well as the Bucks are 10.3 points better defensively with Brook next to Giannis than Bobby.


I didn't realize there are only two guys on the court at one time in the NBA; which is the only way your stats make sense.


Wait... wait... so.... none of Bobby's individual stats make sense either?
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Post#76 » by BigO » Mon Dec 2, 2024 5:42 pm

KidA24 wrote:
BigO wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:Let's look at some fun numbers for the Bobby guys.

In the 25 minutes Brook and Giannis were on the court together we had a DRB% of 87.5%.
In the 13 minutes Giannis and Bobby were on the court together we had a DRB% of 61.5%.

On the season the Bucks defensive rebounding percentage with Bobby next to Giannis compared to Brook drops from 76.1% to 67%. Obviously there's lineup differentials on every team but for reference currently the top defensive rebounding team in the league has a 74.3% DRB% while 67% would be the third worst. Sadly the "rebounds equals defense!" adage holds up here as well as the Bucks are 10.3 points better defensively with Brook next to Giannis than Bobby.


I didn't realize there are only two guys on the court at one time in the NBA; which is the only way your stats make sense.


Wait... wait... so.... none of Bobby's individual stats make sense either?


PM me when you have time and I will set you straight. No charge.
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Re: PG Washington: 6 Straight 

Post#77 » by KidA24 » Mon Dec 2, 2024 5:46 pm

BigO wrote:
KidA24 wrote:
BigO wrote:
I didn't realize there are only two guys on the court at one time in the NBA; which is the only way your stats make sense.


Wait... wait... so.... none of Bobby's individual stats make sense either?


PM me when you have time and I will set you straight. No charge.


Nah, I've watched you make things up to support your personal narratives here for years, I don't waste my time with **** like that.
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Post#78 » by BigO » Mon Dec 2, 2024 10:02 pm

KidA24 wrote:
BigO wrote:
KidA24 wrote:
Wait... wait... so.... none of Bobby's individual stats make sense either?


PM me when you have time and I will set you straight. No charge.


Nah, I've watched you make things up to support your personal narratives here for years, I don't waste my time with **** like that.


Really? You're on RealGM and you don't waste your time? :noway: Settle down youngster.

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