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Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm

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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#381 » by Jalen Bluntson » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:54 am

Let's just see what the 3rd quarter brings. We were struggling against the Hornets the first half of that game too. Something definitely looks off though. Brunson looks like he's playing hurt or drunk. KAT kicking dudes in the balls. OG falling down like an old man. Wait, that's normal.

Pick it up fellas. You look like ass.
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#382 » by HEZI » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:54 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:They're 9-22 from three, 40.9%.


They make 11 per game on average at 34%. Our coach is allowing teams to shoot threes like this because he wants the paint locked down at all costs. This will continue to happen, teams will have outlier nights from three against us because it's 1 pass and open.


You know how I know these dudes suck at defense? They can’t even protect the paint :lol:

The one thing the coach is scheming them to do they can’t even do. Raps are killing is in the paint too. And you really think they can defend the 3? Lmao




They have 24 points in the paint, they have 27 points from the 3 point line. I'm really not sure why you're so willing to throw the whole team under the bus outside of OG, you're basically all alone with this take. Everyone can see it's 1 screen, and sometimes no dribble penetration but just a skip pass because the weak side guy is sinking down to help in anticipation of a drive.

The Raptors average 11 threes a game, they had 9 in that half.


You clearly don’t see how slow we are on rotations. They are lazy and incapable to defend. Do you not see how the swing passes are coming from dribble drives? They can’t stop the ball handler from getting in the paint. Once that breaks your defense is screwed without rim protection. You are giving up layups and 3s just as we are seeing now. They can’t defend, not on the switch and not in drop. The last option is zone because they absolutely stink
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#383 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:54 am

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kNicksGmen wrote:Raptors average 11 of 33 from deep. They're 9 of 22. Our defense is designed to "force" teams to beat us from 3. Teams that don't even want to shoot 3s can't pass them up.

Exactly. They're taking what the defense gives: WIDE open 3's all night.



Like every other game it's some random dude going off from the corner, the worst one so far was the Hawks rookie that turned into prime Ray Allen against us.

Dick had 2 wide open looks because someone helped on a drive that didn't even need to, luckily he missed.
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#384 » by K_ick_God » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:55 am

TKKnicks1 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:In the end we need a Hartenstein


Or a Mitchenstein


Nah Mitch doesn’t bring the same
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#385 » by Iron Mantis » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:55 am

IF we go on a 3+ game losing streak with guys like OG playing 40+ minutes....you have to wonder WTH are we really doing here...
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#386 » by kNicksGmen » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:55 am

Hoping for the best but this has all the feels of us losing in embarrassing fashion

Hope I'm wrong and they come out strong in the 3rd.
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#387 » by kNicksGmen » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:56 am

HEZI wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HEZI wrote:
You know how I know these dudes suck at defense? They can’t even protect the paint :lol:

The one thing the coach is scheming them to do they can’t even do. Raps are killing is in the paint too. And you really think they can defend the 3? Lmao




They have 24 points in the paint, they have 27 points from the 3 point line. I'm really not sure why you're so willing to throw the whole team under the bus outside of OG, you're basically all alone with this take. Everyone can see it's 1 screen, and sometimes no dribble penetration but just a skip pass because the weak side guy is sinking down to help in anticipation of a drive.

The Raptors average 11 threes a game, they had 9 in that half.


You clearly don’t see how slow we are on rotations. They are lazy and incapable to defend. Do you not see how the swing passes are coming from dribble drives? They can’t stop the ball handler from getting in the paint. Once that breaks your defense is screwed without rim protection. You are giving up layups and 3s just as we are seeing now. They can’t defend, not on the switch and not in drop. The last option is zone because they absolutely stink

They basically never switch. They should do it more but thibs doesn't believe in it.
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#388 » by ctorres » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:57 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:
kNicksGmen wrote:Raptors average 11 of 33 from deep. They're 9 of 22. Our defense is designed to "force" teams to beat us from 3. Teams that don't even want to shoot 3s can't pass them up.

Exactly. They're taking what the defense gives: WIDE open 3's all night.



Like every other game it's some random dude going off from the corner, the worst one so far was the Hawks rookie that turned into prime Ray Allen against us.

Dick had 2 wide open looks because someone helped on a drive that didn't even need to, luckily he missed.


Drop coverage if executed right is supposed to limit the kickouts to corner 3's.
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#389 » by K_ick_God » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:57 am

We don’t really know what we want to do

When push comes to shove it shows
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#390 » by Capn'O » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:58 am

This is the tmac anniversary. Everyone is playing huge minutes. Also, Thibs is a maniac.

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Guano wrote:Really bugs me that they pronounce poeltl like there is an R in it.

Two ls don't make an r

He needs to change it to Purtle if he's gonna pull that ****


Thank you.
Its ridiculous to just add an R.


The O isn't as egregious but that makes it more nefarious.

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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#391 » by K_ick_God » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:58 am

Question is if Thibs can finesse it and maybe make things click

He doesn’t *seem* imaginative enough
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#392 » by Iron Mantis » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:58 am

For the amount of talent we have...this team is underachieving thus far
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#393 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:59 am

HEZI wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HEZI wrote:
You know how I know these dudes suck at defense? They can’t even protect the paint :lol:

The one thing the coach is scheming them to do they can’t even do. Raps are killing is in the paint too. And you really think they can defend the 3? Lmao




They have 24 points in the paint, they have 27 points from the 3 point line. I'm really not sure why you're so willing to throw the whole team under the bus outside of OG, you're basically all alone with this take. Everyone can see it's 1 screen, and sometimes no dribble penetration but just a skip pass because the weak side guy is sinking down to help in anticipation of a drive.

The Raptors average 11 threes a game, they had 9 in that half.


You clearly don’t see how slow we are on rotations. They are lazy and incapable to defend. Do you not see how the swing passes are coming from dribble drives? They can’t stop the ball handler from getting in the paint. Once that breaks your defense is screwed without rim protection. You are giving up layups and 3s just as we are seeing now. They can’t defend, not on the switch and not in drop. The last option is zone because they absolutely stink




:lol:


They aren't even getting into the paint on some of these drives, the last 2 shots Dick missed were completely wide open because someone helped on the drive because that's what the coach wants. I'll say again, you're alone with this take. We had IHart, OG and Josh in the playoffs last season and had a 120 DRTG, which is the same as the Wizards this season. We could defend better if the coach treated the three with the same respect he treats protecting the paint.

Let me guess, Precious can't defend now too?
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#394 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Dec 10, 2024 1:59 am

Capn'O wrote:This is the tmac anniversary. Everyone is playing huge minutes. Also, Thibs is a maniac.

Guano wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Two ls don't make an r

He needs to change it to Purtle if he's gonna pull that ****


Thank you.
Its ridiculous to just add an R.


The O isn't as egregious but that makes it more nefarious.

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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#395 » by Capn'O » Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:00 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote: the worst one so far was the Hawks rookie that turned into prime Ray Allen against us.


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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#396 » by WaltFrazier » Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:01 am

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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#397 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:02 am

Capn'O wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote: the worst one so far was the Hawks rookie that turned into prime Ray Allen against us.


Pinochet?

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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#398 » by K_ick_God » Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:02 am

We give up a lot of O boards
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Re: Game Thread: New York Knicks vs. Toronto Raptors Mon, Dec 9th, 2024/ 7:30pm 

Post#399 » by HEZI » Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:03 am

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HEZI wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:


They have 24 points in the paint, they have 27 points from the 3 point line. I'm really not sure why you're so willing to throw the whole team under the bus outside of OG, you're basically all alone with this take. Everyone can see it's 1 screen, and sometimes no dribble penetration but just a skip pass because the weak side guy is sinking down to help in anticipation of a drive.

The Raptors average 11 threes a game, they had 9 in that half.


You clearly don’t see how slow we are on rotations. They are lazy and incapable to defend. Do you not see how the swing passes are coming from dribble drives? They can’t stop the ball handler from getting in the paint. Once that breaks your defense is screwed without rim protection. You are giving up layups and 3s just as we are seeing now. They can’t defend, not on the switch and not in drop. The last option is zone because they absolutely stink




:lol:


They aren't even getting into the paint on some of these drives, the last 2 shots Dick missed were completely wide open because someone helped on the drive because that's what the coach wants. I'll say again, you're alone with this take. We had IHart, OG and Josh in the playoffs last season and had a 120 DRTG, which is the same as the Wizards this season. We could defend better if the coach treated the three with the same respect he treats protecting the paint.

Let me guess, Precious can't defend now too?


You watched the entire half and decided to highlight one play choosing to ignore what happened especially in the 2nd quarter. I see you

Oh look another RJ drive and Poeltl layup oh look Barnes another layup but you don’t see it though lmao
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