Former Raptor discussion thread 3.0

[WaltFrazier]

Og annual salary: 43 milly per year. 14/4/3

RJ annual salary: 25 milly per year. 30/8/4

So it's settled then once and for all. The secondary piece of the OG trade return is better than OG, aka the invisible man. At almost half the cap hit. Yep yep.

it almost feel personal. who care's RJ 25, OJ 43. OJ is unique. He can defend at a level that is exceptional. He's worth it in the right situation.

Also to say any trade evaluation is "settled" after a year is just stupid. What if RJ keeps scoring well but Raps take years to get anywhere in playoffs. What if Knicks get to the ECF, and OG makes All Defense? So many variables can happen.

[WaltFrazier]

Og annual salary: 43 milly per year. 14/4/3

RJ annual salary: 25 milly per year. 30/8/4

So it's settled then once and for all. The secondary piece of the OG trade return is better than OG, aka the invisible man. At almost half the cap hit. Yep yep.

I like both players and don't want to get sucked into a debate but you weren't watching the game if you thought OG was invisible tonight. He had some big defensive plays.

And the stat line of 14/4/3 omits the 3 blocks and 2 steals.

[Los_29]

Og annual salary: 43 milly per year. 14/4/3

RJ annual salary: 25 milly per year. 30/8/4

So it's settled then once and for all. The secondary piece of the OG trade return is better than OG, aka the invisible man. At almost half the cap hit. Yep yep.

it almost feel personal. who care's RJ 25, OJ 43. OJ is unique. He can defend at a level that is exceptional. He's worth it in the right situation.

Also to say any trade evaluation is "settled" after a year is just stupid. What if RJ keeps scoring well but Raps take years to get anywhere in playoffs. What if Knicks get to the ECF, and OG makes All Defense? So many variables can happen.

He also shouldn’t just use box score stats. Yes RJ is putting up 24/7/6 but he’s doing it inefficiently while having a ridiculously high usage rate and providing mediocre defense. People can talk about his increased assist numbers but he’s not really getting better as a passer, he’s just got the ball a lot more.

If RJ can get back to what he was like last year with us then that’s a good player to have. If not, then it’s better to have a player that hits threes and defends (although not have to pay him 45 million a year like the Knicks are with OG).

[WuTang_CMB]

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[ATLTimekeeper]

it almost feel personal. who care's RJ 25, OJ 43. OJ is unique. He can defend at a level that is exceptional. He's worth it in the right situation.

Also to say any trade evaluation is "settled" after a year is just stupid. What if RJ keeps scoring well but Raps take years to get anywhere in playoffs. What if Knicks get to the ECF, and OG makes All Defense? So many variables can happen.

He also shouldn’t just use box score stats. Yes RJ is putting up 24/7/6 but he’s doing it inefficiently while having a ridiculously high usage rate and providing mediocre defense. People can talk about his increased assist numbers but he’s not really getting better as a passer, he’s just got the ball a lot more.

If RJ can get back to what he was like last year with us then that’s a good player to have. If not, then it’s better to have a player that hits threes and defends (although not have to pay him 45 million a year like the Knicks are with OG).

I think RJ is still one of the best PnR players in the league this year per ppp of total outcomes. I think you underestimate how valuable that is to half court offensive function, as it's the highest frequency play in basketball. The people who cite at usage don't really understand what good usage and bad usage really looks like. He's not a ball pounder. The ball doesn't stick with him. He plays fast and gets the team into their offense to create rotations.

OG remains a frill. Perimeter defense is cheap. I don't see the point in comparing contracts because OG is on his 3rd and RJ his second. They will both be overpaid in a couple of years.

[mdenny]

Og annual salary: 43 milly per year. 14/4/3

RJ annual salary: 25 milly per year. 30/8/4

So it's settled then once and for all. The secondary piece of the OG trade return is better than OG, aka the invisible man. At almost half the cap hit. Yep yep.

I like both players and don't want to get sucked into a debate but you weren't watching the game if you thought OG was invisible tonight. He had some big defensive plays.

And the stat line of 14/4/3 omits the 3 blocks and 2 steals.

If RJ shot 20% from 3 and had 14 points while OG dropped 30....let's face it, you'd be spamming this thread.

[PushDaRock]

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Look at the score though, now we have teams with that score at the half sometimes.

[WuTang_CMB]

This sequence was incredible

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Look at the score though, now we have teams with that score at the half sometimes.

which makes it even more impressive

[tecumseh18]

Keith Smith's list of underrated players for each team.

https://basketballbulletin.substack.com/p/underrated-players-for-each-nba-team

Portland - Dalano Banton

This was another rough one. Portland has had guys either injured or playing poorly most of the year. But Dalano Banton has been neither.

Call it “good stats, bad team” if you want, but Banton has been the Blazers most productive and efficient scorer this year. He gets to where he wants on the floor and uses his great size to get his shots off. There’s not a whole lot happening but scoring, but Portland hasn’t asked Banton to do much more than score. Quality production from a guy on a minimum deal.

I mean, he's only shooting 43.3% from the floor. 38.5% from three on 3.5 attempts per game. Jakob numbers from the charity stripe. Averaging 10 points, 2.3 rebounds and 2.6 assists (1.7 TOs) in 17 minutes per game.

I suppose I'd rather have him than Davion, but the Davion trade was good so I wouldn't want a do-over there. Meh.

[causal_fan]

Question for knowledgeable fans - Chauncey Billups had a very productive career and was the #3 pick in the 1997 draft yet Boston traded him before his rookie year was finished and the Raptors traded him after 29 games. Why?

[ItsDanger]

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Wonder if he was more patient here, might have gotten an opportunity.

[tecumseh18]

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But Draymond still salty about 2019. But why? He accepted Zaza putting Kawhi out of that series, and the championship that followed.

[GP2]

Question for knowledgeable fans - Chauncey Billups had a very productive career and was the #3 pick in the 1997 draft yet Boston traded him before his rookie year was finished and the Raptors traded him after 29 games. Why?

Late bloomer? Nobody talks about Billups pre-Pistons.

[ItsDanger]

Question for knowledgeable fans - Chauncey Billups had a very productive career and was the #3 pick in the 1997 draft yet Boston traded him before his rookie year was finished and the Raptors traded him after 29 games. Why?

Pitino had just taken over the Celtics and wanted a more experienced PG. So they got Kenny Anderson from Raps (who wasn't reporting here after being included in Stoudamire trade) for Billups.

Why did Raps trade Billups? He was trash in early days and if you weren't confident in extending these guys (after 3 years), better off trading them. At that time, retaining players here was a major problem.

[WaltFrazier]

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But Draymond still salty about 2019. But why? He accepted Zaza putting Kawhi out of that series, and the championship that followed.

Great to see Norm doing well, appearing on here as an established star in the league. He's funny, sincere and down to earth in interview settings

[WaltFrazier]

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Wonder if he was more patient here, might have gotten an opportunity.

Glad to see him doing well anyway. Three straight starts, double figure scoring. Still on a two way contact I think, hopefully his career lasts for a few years yet.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Question for knowledgeable fans - Chauncey Billups had a very productive career and was the #3 pick in the 1997 draft yet Boston traded him before his rookie year was finished and the Raptors traded him after 29 games. Why?

He was involved in an alleged rape that year in Boston. Settled a civil suit a few years later. It might have been hot potato with a potential toxic asset.

[mdenny]

Fred van vleet.

It's amazing that he has become the most traditional point guard on the most traditional team when all you fools called him "an undersized shooting guard".

I still remember when ppl here were hyping Terence Davis and flynn.

The poster Brinbe in particular was hyping Flynn incessantly for like two years in a row.
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Fred van vleet won a title with a viking yell during his third year as a pro.

[nikster]

Keith Smith's list of underrated players for each team.

https://basketballbulletin.substack.com/p/underrated-players-for-each-nba-team

Portland - Dalano Banton

This was another rough one. Portland has had guys either injured or playing poorly most of the year. But Dalano Banton has been neither.

Call it “good stats, bad team” if you want, but Banton has been the Blazers most productive and efficient scorer this year. He gets to where he wants on the floor and uses his great size to get his shots off. There’s not a whole lot happening but scoring, but Portland hasn’t asked Banton to do much more than score. Quality production from a guy on a minimum deal.

I mean, he's only shooting 43.3% from the floor. 38.5% from three on 3.5 attempts per game. Jakob numbers from the charity stripe. Averaging 10 points, 2.3 rebounds and 2.6 assists (1.7 TOs) in 17 minutes per game.

I suppose I'd rather have him than Davion, but the Davion trade was good so I wouldn't want a do-over there. Meh.

He's +6% better than his career averages from 3 on a small sample and is still is only 52TS% overall.

I'm not sure he's better than Davion

[Blazing_royale]

Justin Champagnie is killing it on the wizards; wonder why we dropped him