Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion

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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#141 » by Snakebites » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:02 pm

DCasey91 wrote:
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I picked Lowry because he has amazing splits especially for 3 pointers in 2017 (7.8 attempts at 41.2%) for the main PG over CP3. And Reggie for split SG/SF time between Russell/Rodman/Reggie for SF rotation. My reasoning is the first two will match with any perimeter player

I still keep the 20 3's at above 38%. Thing is AI legit judged the teams 1 vs 1. So I'd rather have a two way player just in case. (not that it might work coz it said Stockton was mid on defence and liked Kleber on D figure that out? Lol). But yeah it all depends on how it's judged because better AI will have more accurate stuff but AI comes up with wild stuff all the time

Hence why I tried to cover my bases. God forbid the AI doesn't rate CP3 on defence as highly or marks down shooting/score creation so with Reggie I didn't want to take that chance defensively. I do think the backcourt is better with Lowry/Oli

But who knows I guess I might start Miller at SF we'll see.

FYI we’re only using AI if the matchup is stuck.

I had Miller ahead of CP on my list because I was confident I could get a point guard who fit well with Barkley in round 3.

If I was assured CP would be paired with an elite roll man like Malone or AD I might have felt differently though.



Ohhhh got ya, still like the Lowry pick

I have the rotations at this roughly:

PG: Lowry (38) Oladipo (10)
SG: Oladipo (28), Miller (20)
SF: Miller (if I want to start 12), Russell 28, Rodman 8
PF: Rodman 30, Davis 10, 8*
C: Davis 28, 20*

How does that look?


I think it depends on the matchup. Are you using Pistons Rodman or Bulls? Piston Rodman could guard perimeter players. I’d rather have Reggie potentially on a star guard than a star small forward- it depends on where you can hide him.

I’d personally use Dipo as a super sub.

I wouldn’t overthink it. People use Reggie at the two fairly regularly with great success. His defense isn’t that scary if you have enough D around him, which you do.
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#142 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:11 pm

DCasey91 wrote:
Snakebites wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
I picked Lowry because he has amazing splits especially for 3 pointers in 2017 (7.8 attempts at 41.2%) for the main PG over CP3. And Reggie for split SG/SF time between Russell/Rodman/Reggie for SF rotation. My reasoning is the first two will match with any perimeter player

I still keep the 20 3's at above 38%. Thing is AI legit judged the teams 1 vs 1. So I'd rather have a two way player just in case. (not that it might work coz it said Stockton was mid on defence and liked Kleber on D figure that out? Lol). But yeah it all depends on how it's judged because better AI will have more accurate stuff but AI comes up with wild stuff all the time

Hence why I tried to cover my bases. God forbid the AI doesn't rate CP3 on defence as highly or marks down shooting/score creation so with Reggie I didn't want to take that chance defensively. I do think the backcourt is better with Lowry/Oli

But who knows I guess I might start Miller at SF we'll see.

FYI we’re only using AI if the matchup is stuck.

I had Miller ahead of CP on my list because I was confident I could get a point guard who fit well with Barkley in round 3.

If I was assured CP would be paired with an elite roll man like Malone or AD I might have felt differently though.



Ohhhh got ya, still like the Lowry pick

I have the rotations at this roughly:

PG: Lowry (38) Oladipo (10)
SG: Oladipo (28), Miller (20)
SF: Miller (if I want to start 12), Russell 28, Rodman 8
PF: Rodman 30, Davis 10, 8*
C: Davis 28, 20*

How does that look?


are you using bulls or pistons rodman?

I personally dont think Bulls rodman was great at SF and I personally dont think Pistons rodman would be great at PF.

He was very wirey and thin in Detroit and bulked up a bunch when playing for Chicago.

I would just give Rodman (if Chicago) all his minutes at PF

Lowry (38) / Dipo (10)
Miller (24) / Dipo (24)
Russell (34) / Miller (14)
Rodman (38) / ??? (10)
Davis (38) / ??? (10)
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#143 » by durantbird » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:16 pm

DCasey91 wrote:
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DCasey91 wrote:Lowry
Oladipo
Russell
Rodman
Davis

Bench
Miller

What was looking like my worst draft is turning out the best lmao. I legit haven't got a problem defensively on anyone. Switch or man defence. Sick having Oli/Russ/Rodman for outside and Rodman/Davis for inside


Personally I would start Reggie to give a little more offensive punch and put Russell on the bench.


Thing is I don't know how the AI works. Don't think it takes into consideration positional value and evaulated it on a 1 to 1 basis and obviously we know thats not how basketball is played. My offense is fine imho with Lowry 22ppg, Oladipo 23 and Davis 28

3.2/7.8 41.2%
2.15/5.8 37.1%
1.35/3.3 40.9%
0.7/2.2 32%
0.4/1.2 31.7%

These are the 3 balls too btw 7.8/20.3 38.4% on the 5.

AI is only gonna be a single vote when a matchup is stuck
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#144 » by DCasey91 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:24 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
Snakebites wrote:FYI we’re only using AI if the matchup is stuck.

I had Miller ahead of CP on my list because I was confident I could get a point guard who fit well with Barkley in round 3.

If I was assured CP would be paired with an elite roll man like Malone or AD I might have felt differently though.



Ohhhh got ya, still like the Lowry pick

I have the rotations at this roughly:

PG: Lowry (38) Oladipo (10)
SG: Oladipo (28), Miller (20)
SF: Miller (if I want to start 12), Russell 28, Rodman 8
PF: Rodman 30, Davis 10, 8*
C: Davis 28, 20*

How does that look?


are you using bulls or pistons rodman?

I personally dont think Bulls rodman was great at SF and I personally dont think Pistons rodman would be great at PF.

He was very wirey and thin in Detroit and bulked up a bunch when playing for Chicago.

I would just give Rodman (if Chicago) all his minutes at PF


Lowry (38) / Dipo (10)
Miller (24) / Dipo (24)
Russell (34) / Miller (14)
Rodman (38) / ??? (10)
Davis (38) / ??? (10)


92 Pistons Rodman, was 30, 18+ rebounds plus a godly 7 DWS, strength was fine imo at PF (and obviously SF spot minutes.)

My theory was with Oli/Russell/Rodman/Davis plus a chop out Center I'm not worried with any star offensive player on positions 2-5. Even 1 it's still Oli or Lowry. If he's smaller perimeter or non big PF Oli/Russell/Rodman rotating on him or bigger Rodman/Davis

So I can definety play switch or man D easily. Rodman has a crazy high inherit defensive value in terms of versatality
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#145 » by Snakebites » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:32 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
Snakebites wrote:FYI we’re only using AI if the matchup is stuck.

I had Miller ahead of CP on my list because I was confident I could get a point guard who fit well with Barkley in round 3.

If I was assured CP would be paired with an elite roll man like Malone or AD I might have felt differently though.



Ohhhh got ya, still like the Lowry pick

I have the rotations at this roughly:

PG: Lowry (38) Oladipo (10)
SG: Oladipo (28), Miller (20)
SF: Miller (if I want to start 12), Russell 28, Rodman 8
PF: Rodman 30, Davis 10, 8*
C: Davis 28, 20*

How does that look?


are you using bulls or pistons rodman?

I personally dont think Bulls rodman was great at SF and I personally dont think Pistons rodman would be great at PF.

He was very wirey and thin in Detroit and bulked up a bunch when playing for Chicago.

I would just give Rodman (if Chicago) all his minutes at PF

Lowry (38) / Dipo (10)
Miller (24) / Dipo (24)
Russell (34) / Miller (14)
Rodman (38) / ??? (10)
Davis (38) / ??? (10)

Pistons Rodman could guard anyone. Especially late Pistons.
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#146 » by Snakebites » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:55 pm

DCasey91 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
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Ohhhh got ya, still like the Lowry pick

I have the rotations at this roughly:

PG: Lowry (38) Oladipo (10)
SG: Oladipo (28), Miller (20)
SF: Miller (if I want to start 12), Russell 28, Rodman 8
PF: Rodman 30, Davis 10, 8*
C: Davis 28, 20*

How does that look?


are you using bulls or pistons rodman?

I personally dont think Bulls rodman was great at SF and I personally dont think Pistons rodman would be great at PF.

He was very wirey and thin in Detroit and bulked up a bunch when playing for Chicago.

I would just give Rodman (if Chicago) all his minutes at PF


Lowry (38) / Dipo (10)
Miller (24) / Dipo (24)
Russell (34) / Miller (14)
Rodman (38) / ??? (10)
Davis (38) / ??? (10)


92 Pistons Rodman, was 30, 18+ rebounds plus a godly 7 DWS, strength was fine imo at PF (and obviously SF spot minutes.)

My theory was with Oli/Russell/Rodman/Davis plus a chop out Center I'm not worried with any star offensive player on positions 2-5. Even 1 it's still Oli or Lowry. If he's smaller perimeter or non big PF Oli/Russell/Rodman rotating on him or bigger Rodman/Davis

So I can definety play switch or man D easily. Rodman has a crazy high inherit defensive value in terms of versatality

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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#147 » by parsnips33 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:01 pm

I love the roleplayer portion of the draft
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Post#148 » by wackbone » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:16 pm

MadNESS wrote:In

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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#149 » by Snakebites » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:30 pm

This is a pretty rich pool for role players despite several of the classic options not being available.
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#150 » by MadNESS » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:45 pm

parsnips33 wrote:I love the roleplayer portion of the draft


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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#151 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:59 pm

parsnips33 wrote:I love the roleplayer portion of the draft



Me too.

I used to draft with only 12-14 FGA on the bench and try to eek out a slightly better starting lineup, but I like trying to find guys who can give 20 mins off the bench and trying to build a deep team.
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Post#152 » by durantbird » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:21 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:In but I'd prefer no AI

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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#153 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:36 pm

DCasey91 wrote:
durantbird wrote:Marc Gasol

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Gasol played 53 grizz and 26 raps, 44 reg games raptors I was looking at him

That shouldn't count imo

Please don't post general comments in the draft thread.

In any case, the numbers you posted prove that he is eligible. Opinion doesn't come into it.
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Post#154 » by parsnips33 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:39 pm

I was surprised Gasol lasted so long before realizing that only his 2020 version would be eligible. Still, a good pick
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#155 » by Dr Positivity » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:40 pm

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Gasol played 26 and 44 reg games raptors I was looking at him

That shouldn't count imo


They're legal if they played 50% of the games so 2020 counts.



The next rule stats 50% or more games to be for the chosen club which isn't (grizz is out). I had Gasol ranked way earlier but the math doesn't work

The first season he played more for the Grizz

The rules make him ineligble.


He is ineligible in 2019 but eligible in 2020 where he played 44 of 72 games.
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#156 » by DCasey91 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:42 pm

Wait 2020 isn't eligible

The rule states 50% or more for the selected clubs in games

Marc Gasol doesn't qualify under the rules

26 isn't close to 50%
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#157 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:46 pm

DCasey91 wrote:Wait 2020 isn't eligible

The rule states 50% or more for the selected clubs in games

Marc Gasol doesn't qualify under the rules

26 isn't close to 50%

He played 44 games in 2019-20. That's the season durantbird is using. Why do you keep mentioning 26 games?
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#158 » by DCasey91 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:48 pm

Wait I'm stupid and can't read apologies everyone once again my dumb*ss thought it was 50 min games to qualify lol

Great pick, absolute steal this late
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#159 » by parsnips33 » Wed Dec 11, 2024 8:49 pm

DCasey91 wrote:Wait I'm stupid and can't read apologies everyone once again my dumb*ss thought it was 50 min games to quality lol

Great pick, absolute steal this late


No worries, it is kinda confusing
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Re: Thanksgiving Leftovers Draft (90s and on) - Discussion 

Post#160 » by durantbird » Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:02 pm

parsnips33 wrote:I was surprised Gasol lasted so long before realizing that only his 2020 version would be eligible. Still, a good pick

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