Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[fansinceforever]

I've been warming up to the idea that the Bucks should probably and likely will have to stand firm with the roster they have. We're pretty much at league wide gridlock with the Apron rules.

That and most theoretical trades are a definite "No" from the other team or leave us with less talent and/or even larger holes than we currently have.

[Daver]

Present day Dame isn't HOF Dame, that was Dame in his 20s. Dame won't even be an All-Star this year.

What's that bet look like.

Agree dudes on crack if he thinks dame isnt a all star this year

[BigO]

I don’t get why you keep using per-100 rebounding stats because that’s a completely pace reliant number that doesn’t really mean anything, but if you think that we can’t run a small-ball crew against Boston, then I have no idea how you otherwise expect to beat them. It shouldn’t be rocket science when you already have the most defensively versatile 4/5 in the league.

Per 100 is pace reliant? Is that a typo?

Per 100 for rebounds is much more a factor of how many 3s you shoot and your opponents do.

If your shooting percentage is lower cuz you shoot more threes there are more rebounds available.

I'm not sure what the point about rebounding is.That it's not important? Even the stats on Boston show that the year they were at the top in rebounding is the year they won the title. Rebounding is neither determinative nor unimportant.

Guru Bud said that the key to good defense are these three things:

I) Be a good defensive rebounding team
2) Get back on defense-limit fast breaks
3) Limit foul shots

Rebounding was clearly one of the issues in last night being such a close game. Bucks shot 55% to 44% and it was even more lopsided on threes, yet it was a close game

[raferfenix]

Khris’ return has been highly promising.

He can still move and his impact (especially on Giannis) is clearer than ever.

Definitely don’t think he’s getting traded.

Is Middleton’s return part of what’s catalyzing Bobby as well? Or the switch to zone or something else?

Whether or not that’s sustainable is a big question.

Either way Portis’ strong play can’t hurt his trade value even if we’re still looking to deal him.

[German Athens]

Khris’ return has been highly promising.

He can still move and his impact (especially on Giannis) is clearer than ever.

Definitely don’t think he’s getting traded.

Is Middleton’s return part of what’s catalyzing Bobby as well? Or the switch to zone or something else?

Whether or not that’s sustainable is a big question.

Either way Portis’ strong play can’t hurt his trade value even if we’re still looking to deal him.

My guess is we’re dangling pat, marjon, and the ‘31 1st.

What that gets us, I’m not sure - I’ve mostly been looking at guys in the Bobby salary slot.

[BroncoBuck]

Guys, this isn’t that complicated.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounding-percentagE?date=2024-06-18

Nobody uses raw per-minute rebounding totals when there’s rebounding %. As for the assertion that KP is the key to it….

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porzikr01/on-off/2024

They were literally a worse rebounding team with him on (50.7%) the court as opposed to off (52.5%) lol.

I ageee that rebound percentage is the more telling stat, but what does per 100 have anything to do with minutes?

Per 100 is a better indicator because it factors in the defense the team plays. The Celtics obviously have an elite defense, so a possession does not mean a shot occurs. If the Celtics and Bucks play 100 possessions the Celtics are still going to come out ahead in total rebounds because their defense leads to a lower shooting percentage than ours even if there are less total opportunities. Under Bud we were generally leading the league or finishing top 5. Of course, we had better rebounders on the floor back then as well.

Rebound rate is still going to be impacted by pace of play. It’s baked into the stat, but it’s still there. If Boston allows less total shots the swing in percentage for 1 or 2 missed rebounds is going to be greater than a team that allows more.

[raferfenix]

Kings are seeing very positive returns from moving Monk into the starting lineup.

Huerter is playing much better for them off the bench.

Keon Ellis watch continues.

Kings coach Mike Brown’s reluctant decision to move Malik Monk into the starting lineup represented a major change for Sacramento’s offense, Kevin Huerter’s role and the team’s rotation.

The early returns have been encouraging with impressive surges in scoring and 3-point shooting, but time will tell how well the Kings hold up in terms of defense and depth.

The Kings have posted back-to-back 140-point games for the first time in the Sacramento era. They beat the San Antonio Spurs 140-113 on Friday and the Utah Jazz 141-97 on Sunday.

https://amp.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article296793434.html

[soxperry]

Orlando has elite D, desperately needs 3pt shooting

Milwaukee desperately needs defense, has extra 3pt shooting.


Hmmmmmm

[BigO]

Orlando has elite D, desperately needs 3pt shooting

Milwaukee desperately needs defense, has extra 3pt shooting.


Hmmmmmm

OK, you convinced me. Green, Prince, Wright and Trent for Suggs.

[soxperry]

Oh by the way ...

Ryan Dunn check in anyone?

31% from 3 on 3 attempts per game

Just in case anyone was still on the fence about how preseason defense translates to regular season defense.

[raferfenix]

Kuminga in the starting lineup seems more likely to be showcasing than Draymond permanently moving to the bench.

Certainly plausible Green ends up the starting center but that team's just so small.

"One of the most important players in the league to watch right now, believe it or not, is Jonathan Kuminga," said Brian Windhorst on Get Up. "The reason I say that is the Warriors have been sniffing around making a star player transaction for almost a year now. Right now, they're basically making the final analysis on Jonathan Kuminga. Are they going to keep him or are they going to move him?

"Over the last two weeks he's moved into the starting lineup, he's averaged 21 points and five rebounds at almost 50 percent shooting in those games. This could also be termed as a showcase depending."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/278356/Warriors-Entering-Final-Stage-Of-Deciding-Whether-To-Keep-Or-Trade-Jonathan-Kuminga

Rough scenario we've talked about before where we could be involved:

Bucks trade: Bobby
Bucks receive: Keon Ellis, Looney

Warriors trade: Kuminga [into Kings' open MLE], Looney
Warriors receive: Bobby, Kings firsts to use in a star trade TBD

Kings trade: Keon Ellis, firsts, cap space (significant since they're right around the tax)
Kings receive: Kuminga

[LUKE23]

Miniscule sample but Dame/GA/Midds is at +11.5 in 35 minutes so far. Have to think that continues to improve as Midds gets in better shape and gets more minutes.

Lillard/GA is at -.4 in 476 minutes, which is absolutely criminal and also just illustrates how valuable Middleton is and also how bad of a coach Doc is.

[-Jragon-]

With Butler you get even less 3 point shooting than we already have. You cant go into Boston like that and get bombed out of the water. If anything we need to be adding 3 point shooting to compete.

[jakecronus8]

We’re heading towards the timeline where opposing teams become aware of just how ineffective Lopez is going to be. I love the guy and appreciate everything, but if we can get value you have to do it. $23 million for someone unplayable in crunch time is a killer

[drdrG]

I love Brook and Bobby. They've been amazing/integral members of the most enjoyable stretch of Bucks basketball of my lifetime.

I don't know which because it depends on the return but one has to go towards making us more flexible and athletic at a big wing position. Our best perimeter athlete Dre is also our least skilled and will be unplayable in the playoffs. Giannis is an S-tier athlete as a big but he's not running around screens on the perimeter and rotating and digging down for big rebounds 38 minutes every night.

Looking around the league, a lot of the best teams have 2-4 of those guys. Can you imagine if our small ball lineup was Dame, AJ, Khris, Jalen Johnson/Tari Eason/Jaden Daniels and Giannis?

The only two guys in the league that will really punish such a small lineup are Jokic and Embiid from 2 years ago. Nothing needs to be said about the Sixers and Denver looks extremely unlikely to get out of the first round in the West. Regardless, we wouldn't see Jokic unless we can beat Boston and one of the Cavs/Knicks. Brook is toast against both Boston and NYK.

I was really sour before on Bobby's play but if we can keep him playing within his role as a pick and pop big who is never the rim protector, I think he can be effective. I've been impressed with his spacing and timing as the pick with Dame and Khris. Brook has been as consistent as they come but the creeping decline is apparent. He is just destroyed in our most important matchups. His residual help with rebounding and rim protection is outweighed now by his declining offensive production and the inflexibility his mobility on defense requires.

I can imagine GSW or LAL wanting Lopez as the anchor to their defense and a good matchup for Jokic. It's too bad LAL doesn't have a better 3/4 to trade. Is there a package around Brook that nets us Kuminga or Moody/Reaves? I also just don't see Bobby netting us this return.

[-Jragon-]

We’re heading towards the timeline where opposing teams become aware of just how ineffective Lopez is going to be. I love the guy and appreciate everything, but if we can get value you have to do it. $23 million for someone unplayable in crunch time is a killer

When other teams sit their Center at the end and decide to go small.. and we decide that we have enough firepower to play small with them----- that doesn't equal that Brook is unplayable down the stretch. It's our coach competing and countering another coach. Like how a baseball coach gets a Lefty out of the bullpen to face a lefty. It doesn't make the Right handed pitcher unplayable and it's nice to have Brook in the bullpen if needed. At his price and as a starter he's not overpaid. In the playoffs, Brook has been able to carry us for stretches on the offensive end too and keep us in games. It's not that dire to trade him.

[Ron Swanson]

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-advanced?dir=A&sort=OFF_RATING

The good news: We're the 4th best clutch defense in the league

The bad news: We're the 20th best clutch offense

Seems almost impossible for this to be the case when you have Dame and Giannis, but it jives with the eye test at this point. I can't even count how many times last night where we took more than half the shot clock to get into our offensive sets. Walk the ball up the court, set a ball screen, dribble-hand-off at the top of the key, post entry pass with 6-7 seconds left on the shot clock, rinse and repeat. Thank god Dame bailed us out with a tough step-back three, but the "old and slow" stuff is arguably affecting the offense more than the defense at this point.

The optimist in me sees that we're still locking teams down defensively in crunch time, but the pessimist in me sees that this offense is leaving so much meat on the bone and is ultimately gonna be our downfall against good defenses in the playoffs. We're still **** #1 in the NBA in post-up frequency, yet bottom-5 in efficiency (0.88 PPP).

Stop.....running......archaic......offense.

[emunney]

Per 100 is pace reliant? Is that a typo?

Per 100 for rebounds is much more a factor of how many 3s you shoot and your opponents do.

If your shooting percentage is lower cuz you shoot more threes there are more rebounds available.

I'm not sure what the point about rebounding is.That it's not important? Even the stats on Boston show that the year they were at the top in rebounding is the year they won the title. Rebounding is neither determinative nor unimportant.

Guru Bud said that the key to good defense are these three things:

I) Be a good defensive rebounding team
2) Get back on defense-limit fast breaks
3) Limit foul shots

Rebounding was clearly one of the issues in last night being such a close game. Bucks shot 55% to 44% and it was even more lopsided on threes, yet it was a close game

Rebounding is important but raw rebounding #s, even adjusted per 100 possessions, are unnecessarily noisy, because they fold in total rebounding opportunities which are affected by things like turnovers and shooting %s. Better to look at the rebounding % on each end if you want to look at how effectively a team rebounds.

[jakecronus8]

Some sort of 3 way with Golden state and Brooklyn where we trade Brook, pick, Johnson or Jackson for Kuminga and Schröder.

[ShootingtheJ]

Oh by the way ...

Ryan Dunn check in anyone?

31% from 3 on 3 attempts per game

Just in case anyone was still on the fence about how preseason defense translates to regular season defense.

Dunn, a defense dynamo, shooting 31% from 3 as a rookie is really promising. It's more promising than AJ Johnson shooting 21% from 3 in the G League.

It's too bad Dunn has been hurt for awhile.