Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[ShootingtheJ]

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-advanced?dir=A&sort=OFF_RATING

The good news: We're the 4th best clutch defense in the league

The bad news: We're the 20th best clutch offense

Seems almost impossible for this to be the case when you have Dame and Giannis, but it jives with the eye test at this point. I can't even count how many times last night where we took more than half the shot clock to get into our offensive sets. Walk the ball up the court, set a ball screen, dribble-hand-off at the top of the key, post entry pass with 6-7 seconds left on the shot clock, rinse and repeat. Thank god Dame bailed us out with a tough step-back three, but the "old and slow" stuff is arguably affecting the offense more than the defense at this point.

The optimist in me sees that we're still locking teams down defensively in crunch time, but the pessimist in me sees that this offense is leaving so much meat on the bone and is ultimately gonna be our downfall against good defenses in the playoffs. We're still **** #1 in the NBA in post-up frequency, yet bottom-5 in efficiency (0.88 PPP).

Stop.....running......archaic......offense.

Yeah, this is why Doc has been on Dame lately to get the ball up the court faster. Stop letting the defense get set and then trying to create an advantage when you can attack early and keep the advantage.

Middleton has been running the ball up the court quickly in his PG minutes despite that being a skill and physical challenge for him.

[ShootingtheJ]

Kings are seeing very positive returns from moving Monk into the starting lineup.

Huerter is playing much better for them off the bench.

Keon Ellis watch continues.

Kings coach Mike Brown’s reluctant decision to move Malik Monk into the starting lineup represented a major change for Sacramento’s offense, Kevin Huerter’s role and the team’s rotation.

The early returns have been encouraging with impressive surges in scoring and 3-point shooting, but time will tell how well the Kings hold up in terms of defense and depth.

The Kings have posted back-to-back 140-point games for the first time in the Sacramento era. They beat the San Antonio Spurs 140-113 on Friday and the Utah Jazz 141-97 on Sunday.

https://amp.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article296793434.html

Yeah, this is the way to go. I'm not advocating for giving up the 2031 pick, but I think the Bucks want to. Kings have long rumored to be interested in Robert Williams.

Blazers get: Patty C, Marjon, Bucks 2031 pick
Kings get: Robert Williams, Chris Livingston
Pistons get: Trey Lyles, Kings 2nd
Bucks get: Keon Ellis, Dalano Banton, Paul Reed

[emunney]

Kings are seeing very positive returns from moving Monk into the starting lineup.

Huerter is playing much better for them off the bench.

Keon Ellis watch continues.

Kings coach Mike Brown’s reluctant decision to move Malik Monk into the starting lineup represented a major change for Sacramento’s offense, Kevin Huerter’s role and the team’s rotation.

The early returns have been encouraging with impressive surges in scoring and 3-point shooting, but time will tell how well the Kings hold up in terms of defense and depth.

The Kings have posted back-to-back 140-point games for the first time in the Sacramento era. They beat the San Antonio Spurs 140-113 on Friday and the Utah Jazz 141-97 on Sunday.

https://amp.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article296793434.html

Yeah, this is the way to go. I'm not advocating for giving up the 2031 pick, but I think the Bucks want to. Kings have long rumored to be interested in Robert Williams.

Blazers get: Patty C, Marjon, Bucks 2031 pick
Kings get: Robert Williams, Chris Livingston
Pistons get: Trey Lyles, Kings 2nd
Bucks get: Keon Ellis, Dalano Banton, Paul Reed

I can dig this one.

[CharityStripe34]

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-advanced?dir=A&sort=OFF_RATING

The good news: We're the 4th best clutch defense in the league

The bad news: We're the 20th best clutch offense

Seems almost impossible for this to be the case when you have Dame and Giannis, but it jives with the eye test at this point. I can't even count how many times last night where we took more than half the shot clock to get into our offensive sets. Walk the ball up the court, set a ball screen, dribble-hand-off at the top of the key, post entry pass with 6-7 seconds left on the shot clock, rinse and repeat. Thank god Dame bailed us out with a tough step-back three, but the "old and slow" stuff is arguably affecting the offense more than the defense at this point.

The optimist in me sees that we're still locking teams down defensively in crunch time, but the pessimist in me sees that this offense is leaving so much meat on the bone and is ultimately gonna be our downfall against good defenses in the playoffs. We're still **** #1 in the NBA in post-up frequency, yet bottom-5 in efficiency (0.88 PPP).

Stop.....running......archaic......offense.

I don't mind post-ups if they're advantageous and create double teams. But Yea the clunky offense seems like a clear case of slowing down and Freak and Dame doing the "my turn your turn" stuff. I miss the days where coaches drew up 2-3 specific sets with actions to play off of. I hate this new wave of nonsense "let the players feel it out" stuff.

I think the equalizer in crunch time will be Khris. The ball should be mostly used by he, Dame or Freak.

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[RiotPunch]

Kings are seeing very positive returns from moving Monk into the starting lineup.

Huerter is playing much better for them off the bench.

Keon Ellis watch continues.

Kings coach Mike Brown’s reluctant decision to move Malik Monk into the starting lineup represented a major change for Sacramento’s offense, Kevin Huerter’s role and the team’s rotation.

The early returns have been encouraging with impressive surges in scoring and 3-point shooting, but time will tell how well the Kings hold up in terms of defense and depth.

The Kings have posted back-to-back 140-point games for the first time in the Sacramento era. They beat the San Antonio Spurs 140-113 on Friday and the Utah Jazz 141-97 on Sunday.

https://amp.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article296793434.html

Yeah, this is the way to go. I'm not advocating for giving up the 2031 pick, but I think the Bucks want to. Kings have long rumored to be interested in Robert Williams.

Blazers get: Patty C, Marjon, Bucks 2031 pick
Kings get: Robert Williams, Chris Livingston
Pistons get: Trey Lyles, Kings 2nd
Bucks get: Keon Ellis, Dalano Banton, Paul Reed

A+ for effort and approach, but does not leave us below the 2nd apron, making it illegal. $191M post-trade, from my view.

[pifhluk23]

Should we be going after Paul Reed? I don't know much about him but from what I've read he seems like the type of player we need and the Pistons have cap space.

[ShootingtheJ]

Kings are seeing very positive returns from moving Monk into the starting lineup.

Huerter is playing much better for them off the bench.

Keon Ellis watch continues.





https://amp.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article296793434.html

Yeah, this is the way to go. I'm not advocating for giving up the 2031 pick, but I think the Bucks want to. Kings have long rumored to be interested in Robert Williams.

Blazers get: Patty C, Marjon, Bucks 2031 pick
Kings get: Robert Williams, Chris Livingston
Pistons get: Trey Lyles, Kings 2nd
Bucks get: Keon Ellis, Dalano Banton, Paul Reed

A+ for effort and approach, but does not leave us below the 2nd apron, making it illegal. $191M post-trade, from my view.

This is the gray area, but I don't view this as aggragating. It's Patty C for Reed and Marjon for Ellis. Banton fits in to the minimum salary exception.

[soxperry]

Yeah, this is the way to go. I'm not advocating for giving up the 2031 pick, but I think the Bucks want to. Kings have long rumored to be interested in Robert Williams.

Blazers get: Patty C, Marjon, Bucks 2031 pick
Kings get: Robert Williams, Chris Livingston
Pistons get: Trey Lyles, Kings 2nd
Bucks get: Keon Ellis, Dalano Banton, Paul Reed

A+ for effort and approach, but does not leave us below the 2nd apron, making it illegal. $191M post-trade, from my view.

This is the gray area, but I don't view this as aggragating. It's Patty C for Reed and Marjon for Ellis. Banton fits in to the minimum salary exception.

I would assume it comes down to whether or not the two moves depend on each other to happen. Can the trades be made singularly and all teams are happy? If yes, then its not aggregation i would think

[raferfenix]

I'm not advocating for giving up the 2031 pick, but I think the Bucks want to.

To what extent the Bucks prefer dealing our lone first vs Bobby is the question.

Of course comes down to what we could get in return.

I’m still skeptical we are extending Bobby but if there isn’t a great trade available (if only due to CBA restrictions) Horst might rather just go all in with future draft capital for better or worse. #FtheFuture

[soxperry]

So what would Bobby actually make on the free agent market if he turned down his player option?

15? 17? Cant be 20, right?

[German Athens]

So what would Bobby actually make on the free agent market if he turned down his player option?

15? 17? Cant be 20, right?

Isaiah Stewart is a flat 15, Rui 17 (18.3 next year) and Patrick Williams a flat 18. I imagine that’s the bottom of his market.


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[Ron Swanson]

So what would Bobby actually make on the free agent market if he turned down his player option?

15? 17? Cant be 20, right?

Can't see him getting any less than what Obi Toppin got from the Pacers and I think 4-yrs $64 mil is the floor market rate for a top reserve big-man/situational starter. If I was convinced Bobby would stay for Valanciunas money (3-yrs $30 mil), then I think there'd be way less of an appetite to trade him.

[mlloyd10]

Miniscule sample but Dame/GA/Midds is at +11.5 in 35 minutes so far. Have to think that continues to improve as Midds gets in better shape and gets more minutes.

Lillard/GA is at -.4 in 476 minutes, which is absolutely criminal and also just illustrates how valuable Middleton is and also how bad of a coach Doc is.

Curious what Lillard/GA is the last 10 games

[German Athens]

Miniscule sample but Dame/GA/Midds is at +11.5 in 35 minutes so far. Have to think that continues to improve as Midds gets in better shape and gets more minutes.

Lillard/GA is at -.4 in 476 minutes, which is absolutely criminal and also just illustrates how valuable Middleton is and also how bad of a coach Doc is.

Curious what Lillard/GA is the last 10 games

Over their last 10 they’re at +0.8.


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[raferfenix]

Should we be going after Paul Reed? I don't know much about him but from what I've read he seems like the type of player we need and the Pistons have cap space.

Don't know that much about Reed, how athletic / switchable do we think he is?

Seems like he's a rim runner. Not sure if he can shoot at all.

As HoopsHype’s Michael Scotto wrote about every team’s top trade candidates, the Pistons had a few listed, including the 25-year-old center, who joined the team over the summer.

Reed didn’t exactly choose the Pistons. After his fourth season in the NBA, Reed was waived by the Philadelphia 76ers. The Pistons picked him up, taking on his non-guaranteed three-year contract.

While Reed has embraced his fresh start in Detroit so far, he hasn’t much playing time to make a difference. If the rumors are correct, it seems the Pistons aren’t exactly sold on Reed as a long-term fit.

“Reed is expected to be available ahead of February’s trade deadline,” Scotto reports. “Reed has a non-guaranteed contract this season and next season as well. Keep an eye on Reed as a potential salary filler in trade talks or to command a potential future second-round draft pick from a team seeking frontcourt depth on the trade market.”

The acquisition of Reed was a low-risk gamble for a young player with enough experience to offer the Pistons competitive depth. Over the last two years, Reed played steady minutes as a backup behind one of the NBA’s most dominant centers in Joel Embiid.

If the Pistons decide to utilize Reed’s contract in future trade discussions, he could help with a $7.7 million salary. The veteran center is signed through 2026 and is set to make $8.1 million next year.

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/detroit_pistons_offseason_addition_tossed_in_nba_trade_rumors/s1_16979_41357131

By the Numbers
Paul Reed is averaging 4.9 points and 2.1 rebounds in 11 games this season.
He posted averages of 10.3 points, 7.7 rebounds, and 1.3 blocks in 24 starts last season with the Philadelphia 76ers.

https://bvmsports.com/2024/12/06/lakers-eye-23-million-center-paul-reed-to-enhance-frontcourt/

[Ron Swanson]

Three more days until all vet minimums and most non-rookie extensions become tradeable. We'll start seeing some more details and traction on these rumored deals, but I'll hold my breath on us doing anything drastic with how we've played lately. We know the obvious candidates (Bobby, Marjon, Pat), but what I'm most curious about between now and the deadline, is the organization's actual appetite for a Brook trade. We heard the offseason rumor and shortly after the rough start that the team was canvassing Brook's trade value, but not a whole lot since then. I've maintained that Brook + the 2031 1st can get you a pretty damn good player if you're actually willing to aggressively pursue that route.

[soxperry]

Pat has to be on the move. He would have played some minutes if they weren't trying to guarantee his health

[pifhluk23]

Three more days until all vet minimums and most non-rookie extensions become tradeable. We'll start seeing some more details and traction on these rumored deals, but I'll hold my breath on us doing anything drastic with how we've played lately. We know the obvious candidates (Bobby, Marjon, Pat), but what I'm most curious about between now and the deadline, is the organization's actual appetite for a Brook trade. We heard the offseason rumor and shortly after the rough start that the team was canvassing Brook's trade value, but not a whole lot since then. I've maintained that Brook + the 2031 1st can get you a pretty damn good player if you're actually willing to aggressively pursue that route.

That player has to replace him though unless there is another trade to get Reed or something.

[Ron Swanson]

Three more days until all vet minimums and most non-rookie extensions become tradeable. We'll start seeing some more details and traction on these rumored deals, but I'll hold my breath on us doing anything drastic with how we've played lately. We know the obvious candidates (Bobby, Marjon, Pat), but what I'm most curious about between now and the deadline, is the organization's actual appetite for a Brook trade. We heard the offseason rumor and shortly after the rough start that the team was canvassing Brook's trade value, but not a whole lot since then. I've maintained that Brook + the 2031 1st can get you a pretty damn good player if you're actually willing to aggressively pursue that route.

That player has to replace him though unless there is another trade to get Reed or something.

Paul Reed isn't any sort of replacement for Brook either, but I've been harping on it for years that a "Brook replacement" just doesn't exist. I think that package absolutely gets you in the Herb Jones and Myles Turner sweepstakes though.

[BigO]

A+ for effort and approach, but does not leave us below the 2nd apron, making it illegal. $191M post-trade, from my view.

This is the gray area, but I don't view this as aggragating. It's Patty C for Reed and Marjon for Ellis. Banton fits in to the minimum salary exception.

I would assume it comes down to whether or not the two moves depend on each other to happen. Can the trades be made singularly and all teams are happy? If yes, then its not aggregation i would think

People need to get realistic ( I know we're on real GM).

The Bucks aren't giving up a first round pick because some of us on this board think Paul Reed has value (he doesn't) or take a chance on two players that you hope will blossom (Ellis and Blanton). You trade first round picks for proven talent, not maybes.