Jimmy Butler open to trade (prefers hometown Houston Rockets)

[SkyBill40]

Miami isn't in the 2nd Apron so they can still aggregate salary. It's the Suns who can't aggregate salaries.

Doesn't really matter seeing that since MIA is over the first apron and PHX is over the second, the salaries of all involved have to match - TO THE PENNY - and that's not happening. MIA can't take back anything over what's being sent out and PHX can't take any more in.

All this is moot and a dead end and that's where it should end. Even if they were to get a third team involved to help make it more plausible, it's still largely pointless.

There is a path with Butler/Richardson for Beal but it largely hinges on Beal's NTC and I suppose draft capital

I still doubt it. Again, it must match to the cent. And while FO's are crafty, hard numbers are just that.

[lilfishi22]

Doesn't really matter seeing that since MIA is over the first apron and PHX is over the second, the salaries of all involved have to match - TO THE PENNY - and that's not happening. MIA can't take back anything over what's being sent out and PHX can't take any more in.

All this is moot and a dead end and that's where it should end. Even if they were to get a third team involved to help make it more plausible, it's still largely pointless.

There is a path with Butler/Richardson for Beal but it largely hinges on Beal's NTC and I suppose draft capital

I still doubt it. Again, it must match to the cent. And while FO's are crafty, hard numbers are just that.

It doesn't, which is what I found out today

Butler/Richardson is "matches" because it's more than Beal's salary but the exact difference is made up my a minimum player trade exception.

[SkyBill40]

There is a path with Butler/Richardson for Beal but it largely hinges on Beal's NTC and I suppose draft capital

I still doubt it. Again, it must match to the cent. And while FO's are crafty, hard numbers are just that.

It doesn't, which is what I found out today

Butler/Richardson is "matches" because it's more than Beal's salary but the exact difference is made up my a minimum player trade exception.

Where'd you get that from? First time I'm hearing anything different than what I've stated. Besides, even if we could make it work... would you want to? Butler is a solid player but on the wrong side of 30. He also comes with baggage as a stirrer of excrement, and that's not a good thing. The only plus(es) I see are that he actually plays SF and that'll allow Booker to move back to SG where he belongs and that he's a committed-to-the-cause type of dude. That latter fact could be boom or bust.

[BBallFreak]

Doesn't really matter seeing that since MIA is over the first apron and PHX is over the second, the salaries of all involved have to match - TO THE PENNY - and that's not happening. MIA can't take back anything over what's being sent out and PHX can't take any more in.

All this is moot and a dead end and that's where it should end. Even if they were to get a third team involved to help make it more plausible, it's still largely pointless.

There is a path with Butler/Richardson for Beal but it largely hinges on Beal's NTC and I suppose draft capital

And Pat Riley smoking crack, falling off a tall building, landing on his head, and then get the trade offer.

[lilfishi22]

I still doubt it. Again, it must match to the cent. And while FO's are crafty, hard numbers are just that.

It doesn't, which is what I found out today

Butler/Richardson is "matches" because it's more than Beal's salary but the exact difference is made up my a minimum player trade exception.

Where'd you get that from? First time I'm hearing anything different than what I've stated. Besides, even if we could make it work... would you want to? Butler is a solid player but on the wrong side of 30. He also comes with baggage as a stirrer of excrement, and that's not a good thing. The only plus(es) I see are that he actually plays SF and that'll allow Booker to move back to SG where he belongs and that he's a committed-to-the-cause type of dude. That latter fact could be boom or bust.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2548/the-complexity-of-a-jimmy-butler-trade

Here’s how it works:

Butler and Richardson combined make less than Beal, so Miami is clear there.

Miami would trigger a second-apron hard cap, because they have aggregated players in this deal. The Heat would be roughly $3.3 million under the second apron following the trade. Thankfully, that’s more than enough room to fill out their roster to the required 14 players on standard contracts.

Phoenix isn’t aggregating in this deal, so there are no concerns there.

The Suns get around the restriction of taking back more salary than they sent out by breaking this up into two trades on their side.
Butler is acquired for Beal. Butler makes less than Beal, so no issue there.

Richardson is acquired via the Minimum Exception (which allows for any player signed via the Minimum Exception to be acquired in a trade).

I would do the trade first and foremost to get off Beal's contract but Butler is also just a better fit. He does far more off the ball, especially on the defensive end, he adds size on the wings, makes our starting line up more reasonable size-wise and he's a certified killer in the playoffs.

[Sixers in 4]

Miami isn't in the 2nd Apron so they can still aggregate salary. It's the Suns who can't aggregate salaries.

Doesn't really matter seeing that since MIA is over the first apron and PHX is over the second, the salaries of all involved have to match - TO THE PENNY - and that's not happening. MIA can't take back anything over what's being sent out and PHX can't take any more in.

All this is moot and a dead end and that's where it should end. Even if they were to get a third team involved to help make it more plausible, it's still largely pointless.

There is a path with Butler/Richardson for Beal but it largely hinges on Beal's NTC and I suppose draft capital

How would a 3rd team help wouldn't the same rule apply? I am new to this apron ish> Beal isn't waving his NTC and Riley isn't trading for him.

Like you said it's a dead end they also couldn't even get a team to take on salary because they are so far over the apron it's almost impossible to do a deal. I wonder though if a team could sign a player to a massive non-guarnteed contract and then add a buyout to get around the 2nd apron rules for a sign and trade in the offseason

[lilfishi22]

Doesn't really matter seeing that since MIA is over the first apron and PHX is over the second, the salaries of all involved have to match - TO THE PENNY - and that's not happening. MIA can't take back anything over what's being sent out and PHX can't take any more in.

All this is moot and a dead end and that's where it should end. Even if they were to get a third team involved to help make it more plausible, it's still largely pointless.

There is a path with Butler/Richardson for Beal but it largely hinges on Beal's NTC and I suppose draft capital

And Pat Riley smoking crack, falling off a tall building, landing on his head, and then get the trade offer.

Not suggesting Miami WILL accept a Beal plus draft picks trade, just saying Beal's NTC is the key trade restriction that would kill any discussions before it can even be had. Suns are also limited in what draft capital can be traded so that's another major obstacle.

[lilfishi22]

Doesn't really matter seeing that since MIA is over the first apron and PHX is over the second, the salaries of all involved have to match - TO THE PENNY - and that's not happening. MIA can't take back anything over what's being sent out and PHX can't take any more in.

All this is moot and a dead end and that's where it should end. Even if they were to get a third team involved to help make it more plausible, it's still largely pointless.

There is a path with Butler/Richardson for Beal but it largely hinges on Beal's NTC and I suppose draft capital

How would a 3rd team help wouldn't the same rule apply? I am new to this apron ish> Beal isn't waving his NTC and Riley isn't trading for him.

Like you said it's a dead end they also couldn't even get a team to take on salary because they are so far over the apron it's almost impossible to do a deal. I wonder though if a team could sign a player to a massive non-guarnteed contract and then add a buyout to get around the 2nd apron rules for a sign and trade in the offseason

The theory is that a 3rd team that isn't bound by the same apron restrictions have more flexiblility to facilitate a trade between two constrained teams ie an apron team can more easily trade with a non-apron team vs an apron team trading directly with another apron team. I haven't looked at any possible 3 team trades because they tend to be pretty difficult and complex to begin with and imo not worth the time.