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Post#1941 » by AirP. » Thu Dec 12, 2024 9:55 pm

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Yeah he's done as a top 10 player. Move him get the assets to possibly make a move for DeAaron Fox. This team has no shot against Boston with Butler making 50 mil for multiple seasons. A core of Fox, Herro and Bam doesnt beat Boston. But it gives you a longer window to add more pieces around them. It's a fact older players get worse every season. Butler is worse than he was last year. He will be worse next year than he is now. And even worse 2 seasons ago. If Heat want to be in denial over that, then we get more seasons like last year. Where they can get to round 2 because they compete hard but can't contend.

Because Butler's making 45 mil a season? Which has a bigger impact on this team being successful, Butler at 45 or having both Robinson and Rozier combined for 45 mil? I don't get this obsession with the amount of money when there are much bigger wastes of money on the roster.

Good luck on adding that next star since Miami's added one in 10 years of looking for one, that's a sobering reality I've had to live through with another team with a bunch of high 1st round picks.


The Heat are fine with his current contract. Butler is looking for the Max which is putting him on avarage 60 mill per.


If Butler opts out and becomes a free agent next offseason, he will be eligible to sign a four-year max contract projected to be worth about $243 million with the Heat or a max three-year contract worth $171 million elsewhere. But Butler and the Heat don’t have to reach that point if they can agree to the two-year max contract extension worth about $113 million that he’s already eligible for. The Heat also has until June 30 to sign Butler to this extension, which would keep him in Miami through the 2026-27 season when he’ll be 37 years old.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article296910939.html#storylink=cpy


Are they? Why not just have him opt in and add 1 or 2 years to that then? I wouldn't go for 4 more years, 2-3 more years after this to me is safe.
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Post#1942 » by twix2500 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:01 pm

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AirP. wrote:Because Butler's making 45 mil a season? Which has a bigger impact on this team being successful, Butler at 45 or having both Robinson and Rozier combined for 45 mil? I don't get this obsession with the amount of money when there are much bigger wastes of money on the roster.

Good luck on adding that next star since Miami's added one in 10 years of looking for one, that's a sobering reality I've had to live through with another team with a bunch of high 1st round picks.


The Heat are fine with his current contract. Butler is looking for the Max which is putting him on avarage 60 mill per.


If Butler opts out and becomes a free agent next offseason, he will be eligible to sign a four-year max contract projected to be worth about $243 million with the Heat or a max three-year contract worth $171 million elsewhere. But Butler and the Heat don’t have to reach that point if they can agree to the two-year max contract extension worth about $113 million that he’s already eligible for. The Heat also has until June 30 to sign Butler to this extension, which would keep him in Miami through the 2026-27 season when he’ll be 37 years old.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article296910939.html#storylink=cpy


Are they? Why not just have him opt in and add 1 or 2 years to that then? I wouldn't go for 4 more years, 2-3 more years after this to me is safe.


thats called an extension butler said he is not doing that
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Post#1943 » by AirP. » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:03 pm

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The Heat are fine with his current contract. Butler is looking for the Max which is putting him on avarage 60 mill per.




Are they? Why not just have him opt in and add 1 or 2 years to that then? I wouldn't go for 4 more years, 2-3 more years after this to me is safe.


thats called an extension butler said he is not doing that

Not now after Riley went after him publicly while knowing Butler was dealing with a dying father last season.
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Post#1944 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:21 pm

No way Butler at his age is worth $60 mil per. I wouldn't even pay more than $30-35 mil for 2 more years max.
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Post#1945 » by twix2500 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:26 pm

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Are they? Why not just have him opt in and add 1 or 2 years to that then? I wouldn't go for 4 more years, 2-3 more years after this to me is safe.


thats called an extension butler said he is not doing that

Not now after Riley went after him publicly while knowing Butler was dealing with a dying father last season.


I will say this, don't believe that was before they started negotiating. And Butler agent has a reputation about his mouth. Pat has that reputation as well
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Post#1946 » by ZoStrong » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:32 pm

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Are they? Why not just have him opt in and add 1 or 2 years to that then? I wouldn't go for 4 more years, 2-3 more years after this to me is safe.


thats called an extension butler said he is not doing that

Not now after Riley went after him publicly while knowing Butler was dealing with a dying father last season.


There was a dialogue between his side and the management about adding a yr or two. They wanted the longer contract at max, knowing this is gonna be his last big contract. It fell apart and since then Jimmy publicly stated he's opting out to become a free agent no matter what.
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Post#1947 » by AirP. » Thu Dec 12, 2024 10:40 pm

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thats called an extension butler said he is not doing that

Not now after Riley went after him publicly while knowing Butler was dealing with a dying father last season.


I will say this, don't believe that was before they started negotiating.

He said that 5 days after Miami's last game and Riley seemed to indicate he hadn't talked to Butler's representation since last year plus what he said seemed to catch Butler's side a little off guard, something I think would have been mentioned before then had they started negotiating an extension before that press conference.
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Post#1948 » by contract » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:06 pm

3ammy dropping the ball with the game thread. :nonono:
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Post#1949 » by contract » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:14 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:No way Butler at his age is worth $60 mil per. I wouldn't even pay more than $30-35 mil for 2 more years max.

I wouldn't sign him to multiple years at all. He's already 35 years old. At this point it's 1 year contracts or nothing.

He's got another year at $52,413,394 if he wants it. If not he can opt out and sign the best offer he can get.
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Post#1950 » by oreon » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:17 pm

AirP. wrote:
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AirP. wrote:Because Butler's making 45 mil a season? Which has a bigger impact on this team being successful, Butler at 45 or having both Robinson and Rozier combined for 45 mil? I don't get this obsession with the amount of money when there are much bigger wastes of money on the roster.

Good luck on adding that next star since Miami's added one in 10 years of looking for one, that's a sobering reality I've had to live through with another team with a bunch of high 1st round picks.


It's not the money he's making that's the problem.
If you are the best player, u gotta be available n show up in most games as the best player.
It's not one season, look at the games played last few seasons. And he's on pace to miss about 20 games this year. That's not the right recipe to give a max extension to an aging player who coasts through the regular season when we are barely making the playoffs, just hoping he performs a miracle in the playoffs.

Now, I still prefer to sign him to a team friendly extension. Maybe he realizes there's no max offers out there waiting for him n that happens.
Let's see if we keep winning before the deadline. That will determine a lot of things.

He's played the most games in a Heat uniform his last 2 season and that's with missing time with his father's health issues and eventually dying during the season last year.

The biggest reason I think Miami should keep Butler is because there might not be anyone coming for years and with the organization trying to win each year, that puts you in NBA purgatory until luck shines down on you and that star shows up but until then you'll be under the tax, add that good but not great player and win 40-46 games with no hope in the playoffs and that not good.


De'Aaron Fox is right there. Sacramento will miss the playoffs and he wont make all NBA. Heat are likely one of his preferred destinations. It doesn't mean he's bound for the Heat but he's a potential way forward. If Fox resigns with Sacramento then do what everybody else does rebuild.
You have Bam and Herro both combined will get you a ton of picks. You've shown you can draft well. A ton of picks, over 3 seasons and I like the Heat chances of getting another foundational player.
Moving Butler doesnt mean Heat are forever doomed not to contend. There are two paths, use assets from Butler to get next guy. Second path, trade everyone bottomed out and rebuild. If you can draft well, you can build yourself back to a contender through the draft if you can get ton of picks.
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Post#1951 » by twix2500 » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:41 pm

AirP. wrote:
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AirP. wrote:Not now after Riley went after him publicly while knowing Butler was dealing with a dying father last season.


I will say this, don't believe that was before they started negotiating.

He said that 5 days after Miami's last game and Riley seemed to indicate he hadn't talked to Butler's representation since last year plus what he said seemed to catch Butler's side a little off guard, something I think would have been mentioned before then had they started negotiating an extension before that press conference.
There is legality on when they can talk. Publicly they have to present it as within legality

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Post#1952 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:43 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:No way Butler at his age is worth $60 mil per. I wouldn't even pay more than $30-35 mil for 2 more years max.

I wouldn't sign him to multiple years at all. He's already 35 years old. At this point it's 1 year contracts or nothing.

He's got another year at $52,413,394 if he wants it. If not he can opt out and sign the best offer he can get.


Let him test the waters. He probably sign somewhere 2 year $60 mil just to get the $60 mil.
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Post#1954 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:24 am

When Kings miss the playoffs and Fox doesn’t get All NBA I really like our chances to get him.
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Post#1955 » by ZoStrong » Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:34 am

AirP. wrote:
twix2500 wrote:
AirP. wrote:Not now after Riley went after him publicly while knowing Butler was dealing with a dying father last season.


I will say this, don't believe that was before they started negotiating.

He said that 5 days after Miami's last game and Riley seemed to indicate he hadn't talked to Butler's representation since last year plus what he said seemed to catch Butler's side a little off guard, something I think would have been mentioned before then had they started negotiating an extension before that press conference.


A lot of talks between team front offices, GMs, agents we not privy to. We only get a fraction of talks through leaks. And even their public reactions n statements I wouldn't buy into too much
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Post#1956 » by CWebb2491 » Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:44 am

Assuming we keep Jimmy and make one last push without trading picks and staying young. Since I do not know how to post images of trade machine.

Miami Trades Utah Trades

Terry Sexton
Duncan Collins
Ware
Jovic


Rotation

BAm Love
Collins Jaquez
Jimmy Larson
Highsmith Burks
Herro Sexton

We stay relativeley young but get win now players who compliment our big 3. Would be our best team in the Jimmy Butler Era.

Utah gets a 1 st round promising Big in ware, a promising big/forward in Jovic, tank commander Terry and Duncan who is basically an expiring.


Thoughts?
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Post#1957 » by Daffy » Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:18 am

I haven't been following but if Fox really does miss the playoffs and asks out. Is there a route to acquire him and keeping Jimmy at the contract he wants?
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Post#1958 » by lastb1ckman » Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:23 am

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lastb1ckman wrote:I'm always gonna be glad he came back and finished here but tbh Wade wasn't worth the contract the Bulls paid him.....Same for the Cavs.....that's why he didn't stick there.

He was on a minimum deal with the Cavs. That's why the Heat traded for him.


Oh yeah I forgot his 2nd year got waived. Which shows he REALLY wasn't worth the contract the Bulls gave him.
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Post#1959 » by MettaWorldPanda » Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:42 am

CWebb2491 wrote:Assuming we keep Jimmy and make one last push without trading picks and staying young. Since I do not know how to post images of trade machine.

Miami Trades Utah Trades

Terry Sexton
Duncan Collins
Ware
Jovic


Rotation

BAm Love
Collins Jaquez
Jimmy Larson
Highsmith Burks
Herro Sexton

We stay relativeley young but get win now players who compliment our big 3. Would be our best team in the Jimmy Butler Era.

Utah gets a 1 st round promising Big in ware, a promising big/forward in Jovic, tank commander Terry and Duncan who is basically an expiring.


Thoughts?

I’m a big fan of the idea of getting Sexton or Clarkson with Collins from the Jazz.
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