2024-25 English Premier League Discussion Thread

[wco81]

Ange must be a deadman walking, no?

After leading 2-0, at home, against rival Chelsea, his squad proceeds to allow four straight goals, two of which are penalties (last one Sarr pushes over a player, in the box, who was heading for the corner flag).

Just listening to Men in Blazers podcast.

They don't think Spurs problems lie only with the manager.

They said Spurs are about the ninth biggest club in the world, in terms of finances. High-priced ticket to attend matches at that shiny stadium.

But their spending is only #6 or #7 in the PL. IOW, they're spending like a mid-table club, punching below weight as far as talent acquisition.

Some of the spending is not even for the current club but for the academy and future talent.

[Baseline81]

Just listening to Men in Blazers podcast.

They don't think Spurs problems lie only with the manager.

They said Spurs are about the ninth biggest club in the world, in terms of finances. High-priced ticket to attend matches at that shiny stadium.

But their spending is only #6 or #7 in the PL. IOW, they're spending like a mid-table club, punching below weight as far as talent acquisition.

Some of the spending is not even for the current club but for the academy and future talent.

That spending statistic may be correct, but how many 2-goal leads do you have to lose before you stop pointing the finger at the players, though they do deserve blame, and instead stick it in the direction of the manager?

He's a manager who refuses to make adjustments. I'm not convinced he knows how to hang onto a lead or deal with being in front. Instead, his instinct is to go for the next goal. In the Scottish PL with Celtic, you can get away with that tactic.

[Pipp33]

Just listening to Men in Blazers podcast.

They don't think Spurs problems lie only with the manager.

They said Spurs are about the ninth biggest club in the world, in terms of finances. High-priced ticket to attend matches at that shiny stadium.

But their spending is only #6 or #7 in the PL. IOW, they're spending like a mid-table club, punching below weight as far as talent acquisition.

Some of the spending is not even for the current club but for the academy and future talent.

That spending statistic may be correct, but how many 2-goal leads do you have to lose before you stop pointing the finger at the players, though they do deserve blame, and instead stick it in the direction of the manager?

He's a manager who refuses to make adjustments. I'm not convinced he knows how to hang onto a lead or deal with being in front. Instead, his instinct is to go for the next goal. In the Scottish PL with Celtic, you can get away with that tactic.

I do agree there is issues he needs to address/change, but 2 of those goals Chelsea got back were from penalties due to mistakes made by players. Not sure what a manager can do about that?

If you look at the starts for so of the top managers in EPL history, some of the best took a few seasons to get going. Spurs have made so many management changes, at what point do they stick with one an d look at what some of the other glaring issues are (Levy for one) . Every recent manager has struggled to get what they want with the club's management.

And on form, Chelsea are a top 2 side in the league....fans can be disappointed they lost, but they were not the favourites to win, so no need to blow a gasket

[Pipp33]

Just listening to Men in Blazers podcast.

They don't think Spurs problems lie only with the manager.

They said Spurs are about the ninth biggest club in the world, in terms of finances. High-priced ticket to attend matches at that shiny stadium.

But their spending is only #6 or #7 in the PL. IOW, they're spending like a mid-table club, punching below weight as far as talent acquisition.

Some of the spending is not even for the current club but for the academy and future talent.

That spending statistic may be correct, but how many 2-goal leads do you have to lose before you stop pointing the finger at the players, though they do deserve blame, and instead stick it in the direction of the manager?

He's a manager who refuses to make adjustments. I'm not convinced he knows how to hang onto a lead or deal with being in front. Instead, his instinct is to go for the next goal. In the Scottish PL with Celtic, you can get away with that tactic.

I do agree there is issues he needs to address/change, but 2 of those goals Chelsea got back were from penalties due to mistakes made by players. Not sure what a manager can do about that?

If you look at the starts for so of the top managers in EPL history, some of the best took a few seasons to get going. Spurs have made so many management changes, at what point do they stick with one an d look at what some of the other glaring issues are (Levy for one) . Every recent manager has struggled to get what they want with the club's management.

And on form, Chelsea are a top 2 side in the league....fans can be disappointed they lost, but they were not the favourites to win, so no need to blow a gasket

Cristian Romero on whether Tottenham are falling behind their rivals due to lack of investment:

"The truth is, I would say no comment, but... Manchester City competes every year, you see how Liverpool strengthens its squad, Chelsea strengthens their squad, if one doesn't do well, they strengthen again, and now they're seeing results.
Those are the things to imitate.
The last few years, it's always the same people responsible [at Tottenham].
Hopefully, they [Tottenham hierarchy] realise who the true responsible ones are, and we move forward because it’s a beautiful club that, with the structure it has, could easily be competing for the title every year."

[Baseline81]

Cristian Romero on whether Tottenham are falling behind their rivals due to lack of investment:

"The truth is, I would say no comment, but... Manchester City competes every year, you see how Liverpool strengthens its squad, Chelsea strengthens their squad, if one doesn't do well, they strengthen again, and now they're seeing results.
Those are the things to imitate.
The last few years, it's always the same people responsible [at Tottenham].
Hopefully, they [Tottenham hierarchy] realise who the true responsible ones are, and we move forward because it’s a beautiful club that, with the structure it has, could easily be competing for the title every year."

LOL...

Brand new manager with holes to fill, and what does Liverpool do in the summer? The club signs a GK for the future, remains at Valencia for the year, and Chiesa, who has yet to play meaningful minutes due to injury or lack of fitness.

[stormi]

Let's not act like Liverpool haven't spent when opportunities have arisen.

Dijk was a world record fee at the time for his position, as was Alisson and it would have stayed that way had that criminal Marina Granovskaia not went and eclipsed that for Kepa out of pure panic.

€85m on Darwin Nunez would be Spurs record signing as would the €70m spent on Hoboszlai.

Liverpool were also moments away from shattering the all-time PL record on their breakthrough bid for Moises Caicedo at €110m just two summers ago.

Liverpool have been at the table for Caicedo, Zubimendi, Tchouameni, Bellingham etc and would have payed up had they received the green light from any of those players.

Spurs are not only painfully ambitionless, but their strict wage cap discredits them for ever even being an option for the marquee transfers with any form of competition.

There are all sorts of Spurs wives tales. They were in for Kounde when he were still at Sevilla but got beaten by Chelsea who then got beaten to his signature by Barcelona. Pochettino wanted Mane and Wijnaldum and got Njie and Sissoko. Jose wanted Bruno and Skriniar and Got Gedson and Rodon. Conte wanted Trossard and Zaniolo and got Danjuma. Ange wanted Gallagher and Neto and got Odobert and Gray.

To even be able to roll the dice at a top player they have to sign a Mate Sarr from Metz a year early and loan him back, same with Udogie at Udinese.

Spurs tried to sign Saliba from St-Étienne but he chose Arsenal. They signed Luka Vušković at 15 or 16 years of age because he's simply cheaper now and they might not have another chance at that level of player.

I think they could try and get on that hyperactive Brighton/Bournemouth model if Levy is that incestant in his refusal to pony up wages - they have more money that that echelon of club, but their pro-scouts are far worse.

Vicario is a good keeper, Romero and VDV are top centerbacks, I like (not love) Udogie, I think Porro is trash. Sarr has the attributes of quality box to box midfielder, so does Archie Gray and Bergvall. I'd move on from Maddison and Bissouma. Build the team around Kulusevski. Upgrade the wingers.

[Baseline81]

Let's not act like Liverpool haven't spent when opportunities have arisen.

Dijk was a world record fee at the time for his position, as was Alisson and it would have stayed that way had that criminal Marina Granovskaia not went and eclipsed that for Kepa out of pure panic.

€85m on Darwin Nunez would be Spurs record signing as would the €70m spent on Hoboszlai.

Liverpool were also moments away from shattering the all-time PL record on their breakthrough bid for Moises Caicedo at €110m just two summers ago.

Liverpool have been at the table for Caicedo, Zubimendi, Tchouameni, Bellingham etc and would have payed up had they received the green light from any of those players.

Here's the thing, though. LFC spends when there is money available. You brought up van Dijk and Alisson -- both players were only purchased once the club sold Coutinho to Barcelona. Looking back at the transfer for Nunez, it was a similar sell-to-buy philosophy. Instead of one massive sale, it was several smaller ones.

In fact, over the last 5 seasons, Liverpool's net spend ranks 9th at -£218 million. Tottenham sit 4th at -£446 million while your Chelsea are 1st at -£678 million.

https://onefootball.com/es/noticias/every-premier-league-clubs-net-spend-over-the-past-five-seasons-ranked-38150596

[stormi]

Let's not act like Liverpool haven't spent when opportunities have arisen.

Dijk was a world record fee at the time for his position, as was Alisson and it would have stayed that way had that criminal Marina Granovskaia not went and eclipsed that for Kepa out of pure panic.

€85m on Darwin Nunez would be Spurs record signing as would the €70m spent on Hoboszlai.

Liverpool were also moments away from shattering the all-time PL record on their breakthrough bid for Moises Caicedo at €110m just two summers ago.

Liverpool have been at the table for Caicedo, Zubimendi, Tchouameni, Bellingham etc and would have payed up had they received the green light from any of those players.

Here's the thing, though. LFC spends when there is money available. You brought up van Dijk and Alisson -- both players were only purchased once the club sold Coutinho to Barcelona. Looking back at the transfer for Nunez, it was a similar sell-to-buy philosophy. Instead of one massive sale, it was several smaller ones.

In fact, over the last 5 seasons, Liverpool's net spend ranks 9th at -£218 million. Tottenham sit 4th at -£446 million while your Chelsea are 1st at -£678 million.

https://onefootball.com/es/noticias/every-premier-league-clubs-net-spend-over-the-past-five-seasons-ranked-38150596

That's a convenient window that narrowly misses out on the two largest transfers of your clubs history.

Again, like I said your club would have broken the PL record had Caicedo said yes. Tottenham do business of course are very active in the market, but there are certain levels of players that their internal wage-cap don't allow them to have access to. This isn't a problem for Liverpool, and I assume they'll likely smash Spurs record transfer next summer whether that be for a CB like Lukeba or a midfielder like Baleba or Zubimendi.

That doesn't forgive transfers like Richarlison and Brennan Johnson that were just unforgivable scouting jobs.

Also, only a 400 million difference between Chelsea and Liverpool, I was told our squad was worth 2Bn and ethical Liverpool built it from the grassroots up.

[Baseline81]

That's a convenient window that narrowly misses out on the two largest transfers of your clubs history.

Again, like I said your club would have broken the PL record had Caicedo said yes. Tottenham do business of course are very active in the market, but there are certain levels of players that their internal wage-cap don't allow them to have access to. This isn't a problem for Liverpool, and I assume they'll likely smash Spurs record transfer next summer whether that be for a CB like Lukeba or a midfielder like Baleba or Zubimendi.

That doesn't forgive transfers like Richarlison and Brennan Johnson that were just unforgivable scouting jobs.

Also, only a 400 million difference between Chelsea and Liverpool, I was told our squad was worth 2Bn and ethical Liverpool built it from the grassroots up.

And what two transfers would I be missing out on?

Spurs largest transfer, I believe, is Solanke at 65M. I am not sure what either of Lukeba or Baleba would cost, but Zubimendi, if he would have agreed this past summer, was done for 60M (release clause).

I do agree, though, Tottenham struggles to bring in established talent. It reminds me of the days of Liverpool under Rodgers (average to above average players in Mignolet, Lallana, and Benteke) and the beginning of Klopp. Fans were hopeful of Mane and Salah -- no one foresaw them becoming world class. van Dijk and Alisson, on the other hand, were already near the top and just needed a bigger club to cement themselves.

As to your attempted dig, you do realize that's adding approximately four Caicedo's? If you don't think that's a large enough difference, I'm not sure what to say.

[stormi]

That's a convenient window that narrowly misses out on the two largest transfers of your clubs history.

Again, like I said your club would have broken the PL record had Caicedo said yes. Tottenham do business of course are very active in the market, but there are certain levels of players that their internal wage-cap don't allow them to have access to. This isn't a problem for Liverpool, and I assume they'll likely smash Spurs record transfer next summer whether that be for a CB like Lukeba or a midfielder like Baleba or Zubimendi.

That doesn't forgive transfers like Richarlison and Brennan Johnson that were just unforgivable scouting jobs.

Also, only a 400 million difference between Chelsea and Liverpool, I was told our squad was worth 2Bn and ethical Liverpool built it from the grassroots up.

And what two transfers would I be missing out on?

Spurs largest transfer, I believe, is Solanke at 65M. I am not sure what either of Lukeba or Baleba would cost, but Zubimendi, if he would have agreed this past summer, was done for 60M (release clause).

I do agree, though, Tottenham struggles to bring in established talent. It reminds me of the days of Liverpool under Rodgers (average to above average players in Mignolet, Lallana, and Benteke) and the beginning of Klopp. Fans were hopeful of Mane and Salah -- no one foresaw them becoming world class. van Dijk and Alisson, on the other hand, were already near the top and just needed a bigger club to cement themselves.

As to your attempted dig, you do realize that's adding approximately four Caicedo's? If you don't think that's a large enough difference, I'm not sure what to say.

Nobody's interested in your woe is me act. Your club spends, and a lot of it.

You can point to Chelsea from a moral high ground to feel better about your club but it's just deflection at the end of the day. Your club has broken the world record for several positions and will continue that trend. You are in no way comparable to a club like Spurs no matter how arbitrary the lines of funding you attempt to draw are.

Chelsea have spent how they've spent, they were also forced into administration following the Abramovich takeover and had to watch as two prime aged CL winning center backs in Rudiger and Christensen walked out of the door to Madrid and Barcelona for free. Boehly then came in without sporting directors and desperation and blew 300 million in a month on mostly fodder.

But now we have a young team and probably won't need to spend as much, especially net for the rest of the decade, whereas Liverpool have an ageing squad and impatient fans that want investments into the first team.

I'll be sure to ping you with "five year net spend" charts in 2029 that conveniently just miss out on the periods where we bought Caicedo and Fernandez and will include whatever future business FSG conduct.

[Baphomet]

Emi Martinez just made one of the best saves I've seen in recent memory against Forest, that was incredible. Then Duran went up the other end and scored a nice header. The game has been pretty lacklustre otherwise but it came to life.

[wco81]

Looks like Forest came back.

It's looking like Liverpool's year. Did they score both of their goals with 10 men?

[Baphomet]

Wow, and then Martinez makes an absolute clanger for the equaliser, and Forest go on to win 2-1 with two late goals. Mad end to that game.

[Shaazzam]

Amad is **** class.

[wco81]

Wow what happened there? Saw City up in the 86th minute and figured it was over.

They're going to need to do some spending.

[Shaazzam]

Wow what happened there? Saw City up in the 86th minute and figured it was over.

They're going to need to do some spending.

Amad latched onto a horrid backpass. Goalie stopped the play but the dude that gave the ball away annihilated Amad in the box. Penalty for Bruno.

Then 90 seconds later Amad latched onto a long ball from Licha and went around the goalie.

[Wisky4life]

Ugly match but beautiful result

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[Baphomet]

A truly horrible game between Spurs and United in the League Cup quarter final, with some absolute howlers at both end. Fraser Forster lost his mind at one point and gave United two goals for no reason. Spurs came out 4-3 winners, and will play Liverpool in the semis. I do not fancy our chances.

[Wisky4life]

A truly horrible game between Spurs and United in the League Cup quarter final, with some absolute howlers at both end. Fraser Forster lost his mind at one point and gave United two goals for no reason. Spurs came out 4-3 winners, and will play Liverpool in the semis. I do not fancy our chances.

Spurs need some help. United need a miracle.

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[Shaazzam]

The goalies were hilarious.