2024-2025 Regular Season Game 28: New York Knicks (15-10) at Orlando Magic (17-10) - 6:00 pm

basketballRob · Post #281 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:38 am

penny_nz wrote:91 points, with 52 coming from Moe and TDS is not a good day at the office offensively

Our starting lineup 0 free throws. NY starting lineup with 26.

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BlueBalls · Post #282 » by **BlueBalls** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:41 am

This is the reality until we get our guys back.

I wish we could find someone to take KCP off our hands.

What an awful waste of money.

basketballRob · Post #283 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:41 am

With all the tic tac fouls on us, Suggs should've gone to the line 2 or 3 times.

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GameOver25 · Post #284 » by **GameOver25** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:41 am

eyriq wrote:
GameOver25 wrote:
eyriq wrote:Knicks are our daddies at this point

You're tripping, we're short handed. Not even close.
They had us down 37 in the cup game which was the limit of eliminating us and then punked us tonight.

We've missed one or two of our best players in our matchups this year and last year we were 2-1 against them.

yoyojw17 · Post #285 » by **yoyojw17** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:43 am

GameOver25 wrote:
eyriq wrote:Knicks are our daddies at this point

You're tripping, we're short handed. Not even close.

lol... if a healthy magic team played against the knicks without Brunson and KAT.... people would expect us to win... but somehow get mad when we lose to a healthy "contender" with our two STARS missing. Jalen had 2 good games... just not a third... while having to guard a superstar pg that is already a tough cover. Our threes weren't falling and our infatuation with shooting through it doesn't help us win games either. Defense always shows up in some capacity thankfully

byeganyo · Post #286 » by **byeganyo** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:43 am

VFX wrote:Jalen Suggs is not a #1 option.

He’s an ancillary guy on offense that sets the pace for your teams defense that makes other teams pay when they focus too heavily on Franz or Paolo.

Since last season’s playoffs, and the beginning of this season, he has been put into a role for the sake of the FO waiting around for a point guard to appear. I hated the KCP acquisition for this reason.

Hes forced to try to be a player he isn’t right now. Anthony Black, Cole Anthony, and Corey Joseph just aren’t cutting it right now as replacements off the bench.

Him not being a 1st option is OK - neither is he expected to be, nor his paid as such. And the roster construction has put him in a role he should not be expected to play - i agree, but still, a 3rd of the season has gone and he is shooting poorly - whether he is 1st, 2nd r a 3rd option.
If we dont get a ball handling guard, he'll continue to be a bit fish out of the water and wont be a better player at the end of the season.

VFX · Post #287 » by **VFX** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:44 am

byeganyo wrote:
SOUL wrote:
byeganyo wrote:I'm not throwing him under the bus, but we have to accept that he should have a smaller role and maybe focus on the thing he does the best, although we are going to pay him too much for being a defense only player.

this statement is completely fair... if you completely ignore whatever has happened during this season with injuries to two guys who will take around 30-45 shots a game lol

Even with them, he was having a bellow average shooting season on a lower usage.

The thing is he is going to get paid more than 30m for being 10 ppg guy. He offers a lot of things, so it's not a disaster, but it's not a great outing too.

In the five game sample size with both of them?

You know he was forced into a different position for the last 12 games + playoffs last year right? This after being considered a most improved player candidate for like 90% of the year.

The FO is just stupid.

richi_v25 · Post #288 » by **richi_v25** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:44 am

VFX wrote:Jalen Suggs is not a #1 option.

He’s an ancillary guy on offense that sets the pace for your teams defense that makes other teams pay when they focus too heavily on Franz or Paolo.

Since last season’s playoffs, and the beginning of this season, he has been put into a role for the sake of the FO waiting around for a point guard to appear. I hated the KCP acquisition for this reason.

Hes forced to try to be a player he isn’t right now. Anthony Black, Cole Anthony, and Corey Joseph just aren’t cutting it right now as replacements off the bench.

Right we really needed a pg or someone that can shoot instead we got KCP and he can't shoot for ish.

Rainwater · Post #289 » by **Rainwater** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:46 am

byeganyo wrote:
SOUL wrote:
byeganyo wrote:I'm not throwing him under the bus, but we have to accept that he should have a smaller role and maybe focus on the thing he does the best, although we are going to pay him too much for being a defense only player.

this statement is completely fair... if you completely ignore whatever has happened during this season with injuries to two guys who will take around 30-45 shots a game lol

Even with them, he was having a bellow average shooting season on a lower usage.

The thing is he is going to get paid more than 30m for being 10 ppg guy. He offers a lot of things, so it's not a disaster, but it's not a great outing too.

Suggs got paid because he has potential to be first team all defense and could hit the 3 when Paolo and Franz are on the court. I don’t know why Suggs is getting blamed here.

RookieStar · Post #290 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:46 am

Why people here mad at Suggs when he cant carry a team alone?

We all know that and we dont expect him to be. We just want him to have his lastbseasons 3pt % while playibg amazingbdefense.

Sadly, without Paolo and Franz, we are forcing him to be someone he is not

DiplomaticMagic · Post #291 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:46 am

Suggs is not the problem

KCP, Black, Jett and Cole are. They just havent been good and not done the things the team drafted/signed them for.

MasterGMer · Post #292 » by **MasterGMer** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:49 am

Jalen was 4 for 19 and AB was 1 for 7. I honestly do not care if we have Franz and Paolo or not. We not gonna win if our guards put up the performance like this. Again, it is our shooting and again it is our offense. What shall we do? That is probably why Cory Joseph got in

RookieStar · Post #293 » by **RookieStar** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:49 am

richi_v25 wrote:
VFX wrote:Jalen Suggs is not a #1 option.

He’s an ancillary guy on offense that sets the pace for your teams defense that makes other teams pay when they focus too heavily on Franz or Paolo.

Since last season’s playoffs, and the beginning of this season, he has been put into a role for the sake of the FO waiting around for a point guard to appear. I hated the KCP acquisition for this reason.

Hes forced to try to be a player he isn’t right now. Anthony Black, Cole Anthony, and Corey Joseph just aren’t cutting it right now as replacements off the bench.

Right we really needed a pg or someone that can shoot instead we got KCP and he can't shoot for ish.

But we did sign someone who can shoot. That is KCP. He is... what 40% on 3s in his career? He lost his shot this season.

Do we blame Curry if we sign him and his % drops whrn he signs with us?

Magic curse is alive

Rainwater · Post #294 » by **Rainwater** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:50 am

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Suggs is not the problem

KCP, Black, Jett and Cole are. They just havent been good and not done the things the team drafted/signed them for.

Jett and Cole have been complete trash. It says something when Joseph and Houston are mins over you.

byeganyo · Post #295 » by **byeganyo** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:50 am

Rainwater wrote:
byeganyo wrote:
SOUL wrote:
this statement is completely fair... if you completely ignore whatever has happened during this season with injuries to two guys who will take around 30-45 shots a game lol

Even with them, he was having a bellow average shooting season on a lower usage.

The thing is he is going to get paid more than 30m for being 10 ppg guy. He offers a lot of things, so it's not a disaster, but it's not a great outing too.

Suggs got paid because he has potential to be first team all defense and could hit the 3 when Paolo and Franz are on the court. I don’t know why Suggs is getting blamed here.

Today he had lets say not a great game, awful shooting, dumb fouls,and overall he is not shooting well this season. That's it. he has nothingg else to be blamed.

VFX · Post #296 » by **VFX** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:51 am

MasterGMer wrote:Jalen was 4 for 19 and AB was 1 for 7. I honestly do not care if we have Franz and Paolo or not. We not gonna win if our guards put up the performance like this. Again, it is our shooting and again it is our offense. What shall we do? That is probably why Cory Joseph got in

Suggs should NOT be taking 19 shots. That’s the problem.

Literally nobody else on this roster is capable of creating offense if their last name isn’t Banchero or Wagner.

Everyone else is expendable for that reason apart from maybe Goga.

byeganyo · Post #297 » by **byeganyo** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:51 am

RookieStar wrote:
richi_v25 wrote:
VFX wrote:Jalen Suggs is not a #1 option.

He’s an ancillary guy on offense that sets the pace for your teams defense that makes other teams pay when they focus too heavily on Franz or Paolo.

Since last season’s playoffs, and the beginning of this season, he has been put into a role for the sake of the FO waiting around for a point guard to appear. I hated the KCP acquisition for this reason.

Hes forced to try to be a player he isn’t right now. Anthony Black, Cole Anthony, and Corey Joseph just aren’t cutting it right now as replacements off the bench.

Right we really needed a pg or someone that can shoot instead we got KCP and he can't shoot for ish.

But we did sign someone who can shoot. That is KCP. He is... what 40% on 3s in his career? He lost his shot this season.

Do we blame Curry if we sign him and his % drops whrn he signs with us?

Magic curse is alive

36% actually. He was signed for his defense and experience and for being a bit above average 3pt shooter.

MasterGMer · Post #298 » by **MasterGMer** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:53 am

RookieStar wrote:Why people here mad at Suggs when he cant carry a team alone?

We all know that and we dont expect him to be. We just want him to have his lastbseasons 3pt % while playibg amazingbdefense.

Sadly, without Paolo and Franz, we are forcing him to be someone he is not

Actually, that is what I expected for Suggs to be, to take over the NO.1 option. In his first game without Franz, i think he got us 32 points, right?

I just wish he can put it together. Right now, he is rushed in doing things and his offense was not organized and poised. He needs to take his time and find his efficiency.

I think it is a maturity problem more than skills or talent. Suggs has that talent. He is just not used to it. It is on the coaching staff to unleash his potential.

However, I do not think you can do that in such a period span. But I hope Jalen improves next game. That is all I worry about

Post #299 » by **SOUL** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:53 am

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MasterGMer · Post #300 » by **MasterGMer** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 1:54 am

VFX wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Jalen was 4 for 19 and AB was 1 for 7. I honestly do not care if we have Franz and Paolo or not. We not gonna win if our guards put up the performance like this. Again, it is our shooting and again it is our offense. What shall we do? That is probably why Cory Joseph got in

Suggs should NOT be taking 19 shots. That’s the problem.

Literally nobody else on this roster is capable of creating offense if their last name isn’t Banchero or Wagner.

Everyone else is expendable for that reason apart from maybe Goga.

Expendable? I thought Moe got us 32 points tonight 8-)