2024-2025 Regular Season Game 28: New York Knicks (15-10) at Orlando Magic (17-10) - 6:00 pm

[RookieStar]

If they see what everyone else is seeing and they dont make a move in the next 12 months, they are stupid indeed.

And yeah, Suggs should not have been a pg, so it's not like he asked for this burden, but he also should not be shooting that many long 3pt if he is not making them.

Who else is going to take shoots though? And I think black is the future PG. He is going to have his ups and downs but I think the Magic are ok with that since they aren’t contending anytime soon.

Whoever has caught fire. Today it was Mo and tds - try to get them more involved. Get the ball to Jett/Caleb more if they are on the court.

Not contending is a decision that the board can make. 2 years ago we were 22-60, OKC were 24-58. Both teams have moved in the right direction but for some reason no one is saying Oklahoma are not contending anytime soon.

When/If SGA goes out for 2 months, even with Chet back they will look like a playin team. Then those contender talks will change to White Flagg this season.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

We might be asking for too much from Suggs. We ask him to anchor our defense, play the PG position of which he is getting used to, then with Franz and Paolo out, we now look for him to score efficiently and lead the team to wins. I think it is too much to the point where he’s going to do all of those things inefficiently. We probably need to tell him to go ahead and defense and play PG and have others on the team to step up their offensive game. I don’t know who but we can’t put all that on Jalen.

[thelead]

We might be asking for too much from Suggs. We ask him to anchor our defense, ply the PG position of which he is getting used to, then with Franz and Paolo out, we now look for him to score efficiently and lead the team to wins. I think it is too much to the point where he’s going to do all of those things inefficiently. We probably need to tell him to go ahead and defense and play PG and have others on the team to step us their offensive game. I don’t know who but we can’t put all that on Jalen.

We’re really asking him to be a young MJ for a while

[Rainwater]

If they see what everyone else is seeing and they dont make a move in the next 12 months, they are stupid indeed.

And yeah, Suggs should not have been a pg, so it's not like he asked for this burden, but he also should not be shooting that many long 3pt if he is not making them.

Who else is going to take shoots though? And I think black is the future PG. He is going to have his ups and downs but I think the Magic are ok with that since they aren’t contending anytime soon.

Whoever has caught fire. Today it was Mo and tds - try to get them more involved. Get the ball to Jett/Caleb more if they are on the court.

Not contending is a decision that the board can make. 2 years ago we were 22-60, OKC were 24-58. Both teams have moved in the right direction but for some reason no one is saying Oklahoma are not contending anytime soon.

If the Magic had a SGA to go along with Franz and Paolo I would say they are contending too but they don’t, lol.

And the fact the Magic made no moves to improve the PG position (which they badly need) and got KCP on short term contract should tell you they aren’t trying to contend right now. They doing this building internally thing.

[VFX]

Jett is a bust. I know, super scorching take. lol

AB isn’t looking great in these situations either. Game is begging for anyone to step up and score so Suggs doesn’t take 19 shots. Does he? Not whatsoever.

Then I’m told by half this board he’s the future starting point guard here and Mosely would have rather played Corey Joseph for stretches.

[Rainwater]

Jett is a bust. I know, super scorching take. lol

AB isn’t looking great in these situations either. Game is begging for anyone to step up and score so Suggs doesn’t take 19 shots. Does he? Not whatsoever.

Then I’m told by half this board he’s the future starting point guard here and Mosely would have rather played Corey Joseph for stretches.

To be fair Joseph took Jett’s and Cole’s mins not Black’s. And with the magic’s recent moves it’s clear that they want black as the future PG. They did very little to improve the position.

[eyriq]

If they see what everyone else is seeing and they dont make a move in the next 12 months, they are stupid indeed.

And yeah, Suggs should not have been a pg, so it's not like he asked for this burden, but he also should not be shooting that many long 3pt if he is not making them.

Who else is going to take shoots though? And I think black is the future PG. He is going to have his ups and downs but I think the Magic are ok with that since they aren’t contending anytime soon.

Whoever has caught fire. Today it was Mo and tds - try to get them more involved. Get the ball to Jett/Caleb more if they are on the court.

Not contending is a decision that the board can make. 2 years ago we were 22-60, OKC were 24-58. Both teams have moved in the right direction but for some reason no one is saying Oklahoma are not contending anytime soon.

SGA is a top 5 player. That's why they are considered contenders. He's an in-his-prime MVP candidate.

[thelead]

KCP is now shooting 29.1% from deep for the season…

[Rainwater]

Who else is going to take shoots though? And I think black is the future PG. He is going to have his ups and downs but I think the Magic are ok with that since they aren’t contending anytime soon.

Whoever has caught fire. Today it was Mo and tds - try to get them more involved. Get the ball to Jett/Caleb more if they are on the court.

Not contending is a decision that the board can make. 2 years ago we were 22-60, OKC were 24-58. Both teams have moved in the right direction but for some reason no one is saying Oklahoma are not contending anytime soon.

SGA is a top 5 player. That's why they are considered contenders. He's an in-his-prime MVP candidate.

Yeah, that is the main difference between OKC and Orlando.

[DiplomaticMagic]

We might be asking for too much from Suggs. We ask him to anchor our defense, play the PG position of which he is getting used to, then with Franz and Paolo out, we now look for him to score efficiently and lead the team to wins. I think it is too much to the point where he’s going to do all of those things inefficiently. We probably need to tell him to go ahead and defense and play PG and have others on the team to step us their offensive game. I don’t know who but we can’t put all that on Jalen.

Yep...

[byeganyo]

Who else is going to take shoots though? And I think black is the future PG. He is going to have his ups and downs but I think the Magic are ok with that since they aren’t contending anytime soon.

Whoever has caught fire. Today it was Mo and tds - try to get them more involved. Get the ball to Jett/Caleb more if they are on the court.

Not contending is a decision that the board can make. 2 years ago we were 22-60, OKC were 24-58. Both teams have moved in the right direction but for some reason no one is saying Oklahoma are not contending anytime soon.

SGA is a top 5 player. That's why they are considered contenders. He's an in-his-prime MVP candidate.

Yes, i noticed him. Yet, with him, 2 seasons ago they were as bad as Orlando.
My question to do-nothing-and-wait people is - how long should we wait?
We have the assets to improve the team this season. We looked like a legitimate 50 wins team before the injuiries and those are not a season ending injuries. It's reasonable to expect Orlando in the playoffs again and then you can not just give up and claim the team is not ready.
I hope Paolo comes back soon and has a great end of the season, so the board start feeling pressure to upgrade the roaster. If Corey Joseph is playing someone is not doing their job.

[RookieStar]

KCP is now shooting 29.1% from deep for the season…

He fits right in with everyone. Truly a team player.

[SHAQ32]

The foul/free throw disparity was a joke. League doesn't even try to hide it.

[thelead]

Whoever has caught fire. Today it was Mo and tds - try to get them more involved. Get the ball to Jett/Caleb more if they are on the court.

Not contending is a decision that the board can make. 2 years ago we were 22-60, OKC were 24-58. Both teams have moved in the right direction but for some reason no one is saying Oklahoma are not contending anytime soon.

SGA is a top 5 player. That's why they are considered contenders. He's an in-his-prime MVP candidate.

Yes, i noticed him. Yet, with him, 2 seasons ago they were as bad as Orlando.
My question to do-nothing-and-wait people is - how long should we wait?
We have the assets to improve the team this season. We looked like a legitimate 50 wins team before the injuiries and those are not a season ending injuries. It's reasonable to expect Orlando in the playoffs again and then you can not just give up and claim the team is not ready.
I hope Paolo comes back soon and has a great end of the season, so the board start feeling pressure to upgrade the roaster. If Corey Joseph is playing someone is not doing their job.

SGA missed 26 games in the 21-22 season and was a subpar 3pt shooter (shot 30% from deep and a subpar 56% TS%). They also didn’t have their next 2 best player because they were drafted the following summer.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/2022.html

That said, I do agree that Weltman should be very aggressive in the trade market to fix/balance the roster.

[thelead]

The foul/free throw disparity was a joke. League doesn't even try to hide it.

They have players that know how to play the system. We have one guy that knows how to do that and he’s injured right now. I don’t think the refs were too bad tonight. Yes, they missed some calls but I also saw our guys drive into the lane and try circus shots instead of dipping their shoulder and creating contact. That’s just the way the game is called unfortunately.

[Rainwater]

I don’t know what team has won a title when all their best players were 22 and under. The closest was OKC with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.

[Rainwater]

Whoever has caught fire. Today it was Mo and tds - try to get them more involved. Get the ball to Jett/Caleb more if they are on the court.

Not contending is a decision that the board can make. 2 years ago we were 22-60, OKC were 24-58. Both teams have moved in the right direction but for some reason no one is saying Oklahoma are not contending anytime soon.

SGA is a top 5 player. That's why they are considered contenders. He's an in-his-prime MVP candidate.

Yes, i noticed him. Yet, with him, 2 seasons ago they were as bad as Orlando.
My question to do-nothing-and-wait people is - how long should we wait?
We have the assets to improve the team this season. We looked like a legitimate 50 wins team before the injuiries and those are not a season ending injuries. It's reasonable to expect Orlando in the playoffs again and then you can not just give up and claim the team is not ready.
I hope Paolo comes back soon and has a great end of the season, so the board start feeling pressure to upgrade the roaster. If Corey Joseph is playing someone is not doing their job.

This team is young and still building. Teams aren’t winning titles when their best players are 22 and under.

[Idiosyncratic]

Whoever has caught fire. Today it was Mo and tds - try to get them more involved. Get the ball to Jett/Caleb more if they are on the court.

Not contending is a decision that the board can make. 2 years ago we were 22-60, OKC were 24-58. Both teams have moved in the right direction but for some reason no one is saying Oklahoma are not contending anytime soon.

SGA is a top 5 player. That's why they are considered contenders. He's an in-his-prime MVP candidate.

Yes, i noticed him. Yet, with him, 2 seasons ago they were as bad as Orlando.
My question to do-nothing-and-wait people is - how long should we wait?
We have the assets to improve the team this season. We looked like a legitimate 50 wins team before the injuiries and those are not a season ending injuries. It's reasonable to expect Orlando in the playoffs again and then you can not just give up and claim the team is not ready.
I hope Paolo comes back soon and has a great end of the season, so the board start feeling pressure to upgrade the roaster. If Corey Joseph is playing someone is not doing their job.

I just want to wait until the offseason. I just don't view this as a title season, I don't think Paolo or Franz are good enough yet. I don't see a non-star out there that puts us on the same level as Boston or OKC, I just don't. So in my personal view anything traded now is one fewer asset we have to trade when Paolo and Franz are good enough to win a title (maybe next year? Probably the year after.)

I understand the other side, but that's just how I feel. The Thunder are just drafting and developing their own guys, they havn't really made a trade to support this core yet outside of the small Caruso trade. They just keep adding a rotation player each draft wherever they pick. I feel like that is the way to do it, especially in the new 2nd apron NBA.

My view is trade for someone who can be a core piece for 2+ years minimum or just stand pact and make two draft picks in a draft that I really like.

[Idiosyncratic]

I don’t know what team has won a title when all their best players were 22 and under. The closest was OKC with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.

Yeah I don't understand why there is so much disconnect on that. It's just so unlikely. There's no need to make kneejerk moves at all. Let them grow, don't waste assets. The goal is a championship, it is not easy, don't make it harder by making shortsighted mistakes.

[ogmagicfan]

these games will be good growing pains for him

he has to learn how to better manage his energy throughout a game. he burns himself out defensively and have no legs for the offensive side of things

if he's our 3rd option of the future, he needs to play better as a 2nd option when we're down either Franz or Paolo. he didnt recently

now he has to develop his 1st option skills & mindset in order to keep us afloat with Paolo & Franz out